Talk:Kekal

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Usage of WP:RS wouold be of help for this article SatuSuro 23:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Has anyone found any reliable source on the web that mentions Kekal being post-metal? Everything I've found traces back to Wikipedia.--3family6 21:04, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found something. Added it as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3family6 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, this source is unreliable, so I removed it.--3family6 (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Christian metal?
Should Kekal be described and/or categorized as Christian metal or not? Here is an interview with HM Magazine, and then see | Wikipedia entry for Christian metal.--3family6 20:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Personal opinion: no, because in the Chronicles of Chaos interview they explain that labeling a band that is outside US or even Europe a 'Christian metal band' is uncommon in the native country. In Indonesia they do not use such terms commonly (although some Kekal members are currently in Canada). I mean, even in US and Europe labeing bands 'Christian metal' is somewhat considered awkward on a larger scale, even though the movement exists for a reason (as a counteraction to the 'satanic' nature of the early 1980s metal) - which is why the main wiki article (Christian metal) exists. Yes, they are mentioned in that article because they were somewhat part of the history and are often mentioned in 'zines (not to mention that Allmusic cites them as possibly one of the first Christian black metal bands). They did state in the CoC intervew that they think it's cool that they are accepted in the Christian metal scene - just wish not to be labeled Christian metal (and their recent lyrics are more about philosophy, existentialism etc.). Let's respect that.--Azure Shrieker (talk) 21:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I personally am neutral on whether they are called that or not. From what I have seen on talk pages about Christian metal, whether or not a band considers themselves "Christian metal" or not is not the only criteria for them being under that category. (I think there's a policy about that type of thing somewhere on the site, but I don't remember where it is.) But as you said, there also is, or at least was, no "Christian metal" category in Indonesia, so I think that would exclude them from that category on Wikipedia.--3family6 18:15, 11 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3family6 (talk • contribs)

Future reworking
I am planning to do another, possibly extensive batch of work on this article and the album pages. Many of the sources here, many of which I added, are not that reliable, and so I plan to rework the article somewhat and remove those sources. If there is some info that needs sourcing, I may talk with the band on its Facebook to get some history and biographical info, if need be. --3family6 00:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3family6 (talk • contribs)
 * Done. I plan to do a section on the band's style and involvement with Christian metal.--3family6 (talk) 02:03, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Done. Kudos to FungiKwaku for the section on songwriting.--3family6 (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

regarding "Christian metal"
In the flurry of edits that have just happened, the band's stance on Christianity has seen a lot of action. The argument being put forward is that this is controversial. I think this controversy should be addressed, but it needs some solid sourcing. Perhaps the whole section should be moved here until sources can be found?--3family6 (talk) 03:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Nice work, FungiKwaku. Everything appears sourced now.--3family6 (talk) 13:11, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Dates format
I have changed Kekal's albums dates to day-month-year format ("30 January 2011") as they previously mixed various date formats; I noticed that this article consistently uses a month-day-year format ("August 15, 1995") in its body, but its references don't have a consistent format. Should I change the format of the albums and of this article references to M-D-Y ("January 30, 2011"), or should I change this article format to D-M-Y ("15 August 1995") in its body and references? Nite-Sirk (talk) 20:09, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Right now, the article body is using American English. I don't know whether this or British English is appropriate for an Indonesian subject article, it would depend on which form is more common in Indonesia. If it is British English, the dates would have to be changed, along with some of the grammar and maybe some spelling. The References should follow the article body.-- &iquest;3fam  ily6  contribs 21:38, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

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