Talk:Kemah Bob

Pronounce and Gender
I added the gender as sexuality can be confused with gender especially after the word “identify” used twice to describe two different aspects. As for the reference for the pronouns because it is can be disputed as per MOS:CITELEAD .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:15, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * It links to the pansexual article, so where would the confusion be? The sentence before directly deals with her identifying as a woman, so there's no need to repeat it.
 * Her pronouns are not challengeable information. Other articles with a similar note in the lead don't cite there, such as the article for Jack Monroe. 84.92.90.18 (talk) 16:25, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I am on the side of offering clarification is if it’s not needed (although in this case it’s needed) and I don’t think it deducts anything from the article to be extra clear. I have added the “a” as requested.
 * As for referencing the ledes it’s done as per the policy I have referenced above. I it was a point that I initially disputed as it’s for us to chose the pronounce if some is using She/They. You need early on to tell the reader why did you select one and not the other
 * if you think we need a third opinion or you are not convinced please let me know so we can consult Dispute resolution FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I absolutely do think a third opinion is required. 84.92.90.18 (talk) 17:31, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @Gerda Arendt I wonder if you can weigh in. The disagreement is about adding a reference to the note in the lede about the use of She instead of they as a pronoun
 * 2nd dispute is about including the gender after the sexual identity both of our arguments are outlined above FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:41, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * @TompaDompa I wonder if you can weigh in. The disagreement is about adding a reference to the note in the lede about the use of She instead of they as a pronoun
 * 2nd dispute is about including the gender after the sexual identity both of our arguments are outlined above FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:40, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Edits concerning pronouns and identity
@FuzzyMagma has made edits that mention "woman" after pansexual, despite the previous sentences mentioning that she identifies as a woman. It is not usual in articles to do this, and it is entirely usual to have a statement of sexuality that is separate from a statement of gender identity.

In addition, there is a source in place for her preferred pronouns in the article. There is no need to source this again (with a different source, for some reason) in the lead. It is entirely usual, as indicated in the Manual of Style, to have sources within the article and not in the lead. This is the case in other similar comedian articles, such as for Bob Mortimer. At the very least, there is no need to duplicate these references, and the place where this is most relevant is in the article itself, and not in the notes section.

On an unrelated note, I see that in previous edits, references to her being queer have been removed, as it is from a social media source. However, I believe it is entirely usual to use primary sources in this case, as is the case in the article for David Morgan. One can identify as both pansexual and queer, so it may well be worth including both (with the relevant sources) in the article. 84.92.90.18 (talk) 16:19, 9 March 2023 (UTC)


 * For the last part, tag/ping who removed it FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)