Talk:Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull

Why no early history?
I'd be interested in finding out her family, religion, schooling etc. I think it would be relevant. Also why she choose to parody the actor Parker Posey's name. 14.200.155.254 (talk) 01:45, 20 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I think it's a spin on Nosey Parker rather than Parker Posey?
 * Not sure her early life etc. is going to be very interesting but you could do some research and see what you turn up. If it's properly sourced it would go into the article. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Disgraceful management of this topic
It is beyond clear that whomever is in charge of managing this page is biased. This page is not informative—it is the pet project of someone who cannot engage with views that oppose their own. This page is why we decided to stop donating to Wikipedia. 71.168.164.239 (talk) 04:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * No one manages this, or any other, page on Wikipedia. It is an agglomeration of contributions from a variety of editors
 * I doubt if any of those editors thinks themselves biased - which is part of the many problems with the way it all works - but until someone comes up with a better way (I can't) this is what we've got to work with. It's not bad overall.
 * One of the basic prinsiples is assuming good faith. People often don't but the 'better' editors try. Keep your money - we will manage without - but if you feel like contributing editorially try and be one of the 'better' editors. Lukewarmbeer (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * unfortunately i agree with this sentiment Sugar, Spice, and XX (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)


 * However calling her "anti trans rights" is very much NPOV. Does she describe herself this way? Is this something that is universally agreed upon? Or just the opinion of some random editor that doesn't like her? 22:46, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Doxxing
It is doxxing to reveal someone's personal information online without their consent. It should be linked as this in the article, if far-left Wikipedia editors care. 92.27.180.7 (talk) 12:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Or alternatively those pesky far-left editors could have just written the sentence in plain English, without needing to use a term that some may not understand. Black Kite (talk) 12:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Links to far-right
Given there is adequate sourcing from reliable sources and that it seems to be one of the main reasons for her notability (at least where I'm from), should we describe Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull as having links to the far-right in the lede? An example would perhaps look like: Current - Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (née Keen; born 1974 or 1975), also known as Posie Parker, is a British [gender-critical and anti–transgender rights activist and the leader of the political party, Party of Women. Updated - Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (née Keen; born 1974 or 1975), also known as Posie Parker, is a British gender-critical, anti–transgender rights activist who has been described as having links to the far-right. Keen-Minshull is the leader of the political party, Party of Women.

Sample sources

TarnishedPathtalk 05:18, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I am not opposed to a short mention, but I would probably suggest expanding on it more in the body as well. Lead feels pretty short in general tbh, though I suppose it is within the guidance of MOS:LEADLENGTH. Maybe it's just that the 2 paragraphs are pretty short ones. E: Just to be clear, I mean both expanding the stuff about links to the far-right in the body and (for the second part of my comment) expanding the other stuff as well in the lead and adding the mention as a part of that. Alpha3031 (t • c) 06:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC) E 06:33, 2 June 2024 (UTC)


 * The first 3 sources set out above are basically PinkNews reporting the Hope not Hate mention. So the fact that there are 3 sources is just repetition – these are not to be treated as independently signifying importance. The 4th source is not accessible to me. The Hope not Hate report is included in the article under ‘Biography’. I don’t see any reason to consider this is important enough to be included in the lead.
 * And if we are to mention the alleged links to the far-right in the lead, we should also mention that K-J K-M has said that she abhors anything to do with Nazis, as stated in the article in the ‘Australia’ section.
 * She has also recently settled a defamation claim against John Pesutto concerning the alleged association with Nazis. I don’t think this is important enough to be mentioned in the lead, but I think it goes against the idea that links to the far-right are one of the main reasons for her notability.
 * Sweet6970 (talk) 14:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree
 * Lukewarmbeer (talk) 17:45, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd add, "She is unequivocally a Neo-Nazi based on the presence of Neo-Nazis at her speeches and the fact that they tend to agree with her values overall. 109.152.82.120 (talk) 13:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
 * We don't have Reliable Sources to support that but I'm sure that future historical writing will note that she was generally unconcerned by the regular presence of neo-Nazis at her events and, if/when they do, we can mention that in the article. in the meantime, we need to focus on what Reliable Sources say about her. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The sources contradict any suggestion that K-J K-M was ‘unconcerned’ about the presence of Neo-Nazis at her rallies. As stated in the article:… Keen-Minshull said "They're absolutely not associated with me whatsoever. I absolutely abhor anything to do with Nazis." and it is bizarre to suggest that the Nazis supported women’s rights. Also, as stated in the article, she has recently settled a defamation case against John Pesutto, who issued an apology in which he said that he had never intended to assert that Keen-Minshull was a Neo-Nazi.
 * And you both need to read WP:BLP. Sweet6970 (talk) 12:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Scotland rally photo
The deep-frying of the photo captioned "Keen-Minshull at a Scotland rally, 2023" is painful to see, I took the original and it can be found here: https://x.com/invalide___/status/1622540190769184768/photo/1. It was in Glasgow specifically, if you'd like to say that instead of 'Scotland'? Xx.invalide.xX (talk) 18:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I came here to say exactly this. The photo is doctored and has no business being published on this page. IAmBecomeDeath (talk) 02:59, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have deleted the photo. Sweet6970 (talk) 13:03, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, feel free to use the undoctored image I've linked to above. It's one which adds depth to the article by informing on the kinds of people she attracts, contrary to the persona she has crafted for herself. Xx.invalide.xX (talk) 16:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)