Talk:Kelly Clarkson/GA2

GA Review
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Hi all. I will be reviewing this article soon. A first look pointed out a number of discrepancies. I'll point them out soon. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 05:52, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Review List

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose):
 * Prose is quite weak I must say. WP:UNDUE weightage is being given on the movie appearances in the lead which in no way is encompassing the article. See other points below.
 * I added a paragraph about the movie to the AI section. - Maria202 (talk) 17:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * b (MoS):
 * The whole structure doesnot comply with a BLP. If you are writing a biography then, set aside what can and cannot be added. See below.
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references):
 * How is using sources like top-40 and last.fm reliable in any way?
 * b (citations to reliable sources):
 * As i can see, hardly any of the references use WP:Cite web template and many of them fail WP:RS. I advice to go through articles like Madonna, Janet Jackson, Kylie Minogue and Michael Jackson to understand about the sources that can be used.
 * c (OR):
 * Additions are all cited but there are many instances of unreliable sources to cite them. Hence failing its no-original research claim.
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects):
 * Tends to be undue weightaged from the section on Breakaway and especially the section on My December
 * b (focused):
 * See above.
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * The only other part alongside the images and edit warring which I found acceptable.
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): {{GAList/check|{{y}} b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Pointers

 * 1) Change the format and adhere to a BLP one. Check Janet Jackson, Madonna (entertainer).
 * 2) Here's the thing. I'm suggesting a definite structure for the BLP. It follows like,
 * 3) ;1982-2001; Early life and education
 * 4) ;2002-2004; American Idol, World Idol and Thankful
 * 5) ;2005-2006; Breakaway and television appearances
 * 6) ;2007-present; My December and All I Ever Wanted
 * 7) Also, merge the country music and other appearances in the main biography. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 03:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge is done Maria202 (talk) 21:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * What I meant was merge them as part of the flowing prose. Again a separate ; for country music is not necessary. Her appearance in country related platformas are all a part of her main career. --Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 05:05, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Remove the table at the middle to the end. Breaks the flow.
 * Done - Maria202 (talk) 16:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Merge other appearances in the main flow. Why is it added separately?
 * I've no idea why it was added separately. Merge is done. Maria202 (talk) 21:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) Tone down the details about the albums and singles. It way passes the WP:UNDUE borderline.
 * 2) Format the references using WP:Cite web and WP:Cite news templates.
 * 3) Check for WP:MoS. Refrain from using # for the chart peaks. Make it words.


 * I have placed the article on hold for seven days. Ping me if changes are made within this time or if you need any other clarifications. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 08:16, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Its been over seven days but I see no progress to upgrade the article, nothing is being done to eliminate the discrepancies. So I'm afraid I have to fail the article. --Legolas  ( talk 2 me ) 04:35, 2 September 2009 (UTC)