Talk:Ken Hutcherson

Wikify
Would someone please wikify the last section about the FBI investigation?

Bias
This article is incredibly pro-gay biased. By calling the issue "gay rights" you are insinuating it's a right, a more neutral term should be used such as "gay civil issues". The quotes that were picked out were also very selective to deliberately make him look bad...wikipedia should have higher standards than this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.219.162.45 (talk) 02:19, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Aside from a football career of minor significance, Ken's only claim to notability is his hatred of gay people. Why don't you edit the article yourself if you feel that it's biased? PenguinJockey (talk) 20:54, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Clearly this "biography" of Ken Hutcherson is biased. As head pastor of a large church, Ken has certainly done more in his life than speak out against homosexuals. Any quotes from the biased "source" The Stranger should be deleted. And as though a very important, leading individual of the gay community, The Gay Curmudgeon, can write or edit something without a slant. Of course ultimately, the fact that anyone can write and edit Wikipedia articles makes it so it will never be a legitimate source, period. Icemaidn68 (talk) 05:25, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Readers here (you) may be interested to know that another claim to fame with NFL great Hutcherson is that before each Superbowl (on Friday, like today) Ken Hutcherson spends 30 minutes with Rush Limbaugh and millions of listeners (like me) to discuss whatever they choose to discuss. He mentions his new book, Hope is Contagious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles Edwin Shipp (talk • contribs) 02:11, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

Charles, no one cares. The guy is more well known for his anti-gay activities than for his football career. Try and spin that any way you want, its not going to work. He's a bigot. And just so you know, calling someone who says or does bigoted things 'a bigot' isn’t censorious, it’s descriptively accurate, like calling a bad movie 'a bad movie', even if the bigot didn’t intend to come off as bigoted and the movie didn’t intend to come off as bad." He probably shit his pants when Washington voted yes on gay marriage two weeks ago. --76.105.145.143 (talk) 01:31, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Added Quotes
I've added a number of quotes from various sources, the vast majority of them are from either major television or print news sources and are cited appropriately. However there are a few sources that I'm not sure are acceptable for some of the quotes. For example, there is a source that is a blog that monitors talk radio. The only reason that I included them is that I was at the event and had the same quotes in my notes. However, based on the reliable sources and no original research dictums I'm concerned that they need to be removed.

I'd appreciate advice from more experienced hands on this. GayCurmudgeon 22:50, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Blogs are usually opinion and commentary and, thus, do not count as a valid source. However, if you can cite the radio program itself, then that would be a valid source. And by the way, you are doing a bang-up job with these revisions. Thanks for cleaning up the article and keeping things current. TechBear 03:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * To revisit the quotes section in the article.... There is a flag saying that the article has too many quotes. I'm inclined to agree. The quotes are interesting but do not really add any value to the article. Unless there is some dissent, I will remove the entire section in five days. TechBear (talk) 21:53, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Regarding moving the quotations, are they going to be moved over to WikiQuote or deleted outright? I spent beaucoup time cleaning the quotes up and adding to them  so I'd like to preserve the work somewhere.GayCurmudgeon (talk) 23:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added a new section on Shareholder Advocacy to capture the latest developments, and fixed 3 or 4 missing citations that had been flagged in the rest of the article. Is there a specific way to cite a recording or a reference to an MP3 file when there is no trusted transcript or other text source? GayCurmudgeon (talk) 23:09, 15 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, move the quotes to their own article and link to them. -Knowl &lt;(Go to my user page to play WIKI RP! Its FUN and educational!) (talk) 11:16, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Gay Rights as a Civil Rights movement
This section opened with "As an African American...". I changed this because it assumes that all African-Americans are opposed to equal rights (such as marriage) for gays and lesbians -- which isn't true. Hutcherson plays his African-Americanism as an angle in opposing civil rights, but blacks are not inherently opposed to civil rights for gays. I speak from experience because I am black. Mirror Ball

In the news again
Just making a note for other editors or myself when I have the time: Conservative pastor urges buying Microsoft stock to fight its gay rights efforts - http://seattlepi.com/business/346431_antiochmsft08.html Note how this negates his previous quests to boycott Microsoft and get everyone to sell their shares, thus devaluing the stock. TechBear (talk) 17:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Bot report : Found duplicate references !
In the last revision I edited, I found duplicate named references, i.e. references sharing the same name, but not having the same content. Please check them, as I am not able to fix them automatically :)
 * "msnbc" :
 * 'Scarborough Country', May 3 2005


 * “I feel it’s been kind of a stressful day. I feel that it was wrong for the company to say that they will be supporting issues such as this. Businesses should not be publicly making a stance on that, regardless of their internal policies.”
 * Commenting on the Microsoft decision in May 2005 to reinstate its support for anti-discrimination legislation in the next legislative session.


 * "I don't think. I know. If I got God on my side, what's a Microsoft? What's a Microsoft? It's nothing."
 * Responding to a question from reporter Sarah Kershaw asking if he believed that he had been solely responsible for changing Microsoft’s position on anti-discrimination legislation.

DumZiBoT (talk) 14:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "I told them I was going to give them something to be afraid of Christians about."
 * Relating how he threatened Microsoft officials with a national boycott of its products over the company's support of an anti-discrimination bill in Washington State. The New York Times > National > Microsoft Comes Under Fire for Reversal on Gay Rights Bill

Support to Rush Limbaugh -- relevant to this article?
I don't see how this new section is relevant to the article, as the text focuses primarily on Limbaugh and not Hutcherson. I don't want to delete it, though, until there is some feedback. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 21:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I added this to the article to show that Hutcherson's conservative views weren't just limited to the gay marriage debate. This is really the first conservative debate that he's been apart of outside of gay marriage. He's been very vocal on this issue -more than any other NFL player or alumnus. That's why I included it.--Pennsylvania Penguin (talk) 13:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * First, the section reads as an exoneration of Limbaugh and does not fit in with the rest of the article. Second, there is no indication as to how Hutcherson's comments or actions are relevant, much less worthy of special note. Hutcherson made a name for himself because of his public, vocal and sometimes outrageous opposition to gay rights, which is why even his career in the NFL gets a bare two sentences. The material you added just does not fit. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 14:27, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Many people would disagree; The Hutch made his name as the NFL great who talks to Rush before each Superbowl, and who cares about most of the rest.  Of course, there was his great career and his current church work, but that also is eclipsed by talking to millions each year — his 15 minutes of fame, (each year). Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 06:15, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
 * And his anti-gay campaigning. Gotta love how this LDS keeps ignoring that. GTFO. --76.105.145.143 (talk) 01:32, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Undue weight
I think this article gives undue weight to his anti-same-sex marriage stance. He is primarily known for his football and his clergical work. Added tag.--Mr. Guye (talk) 15:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed a sentence or two, but I don't see an undue issue here. His activity on same sex marriage was related to his clergy position and he was fairly known for it. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

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