Talk:Kelsey Asbille

Move to Kelsey Asbille
There's no good source for this yet, but she's changed her stage name to Kelsey Asbille. On her IMDb she she is listed that way IMDb and it mentions "(as Kelsey Chow)" for every role up to Teen Wolf in 2016, her latest five roles on their own IMDb pages all say Kelsey Asbille in their casts. Also, mentioned on tangents in this thread on reddit (expand the negative voted one on the bottom), this comment section about her being Native American enough: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/106964194.html, and justjaredjr.com/tags/kelsey-chow/ "Kelsey Asbille (you may know her as Kelsey Chow) is still in college." All that I came up with searching for references to her name change. It just happened, it appears, without press release. Every site tends to mention her as Kelsey Chow or as Kelsey Asbille with the former being throughout her career and currently and the latter only being quite recently. She uses Asbille herself on social media and to pen and publish puff-pieces, see: http://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a10235205/kelsey-asbille-college-interview/. Will move the page in a week if no objections. JesseRafe (talk) 17:42, 9 August 2017 (UTC)


 * Oppose I think we need to wait and see how this sorts out. As of now, none of the above are WP:RS sources. I think including the full form of her name, as it is now, is best until there is a WP:RS source for an official name change. BTW, anyone can edit IMDb. See below for the fact she is not Native. For now, the page should stay where it is. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 21:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
 * For now, I've made Kelsey Asbille a redirect to this article (as of this moment, Kelsey Chow). If she settles on Kelsey Asbille Chow, we may well wind up moving the article there, instead. There's no deadline. However, now that she has used Asbille for two films and Chow on all the others, someone needs to go through and indicate which name she used on which projects. While the article is still at Chow, all that needs to be indicated is that she's used Asbille for Yellowstone and Wind River. But if she goes through with the name change, and if the page name changes, all the past credits will need to be annotated. I suggest it be done by whoever wants to move the page. :) -  Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 18:54, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

The page was moved against consensus, with no new sources being added. I have reverted unless and until that situation changes. For all the reasons cited here on talk. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 20:30, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Can this please be changed to reflect "Kelsey Asbille"? Sources above are multiple years old and all recent IMDb credits reflect the name "Asbille".

See: https://www.paramountnetwork.com/press/paramount-networks-yellowstone-season-three-premiere-delivers-record-ratings-and-increases-127-from-season-two/ https://www.paramountnetwork.com/press/paramount-network-announces-highly-anticipated-premiere-date-for-season-three-of-yellowstone-televisions-most-watched-summer-series-returns-fathers-day-on-a-new-night-sunday-june-2/

The original bio that credits this name isn't even active anymore kelseychow.com Rachel.villegas (talk) 21:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Claims of Cherokee heritage
Kelsey is not cherokee according to this article http://www.pechanga.net/content/eastern-band-cherokee-indians-says-wind-river-and-yellowstone-actress-not-enrolled-nor-desce — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seychelle123 (talk • contribs)


 * Agreed. The tribe she claimed to be from has issued an official statement that she is not a member or even a descendant:

In a recent article entitled “What’s So Hard About Casting Indian Actors in Indian Roles?” published by The New York Times, it stated that “Kelsey Asbille, who plays Natalie, the young Indian woman who is raped and murdered in “Wind River,” is of Taiwanese, British and Eastern Band Cherokee descent.”

There is an increased outcry from the Native community and society at large concerning whitewashing and cultural appropriation in media and the motion picture industry. To the public’s knowledge, Ms. Asbille (Chow) had not claimed Native ancestry until Wind River. No proof was offered by Kelsey, her representatives, directors or producers to verify her claim of Native heritage, either.

As a result, Native American actor and producer Sonny Skyhawk, who is Sicangu Lakota and founder of American Indians in Film & Television, a National advocacy organization that monitors the image and portrayal of the Native Nations of America, put forth an inquiry with the Eastern Band of Cherokee as to the validity of Kelsey’s claim.

"The only legally recognized entity that can prove and declare one’s Native identity is the tribal nation that anyone claims,” Mr. Skyhawk states.

The Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, a federally recognized tribe, responded by denying her tribal membership and descendancy.

''“The enrollment and descendant records of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians have been searched for the aforementioned person. Kelsey Asbille (Chow) is not now nor has she ever been an enrolled member of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians. No documentation was found in our records to support any claim that she descends from the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians.”'' -Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians Enrollment Specialist

This letter of denial from the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians bears the official tribal seal.

