Talk:Keith Park/GA1

Claiming... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 14:35, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * GA criteria
 * 1) Well-written: Noting that I've copyedited before and during GAN, prose seems satisfactory.
 * 2) Verifiable with no original research: Well-cited to reliable sources.
 * 3) Broad in its coverage: Appears comprehensive, detailed but not overly so.
 * 4) Neutral: Meets the criteria.
 * 5) Stable: Ditto.
 * 6) Illustrated: Image licensing appears satisfactory.

My only concern remains the discrepancies in his tally of victories in WWI. We have two sources (McGibbon/Goldstone and Rowlands) for a score of 11 victories and 13 damaged but checking the text and sources of his combats it looks like 13 victories, given that "shooting down", "destruction", and "sending down out of control" (OOC) all generally amount to a victory or "kill": Another intriguing complication is his tally as reported by The Aerodrome website. Because The Aerodrome doesn't directly cite sources, it's in no way an RS, but I've generally found its scoresheets accurate, or at the very least a good pointer for further research. It wouldn't surprise me if their data comes from either Above the War Fronts, or the Osprey Bristol F.2 book, or both (you'll note that the 17 August 1917 engagement with Noss as observer, cited in WP to Above the War Fronts, matches The Aerodrome's report). I think we need to put this on hold at least till you can get hold of the Osprey book and see what that says. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:14, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Summary
 * 17 Aug 17: "shooting down a German aircraft and causing the destruction of three others" (Frank et al)
 * 21 Aug 17: "driving one Albatros scout out of control and shooting down another" (Orange)
 * 2 Sep 17: "an Albatros near Diksmuide, seeing it go down out of control" (Orange)
 * 3 Sep 17: "He and his observer shot down Hauptmann Otto Hartmann" (Orange)
 * 5 Sep 17: "Franz Pernet, the stepson of General Erich Ludendorff, was killed by Park and his observer, and this was followed by the destruction of a DFW C.V reconnaissance aircraft" (Orange)
 * 15 Sep 17: "He shot down two more German aircraft" (Orange)
 * 3 Jan 18: "Park was able to send one Albatros out of control" (Orange, Claason)
 * P.S. Per Park talk page discussion, it might actually be Above the Trenches we can use to glean more info, and that might be the source for The Aerodrome after all... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 11:31, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Now that's complete, as recorded on the article talk page, ready to pass as GAN. Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)