Talk:Ken Griffey Jr./Archive 1

Not Done Yet
Why no mention of his son-father back-to-back homers? That was one of the more noteworthy things I've ever seen.

He's aging, but not finished yet. Check his numbers for 2005 compared to the prior few years. With the use of steroids by his peers, he'll be in the spotlight again as the real deal.

Ken's Klubhouse
Is that his official site? It doesn't say so. Just wonderin'. But kengriffey.com and kengriffeyjr.com aren't... -Wikitoddia 02:05, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Hagiography?
I like Junior and think he has earned his accolades. Nonetheless much of the tone of this article feels a bit too informal ("Griff"?). I was considering nominating the article for cleanup, but I think would prefer first another set of eyes to give their opinion. Thanks. - Fractalchez 16:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I used different names because using the same terms again and again becomes a bit redundant and sounds as though one has a limited vocabulary. And I don't think this is a hagiography by any means. No more than any other athlete's Wiki entry is. If it's a bit informal, well, it's only because this is Wikipedia and I thought there was a bit of leeway on tone. But if others think it should be more formal, that's fine. -Wikitoddia 22:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Tell you what: if a third opinion agrees with this I'll speak of it no more. It was only a general sense I got, and nothing so big that I'm not willing to be the minority vote; but otherwise I wouldn't mind lending a hand on it if someone else agrees the article could use it. - Fractalchez 16:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is in desperate need of cleanup. Franklin Bynum 01:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Defense
I know Griffey's always been considered a god in center field, but the statement "his defense in center field breeched no rivals during that decade" has been shown to be false. Research has been done (I'll provide the link in a second) that shows that Griffey wasn't the best center fielder of the decade, at least in the American League. Devon White has a very good argument, and is at least a rival.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/defense_over_the_last_twenty_years_part_five_al_outfield/

Caspian88 21:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree that the statement is a bit over the top, however during the 90's Griffey won a gold glove in CF EVERY year (10 of them) while Devon White (playing the same position) won only 5 during the same time frame. The comparison of White vs Griffey is not a good one. Griffey was hands down much better.

12.104.56.2 (talk) 18:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

High School statistic
SportsCenter just reported that Ken Griffey jr. never struck out in high school. How would you cite this? //Tecmobowl 02:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
Definitely in need of cleanup. Way too much information about Griffey's first game back in Seattle. Maxheritage 18:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, and we certainly don't need to know about every home run he hits and who is pitching etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.165.189.69 (talk • contribs)

"Griffey" redirect
Griffey redirects to junior's page, without a mention of senior. Either "Griffey" should be a disambiguation page with links to the two, or junior's page should have a "This article is about the son, for the father, see...." notation at the very top.

Jersey Number
I have had to change his jersey number to 3 two different times. It was listed as 30 which it was in the past. But in the 2006 season he changed it over to number 3 to represent his three children. Even though the picture shows him wearing the number 30. He hasn't wore that number since the 2005 season. It even states in the wiki article not by me that he changed his number before the 2006 season to 3.

Along with his Jersey numbers, he chose the number 17 with the Chicago White Sox because it was his 17th season in the majors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeaux24 (talk • contribs) 06:52, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

POV and references
This article strikes me as a little too adulatory of Griffey. That's not to say he's not a good baseball player or whatever, but the article really needs a more neutral tone. In addition, some of the more over-the-top statements need references if they're going to stand (the whole thing needs references, really). For example: "While with the Mariners, Griffey established himself as baseball's premier player. During the 1990s, Griffey was considered one of the best players of all time. Before injuries cut into his production, he was a top run producer and the best center fielder in the big leagues."

With no references, it sounds like it could've been written by Griffey himself. Cheers! Esrever (klaT) 02:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Err, agreed, but the "ref needed" tagging went to far. The guy got a gold glove in every year written 199X - that's wide recognition he was an elite defensive play (I'm not sure if it's true, but it was certainly widely believed to be the case). Mr Lemon (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

ken griffey jr
ken griffey jr is nnot an ameriacn icon that alot of little people can look up to yes,he is good at baseball but can he help the little people to help, give, and care for others. i didt read not one thing that he did for another person. he need to be pput down for the most un noticed player.§ jazmine hunter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.207.85.124 (talk) 03:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

speak english first and then maybe someone will listen to you 74.242.238.171 (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

