Talk:Keith McCready/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 23:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Give this a fresh set of eyes. It needs it. 7-day hold to. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 04:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Copy changes

 * For an American biography, convert to mdy dates.
 * I've made the change via a template.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I found a ref with a useful quote:

Lead

 * From 2003 to 2006, McCready was a contributing writer to InsidePOOL Magazine, and is known for comedically interacting with the audience during matches. This is a weird juxtaposition. These two items don't seem to relate. Also, no comma here.
 * I've reworded to make it a bit clearer these are two topics.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Personal life

 * McCready was born on April 9, 1957 in Elmhurst, Illinois, later moving to Anaheim, California with his brother and father I need a GEOCOMMA and a DATECOMMA here.
 * Fixed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * He initially had to stand on a box to reach the height of the table, and developed his unusual "sidewinder" stroke while still a boy C in S
 * Huh?  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * McCready was suspended from school, "for having too much money". No comma here. Also, is there a citation for this quote?
 * Fixed/added.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * De-capitalize "state"
 * I think Candlish got this one for me. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As a teenager in California, his mentor was an older California player named Cole Dixon, who showed McCready how to survive as a pool player, and was inspired by Rudolf Wanderone who he met as an adolescent. This needs some rewording to not imply that Dixon was inspired by Wanderone. Maybe As a teenager in California, McCready was mentored by Cole Dixon, an older California player who showed McCready how to survive as a pool player, and inspired Rudolf Wanderone, whom he had met as an adolescent.
 * Changed per suggestion.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * McCready acquired the nickname "Keither with the Ether" as a teenager, but was considered an old-school player who was fast and very accurate at the table. How are the former and latter related? Also C in S.
 * I've reworded. Hopefully a bit easier to read.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Today McCready resides in Washington, D.C. and I'd add commas after Today and the GEOCOMMA after D.C.
 * Looks like Stanton got this one for me.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * However, was later given the nickname "Earthquake". Orphaned from the original section. This area looks like it needs a paragraph rewrite
 * Done by Stanton.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * McCready in the later 2000s became a columnist for the Inside Pool magazine. Should this be Inside Pool or InsidePOOL?
 * Mac has changed to InsidePool, which is assume is bang on. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Professional career

 * When McCready was 21 and embarked on competing in professional pool throughout California. Incomplete sentence.
 * Yeah, there wasn't anything there that worked.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * McCready scored his first professional win, in October 1985 drop the comma
 * Dropped.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * At the 5th Sands Regent Open nine-ball tournament in Reno, Nevada, June 3–7, 1987, won by Strickland, Holy comma! Maybe At the 5th Sands Regent Open nine-ball tournament, held in June 1987 in Reno, Nevada, and won by Strickland,
 * Done  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:41, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Sourcing and spot checks

 * Forsyth 2005 is cited twice, once with the ISBN-10 and once with the ISBN-13. Consolidate with the ISBN-13.
 * Removed  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Give each ref a once-over and add missing metadata such as publication title.
 * What makes the blog source [28] reliable?
 * Stanton explains this better than I could below.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Earwig turns up a forum thread where someone copy-pasted an old revision, a content mill, and a birthday site probably copying us. The next highest source has the Diliberto quote.
 * Yeah, reasonably common. I can't see this being anything other than a copy from.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I selected five references for spot checks: 2, 5, 11, 16, 23.


 * 2 (NYT book review): Provides the gaming with dad anecdote.
 * 5: This site is dead (mark appropriately). This does not look verifiable since the archived site didn't save the video. Several refs will need url-status set.
 * I've replaced this with some onepocket.com interviews.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * 11: Uses the Earthquake nickname.
 * 16: AGF on the offline source.
 * 23: Checks out, However, it is [sic] was his high stakes gambling that earned him the lion’s share of his reputation as one of the most feared 9-ball players.. I assume Capelle is a subject matter expert.
 * Indeed.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:57, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Other items

 * The image File:Keith Poster Albany.jpg isn't very...good or useful. They're all libre licensed. Add alt text.
 * Yeah, I mean I guess, but it's a free image. has done some great work uploading images for this.  Lee Vilenski  (talk • contribs) 14:43, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * References are archived

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammi Brie (talk • contribs) 04:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Third-party follow-up comments
I did a minor-editing pass on it (fixed a chronological-order problem, a grammar error, some punctuation pecadilloes, etc.). I think it looks pretty good (maybe biased opinion, as I worked on this article years ago when it was in a rough state :-). In answer to a question above, yes Capelle is a subject-matter expert; probably the best-selling pool instructional author after Robert Byrne (author). To answer the question about the blog source [28]: R.A. Dyer is also a subject-matter expert with multiple relevant non-self-published books under his belt ; but regardless, the material is based on the book Pool Wars by Jay Helfert, which someone could buy and read and cite instead. But Dyer is actually good enough. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)


 * One more item for ... The passage "In December 1998, he was ranked 10th on the men's professional pool tour." is sourced to a newspaper article from 1985. What's the right ref for this? Sammi Brie  (she/her • t • c) 21:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)