Talk:Keening

Etymology
To answer 81.249.77.237 (talk)  (1,941 bytes) (→Etymology:  removed line about "scots gaelic term" - not clear what the "scots gaelic term" is - keening is an English word, does line mean that there is a word like "caoineadh" in scots gaelic?

The Scots Gaelic word is exactly the same as the Irish word, caoineadh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by StrumStrumAndBeHanged (talk • contribs) 21:19, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Is it really a foregone conclusion that the word has no relation to the Hebrew "kinah" for lamentation? See kinnot. Ron Coleman 15:33, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Sound?
The article could really benefit from an audio clip. Some of us have no idea what this sounds like. Unschool 05:56, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Here is one: https://folkways.si.edu/bridget-mullin/caoineadh-na-marbh-caoine-for-the-dead/celtic-world/music/track/smithsonian

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Historic Audio Recordings
I am not sure how to add these in properly, but Tobar An Duelchais is an archive for historic Scottish audio recordings, and there are some about this topic. BlairsTales (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
 * (link) Summary: The contributor recites a verse which was used by paid keening women. |  Track ID: 71933 | Year: 1952
 * (link) Summary: The contributor speaks about keening women. When a MacNeil died, they would lament and praise him, hurling themselves to the ground. She does not know any of the verses they used. Some women were paid for this. Keening was always done by women. |  Track ID: 108648  | Year:  1976
 * (link) Summary: Detailed information about funeral preparations in South Uist. A piper started playing when the corpse was put in the coffin on the day of the funeral. The coffin was always carried clockwise. When the piping stopped a woman would start keening. The contributor names particular pipe tunes that were played. Information about a keening woman in Iochdar. She was paid in cash or in kind. Detailed information about the funeral procession. When somebody died work stopped until after the funeral. Information about the wake and candles in the church. There were candles, a crucifix and holy water beside the corpse in the house. People told stories during the wake and drank tea and alcohol. Sometimes somebody would read the litany for the dead. The rosary was said at particular times. A silver coin was placed in a new grave and it was then blessed by the priest. Everybody knelt as the coffin was lowered. |  Track ID: 39795  | Year:  1958
 * (link) Summary: In days of clan chiefs, women were paid to keen at their funerals. They wailed and beat themselves against the ground and praised him. They followed the coffin to the grave. |  Track ID:  23596 | Year:  1964
 * (link) Summary: A man died on board a ship and he was to be buried ashore. A man followed the funeral party clapping and improvising a keening verse. The ship's captain gave the man £5 after the funeral. The contributor recites the verse. |  Track ID: 39688 | Year:  1958
 * (link) Summary: The contributor has never heard of keening being done in his own time in Uig. If it was done at all it was no longer a practice by his grandfather's time. However, he did hear of a girl from the district who went to a wake in Point, where there were women keening by the side of the bed. Two or three of them took turns lamenting until the funeral took place.  |  Track ID: 44351 | Year:  1965
 * (link) Summary: The contributor speaks of women keening at the funeral of Father Allan MacDonald, and the effect of this on the officiating priest.         |  Track ID: 107946 | Year:  1966
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 * (link) Summary: This tune with vocables was used in a story. It was also said by the contributor to have been used in formal keening for the dead. |  Track ID: 24917 | Year:  1965