Not only is it the responsibility of the actors and actresses who claim Native heritage to communicate proof of Native lineage, but producers and directors as well. This should stay on the talk page as long as there is any controversy about her status, and be noted in the the article in some form if the claim is made again or becomes an issue in the edits. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 21:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Due to the driveby IP disruption & refusal to engage on talk I've semi-ed this for a month. Other admins, feel free to review, as I've done some minor edits here. - Co rb ie V    ☊ ☼ 20:05, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

As the identical, persistent, IP disruption resumed as soon as the "semi-protected" template was removed from the page, I've semi-ed this again, this time for three months. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 23:29, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 10 January 2020
Kelsey Chow → Kelsey Asbille – WP:COMMONNAME. Had begun taking on more high profile projects, with the Asbille surname. Rusted AutoParts 04:33, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 August 2020
Title: Change "Kelsey Chow to Kelsey Asbille" because this is the name in which she self-identifies and uses in her public life.

Intro: Change "Kelsey Asbille Chow (born September 9, 1991) to Kelsey Asbill Chow (born September 9, 1991)" because there is no *e* in the legal spelling of Asbill.

Intro: Change "She is known for her role as Mikayla in the Disney XD sitcom Pair of Kings. From 2005 to 2009, she had a recurring role as Gigi Silveri on the drama One Tree Hill. She portrayed Tracy Stewart in MTV's Teen Wolf from 2015–2016 to She is known for her role as Monica Dutton in the Paramount Network series Yellowstone." because this is her most recent and her most well known work. CharlieBrown1960 (talk) 22:53, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It seems that you would like to change the name of this article. In order to do so, I think it will be necessary for you to start a move discussion. In addition, you do not cite any sources. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 15:45, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * Kelsey Chow, 2011 (cropped).jpg

Requested move 18 February 2021
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  04:47, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Kelsey Chow → Kelsey Asbille – As previous requests have suggested, she now uses Kelsey Asbille. This is her WP:COMMONNAME. This is obvious from recent fashion and entertainment industry publications, including coverage related to her current role on Yellowstone: Thanks, Aranya (talk) 23:36, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * WWD (June 2018), Marie Claire (July 2018)
 * Screen Rant (June 2019), Flaunt (July 2019), Vogue (August 2019)
 * Deadline (Jan 2020), V magazine (Feb 2020), Cosmopolitan (April 2020), InStyle (June 2020), Salt Lake Tribune (July 2020), NBC Chicago (Nov 2020)
 * Deadline (Feb 2021), PopCulture.com (Feb 2021)
 * Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 05:15, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

If I had seen this I would have opposed. I am not certain she's changed her name. I'll look into it further, but we may wind up wanting to move this back. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 23:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

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 * Kelsey Chow, 2011 (cropped).jpg

Perennial for low-level IP disruption
Not a flurry or emergency, but this makes me wonder if we should semi the article. I also edit here so asking what others think. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 17:09, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Possible sources

 * www.wmagazine.com/story/kelsey-asbille-yellowstone
 * Note, this should not be used to source a statement like "Asbille claimed to have a Cherokee identity". The phrase "Cherokee identity" only appears in title ("Yellowstone Star Kelsey Asbille Grows Into Her Cherokee Identity Onscreen") and is not attributed to Asbille herself. See WP:BLP, which requires a particularly high level of care in sourcing articles like this one. --Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 16:53, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * It can still be used for Asbille's claim to have "Native heritage".
 * The editors didn't come up with the "Cherokee identity" claim themselves. But yes, that phrase is not a direct quote from Asbille in the text they chose to publish; so I've altered the text in the article and put the cite back in for the vaguer heritage claim. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 22:20, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 👍 --Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 07:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
 * 👍 --Middle 8 (s)talk • privacy 07:52, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Name changes and inconsistencies
I don't think we should go back and retcon her name in this. If she was going by Chow for that project, and is called that in the cited source, I don't think we should change that text to "Asbille". Has she done a legal name change? Whether or not, if the source says "Chow", I don't thing there's any reason to change the text to a name that's not in the source, so I have reverted it. Similarly, the photo is from when she used her surname, not her middle name. - CorbieVreccan  ☊ ☼ 21:00, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Taiwanese heritage
If she's of Taiwanese heritage, why does this Wikipedia article refer to her as "Chinese"? That's not very encyclopedic. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 03:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)