Talk:Kelli Carpenter-O'Donnell

Deletion nom
This article was recently nominated for deletion and was kept by consensus. See Votes for deletion/Kelli Carpenter for the archived discussion -- Francs2000 | Talk 13:03, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

R Family Vacations

 * Given that Kelli, rather than her partner Rosie, is the one primarily responsible for R Family Vacations (she alone is listed as co-founder on its website), which was recently featured in a broadly-marked documentary film, I've made this back into a standalone article.WikiGnome 16:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Surname(s)
This page was nominated to be remove and a consensus was that it would not be deleted. I am asking for a consensus that O'Donnell be removed from Kelli Carpenter-O'Donnell name because as a consensus by society at this time does not recognize same-sex marriage. I am asking for a consensus that it written in this profile "The O'Donnell family resides"  that it be edited to "The O'Donnell - Carpenter Family" takes it's place since the laws do not allow same-sex marriage at this time.

I vote against the consensus on the O'Donnell name removal. I also request that the part about Donald Trump's genitalia be removed, unless someone can provide a reliable source.

I voted to remove "O'Donnell" from Kelli's name sense the LAW DOES NOT ALLOW SAME SEX-MARRIAGE AND THAT SHE HAS NOT HAD HER NAME LEGALLY CHANGED through the court system. I don't think a 'popular vote' changes these facts.
 * Do we know that she hasn't? WikiGnome 13:08, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Stage names are acceptable for Wikipedia articles as well as other names that haven't legally been changed. If she refers to herself as Kelli O'Donnell (which it appears she does) then it wouldn't make sense to remove it from the page.

I disagree. Ms. Carpenter was not adding the name'O'Donnell' because she was using it as a staged name. Here intention on changing her name was because she believe that she was legally married. Which she was not and until the law is changed or that she goes the legal channels to change her name then her name legally has to remain Kelli Carpenter. In addition, liberals have the knack for redefining words in order to pursue their agenda
 * Dude, I said it once and I'll say it again. All other points aside, how do you know she hasn't changed her name legally? Did you ask her?WikiGnome 22:13, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, how do you know she has? Do you wish to make the change on an assumtion? Look, if I may be blunt, liberals have the habit of 'redefining' the meaning of words in order to realign - redirect it to fit their agenda. Until there is proof that she changed it legally, then I would think we should not assume it.

See here ("avery writes: Does everyone in your family have the same last name? yes we r all odonnells ")and here. She does use the last name O'Donnell, as does the family. WikiGnome 12:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Unless you can provide evidence that she has NOT legally changed her name, as gnome pointed out, since she publicly uses the surname O'Donnell it seems more than enough reason to have her name listed as Kelly O'Donnell (born Kelly Carpenter). Since you insist that it not be listed as O'donnell because gay marriage isn't legal, than it should be treated as a stage name.

According to the "Ask Rosie" section on http://www.rosie.com (in a question dated 4/27/07), a user asks if Kelli shares Rosie's last name. Rosie says she does. According to http://www.rfamilyvacations.com/, Kelli's company, her name is listed as Kelli O'Donnell. Proof enough yall. (Wrinehart 00:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC))

Why would what she does or does not do matter so much to you? I dont get it.
 * There is no requirement that only government-authorized, legal names can be used on Wikipedia. There is also no law that prevents someone from changing their name independently of marriage. So the whole same-sex marriage debate would seem to be completely irrelevant to the naming of the article. Credible sources say she uses the last name of O'Donnell; that's good enough. This is Wikipedia, not the passport office. -Stian (talk) 06:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

As Kelli is no longer married to Rosie, and no longer living with Rosie and is, in fact, married to someone else, perhaps it is time to change the name of this article. -ErinHowarth (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Legality of gay marriage
The article first states that their marriage was deemed valid under California law. Later, it states the opposite. My understanding is that marriages performed before the state constitution was changed are valid, but does someone have a CURRENT source either way? -Stian (talk) 06:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Marriages declared Void
If the marriages are void, then they never existed and O'Donnell and Carpenter were never married and were never "wives" to each other, see San Francisco 2004 same-sex weddings.Tstrobaugh (talk) 20:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Born
I'm having trouble understanding what "Vivienne Rose was born November 29, 2002 to Kelli and Rosie through sperm donation." is supposed to convey. "Born" as it is used here is not under the wikipedia entry for Birth, one or the other must be changed.Tstrobaugh (talk) 16:33, 23 February 2010 (UTC)