yeah, I can't say I know where this guy's going with this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.212.67.76 (talk) 02:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Youth and early career
I edited the "baseball's premier player" reference to "one of the most prolific and exciting players of the era", citing selected stats from '89 to '90. I came to these totals by visiting Junior's page on baseball reference dot com. Anyone is welcome to double-check the math. I hope this edit tips the scale back in favor of neutrality. While Griffey is one of my favorite players, there is no evidence to support ANYTHING such as "premier player". Benjammin2u (talk) 06:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Tenure
i cleaned up this article a lot.. some really poor grammar, clearly biased statements, and unnecessary filler was taken out.. i also added a personal section with something that was totally out of place, and added his record breaking 1702nd RBI. i'm not sure if it's 1703 or 1702, because on the espn article it says 1702, but reggie jackson hit 1702, so it might actually be 1703.. i'm not sure... can someone confirm this for certain? Enjoisktboarding2 (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Accomplishments
The page should mention that he holds the record for consecutive games with a homerun (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_5_61/ai_84542689). I remember this being a pretty big deal when it happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.9.25 (talk) 04:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Picture
I think it's pretty clear that history will remember Griffey as a Mariner. He will probably end his career in Seattle, and will almost certainly enter the Hall of Fame as a Mariner. Wouldn't it be appropriate for his Wikipedia picture to follow suit? (though I could also see this waiting until after he has finished his career or left the Reds). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sage Joch (talk • contribs) 05:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't change it yet. He still plays for the Reds. After his career is over and he enters the hall as a Mariner, then the picture should change appropriately. However, as he's still a Red, the picture should remain. RiSK (talk) 01:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * My opinion is the best picture available should be used. —Wknight94 (talk) 02:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Mariners to Reds Trade
I believe Brett TOMKO was the right-handed pitcher in this trade, not Brett WALLACE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.96.14 (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Possible White Sox Trade
It is NOT a done deal yet, so don't jump the gun. --Reezy (talk) 13:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I've edited this. Griffey is still a Red for now. People should stop editing things before deals happen. - Hendrixx13 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hendrixx13 (talk • contribs) 13:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed.the article is fine in it's current state until Griffy actually agrees. --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  13:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Griffey has agreed, but (my mistake), its still awaiting commissioner approval. Teemu08 (talk) 15:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I have protected the page as the locus of an edit war introducing speculative information. Hopefully after a few hours the edit war will die down. (ESkog)(Talk) 15:57, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

On July 31, 2008, Ken was traded to the Chicago White Sox for pitcher Nick Masset and minor league infielder Danny Richar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.192.81.14 (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Protected for longer. All parties involved need to read WP:3RR. If you think you are exempt because you are reverting vandalism, you should also read WP:VAND until you understand that is not the case. (ESkog)(Talk) 18:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Its a done deal, time to make the edit... Hsox05 (talk) 19:38, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright Wikinazis, the deal IS DONE http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080731&content_id=3230331&vkey=trade2008&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb either make the edit or take of the protection.

Yeah i agree. Eieter make the change or let people edit it. Its official. Rwhollywoodfan (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The Sauce, straight from AP --   StarScream1007  ►Talk  19:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I have already filed-for unprotection at WP:RUP. Wait for it, or trace down an online admin and ask them directly . --  StarScream1007  ►Talk  20:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Jersey #
Please stop changing his # to 17. The team originally announced that he would wear #17. However, they later announced that Nick Swisher would change to #1 and Griffey was taking #30. Yahoo sports did not make that update yet. See the official Whitesox.com roster page. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 17:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And here's the article about the number switch. JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 17:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well... new news... Griffey didn't let Swisher change

Fans who avidly followed Griffey in his first years as a Mariner know that he picked #24 because it was the number Rickey Henderson wore, not Willie Mays. This was mentioned in local radio and TV broadcasts and is cited in a Seattle Times article 71.233.237.69 (talk) 12:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Career Stats 08
I suggest that Griffey's stats for Cincinnati and Chicago be listed separately so there would be two entries for 2008. It would make the format look much better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.153.92 (talk) 19:08, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Rockies
I Heard He Was Signed By Colorado So I Changed His Page


 * The changes were reverted because there were no reliable sources to support them.--JayJasper (talk) 20:35, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I Know Ken Griffey Jr He Told Me That He Signed With Colorado
 * Sorry, Original research is not reliable sourcing.--JayJasper (talk) 20:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Trust Me Griff Told Me Im His Dad Ken Sr


 * Free agency hasn't started yet. He can't sign with anyone. ccwaters (talk) 20:43, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

But At Least Change It So That Hes A Free Agent Heres A Source Of That http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3669977

Nobody announced anything... it's a report... and unless a player is actually released, he can't become a free agent until after the world series (this is an official process) JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 21:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Remember that Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.--JayJasper (talk) 15:32, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Trey
Since his father and grandfather are/were major-leaguers (and the fact Trey is apparently quite an athlete for his age, in his own right), I think this small section is warranted for Trey. (Besides, how often do newborns get sent contracts? ;))

I don't see any references as to the contract. If he's not notable enough to have his on article, than he's not notable enough to have complete section here. ccwaters (talk) 17:57, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Griffey has signed with the Braves. Or is it the Mariners?
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/stories/2009/02/17/braves_griffey.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

Lake Buena Vista, Fla. — Ken Griffey Jr. has chosen to sign with the Braves, according to a person close to the veteran star and familiar with the on-going negotiations. Griffey and Braves general manager Frank Wren met Monday night in Orlando. Wren and Griffey’s agent were scheduled to meet today in an effort to finalize a deal.

So somebody needs to change his stuff —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.6.213.240 (talk) 17:58, 17 February 2009 (UTC)


 * "Negotiations still on-going, both sides working to finalize deal" JustSomeRandomGuy32 (talk) 18:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I think we should wait until both sides have signed and it is considered official especially with how many times the Braves have been burned this off-season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.55.140.66 (talk) 21:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

actually, he has not signed with the Braves: http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090217&content_id=3839426&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea

As of Tuesday afternoon, Griffey was huddled with his wife, Melissa, and Goldberg.

Earlier Tuesday, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that Griffey told a close friend that he had chosen the Braves over the Mariners.

Griffey said he heard about the story and sent a text message to Zduriencik and Mariners CEO Howard Lincoln. Armstrong also received a call while at Sea-Tac Airport from Griffey and was informed that a decision had not yet been made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.119.151.26 (talk) 02:15, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

This much more reliable source from ESPN says he is going to Seattle. - Rockyobody (talk) 01:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

The Seattle Mariners official MLB team website has now confirmed he has signed with the Mariners. The controversy over this is now over. He's a Mariner. - Ethanwa (talk)


 * The website only states that Griffey chooses the Mariners - there's no indication that any contract has been signed yet. Please wait for an official confirmation per WP:CRYSTAL. --Madchester (talk) 02:20, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Official websites never speculate because they are owned by the team. If they say he chose them, it's a done deal. - Rockyobody (talk) 02:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, read the disclaimer at the bottom of every MLB.com article: This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs. Again, wait for fuller details of the signing to be published per WP:CRYSTAL.  Thanks. --Madchester (talk) 02:32, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If it helps, this article by the Associated Press describes the conditions of his contract with the Mariners. I found it here. 216.227.107.102 (talk) 03:23, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * And like I said before, it's over. There are quotes all around the news outlets from the GM, Manager, Griffey's agent, etc about having Griffey on board with the Mariners. The contract has been signed, and that is confirmed it's just the full details just haven't been made public yet, that's all. - Ethanwa (talk)

Junior return to Seattle
One moment ago, the Seattle Mariners signed Ken Griffey Jr., if you don't believe it, copay and paste this webpage: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090218&content_id=3846072&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.241.39.133 (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Whoever deleted his number is an idiot. He is number 24 and it even lists it on the official mariners page: Tboy206 (talk) 15:13, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

No way is that a free image
Considering it was just uploaded, I found it here after about five seconds, and I generally doubt that anyone has pictures from more than ten years ago that they're waiting to upload at a moment's notice. We won't have a free image of him in a Mariners jersey for a few days at the absolute least, which is okay. No need to go grabbing something from Google. Don't fall asleep zzzzzz 05:35, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

what position does he play now?
I actually came to this page to see what position Griffey is playing for the Mariners...is he still an outfielder, a DH, or..? Would be nice to update the article accordingly. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.97.239 (talk) 05:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

birthday
griffey does not share the same b-day as ron jeremy its supposed to be stan the man musial —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.12.199.23 (talk) 07:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

picture
Why are we using a bad image of him in the infobox when there are two better ones within the article? Granted, both are from previous teams, but what is more important, a good image or his current uniform? 216.163.247.1 (talk) 13:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I put the White Sox picture back in the infobox. I think that's the best picture of him we have. 216.163.246.1 (talk) 18:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't it be current or at least with the Mariners? User:Halvorsen brian (talk) 22:06, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Sweet Swing
KGJ's Sweet Swing is often mentioned by baseball folk. Maybe someone can find a way to add it in properly to this article. I know many have said that he has a "perfect" swing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.171.147 (talk) 06:29, 29 August 2009 (UTC)