Talk:Ken Kesey/Archive 1

Merger
i just removed the merger tag from furthur but i guess it should be discussed. some one can replace that if they feel i erred. the bus is an american icon which deserves its own article. it was the vehicle used for a voyage documented in books, it has a festival named after it. it shouldn't be merged. --Heah (talk) 05:46, 8 October 2005 (UTC)


 * due to the lack of any objection i'm going to remove the merge tag. --Heah (talk) 17:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Caverns
Kesey taught a novel-writing class at the UO that produced the collaborative novel Caverns. It might be nice to add this and some of his other teaching activities to the article. Katr67 13:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Non-major works

 * Edited his own self-published literary journal Spit in the Ocean, which serialized his unpublished novel Seven Prayers by Grandma Whittier, 1970s, seven issues.


 * "I've Used Cornstarch on my balls for years!", by Ken Kesey, The Last Supplement to the Whole Earth Catalog," Portola Institute, 1971. (Reprinted in Ken Kesey's Garage Sale).

The latter is a fine example of the Kesey spirit, but not a "major work" I'm afraid. See this source to enjoy the whole thing.

Katr67 18:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Work in Oregon?
Didn't he work at the State Mental Hospital in Salem, Oregon? I was led to believe that he had, and that it was his work in Salem that led to his writing One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. A friend who worked at the hospital only months before the movie was filmed there, told me that Kesey had worked at the hospital in the 1950s or so. Anyone know? -- Andrew Parodi 04:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Kesey worked as a night attendant in the psychiatric ward at the Menlo Park VA Hospital, CA at the same time he was an experimental subject in a government sponsored project investigating certain "psychomemetic" drugs. His work experience combined with his experiences with one drug in particular were the basis for his characters in the book One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Splitsky 19:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I believe Kesey worked at the Menlo Park VA hospital while he studied creative writing at Stanford (under Wallace Stegner). However, the hospital in the film version of "Cuckoo's Nest" is in Oregon. It was recently in the news for allegations of inmate-abuse (http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/11/oregon.hospital.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories). Nelsonst2004 22:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

"Irish-American"
I've removed the Irish-American category as there is no mention of Kesey's heritage in the article. If you have a reliable source please re-add the category. -- Delsource (talk) 13:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes a Great Notion section
I removed this section as it is empty, though I would like to see it readded with a good section on this book. I looked through the edit history of this article and did see the text which used to be in this section, I did not bring it back since the section was hardly about the book itsself, it was more about the Merry Pranksters, which certainly deserve mention and even a section in this artile as well. I guess really the article could use some serious attension. Russeasby 16:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


 * This article had been extensively vandalized and I didn't realize it hadn't been fixed correctly. Several important parts of the article had been completely deleted.  I brought them back so we can start improving it from a better starting point.  I started by renaming this section after the Kool-Aid Acid Test. --JayHenry 16:40, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, a better idea then mine, restoring the section and just renaming it. Though may I suggest it be named Merry Pranksers rather then Kool-aid Acid Test? Merry Pranksters is certainly a well known and common name for this group and their antics, while Kool-aid Acid Test is just the title of a book about the Merry Pranksters in this period. Russeasby 16:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Kirk Douglas owned the rights
Kirk bought the stage and film rights before the book was published.

It was a play LONG before the movie was made. With Kirk in the role. It was written for him. Thats why he bought the rights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.168 (talk) 13:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I wonder how this man's family name is pronounced. ['ki:si]? ['keisi]? [kə'sei]? Steinbach (talk) 18:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

I heard him and his family members pronounce it "kee-see". Rainbow-five (talk) 21:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Phish
I did some copy-editing and added a fact-tag to the whole Phish section, but part of me thinks it might go on too long/need a serious trimming. 154.20.5.228 (talk) 05:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

"Stamper" Family in Splendor in the Grass a Cultural Reference?
How could the Stamper family in the movie Splendor in the Grass be a cultural reference when the film was made in 1961, and the novel published in 1964? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.60.246 (talk) 19:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Questionable quote.
I find the quote "I was too young to be a beatnik, and too old to be a hippie," in the summary questionable. This is cited from a Salon article, which cites the quote from an interview for "The Source", a documentary that it claims was shown at the Sundance Film Festival, but I have failed to find it using the resources at my disposal. Can anyone verify this was said, or that it isn't misattributed? --DarkLinkXXXX (talk) 22:17, 31 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Here's a link to the documentary: The Source: The Story of the Beats and the Beat Generation. I've not seen it so cannot verify the quote is part of the film, but the film exists. 79616gr (talk) 22:49, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Dead link
Dropped *Interview with Ken Kesey, no longer works. Ellsworth (talk) 21:41, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
 * , archive.org has it archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20130630111819/http://blotterati.com/writing-archive/ken-kesey-interview/ Peaceray (talk) 23:26, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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Screen rights

 * Without Kesey's permission or involvement, Milos Forman directed a screen adaptation of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest starring Jack Nicholson in 1975, which won the academy award for best picture.

It's completely cary to my understanding of IP laws in the U.S. that Forman made the film without Kesey's permission: Kesey would have owned the screen rights, and no one could make a film of his book without his permission unless they were in for lengthy litigation which would end in defeat. I know that Kirk Douglas had the screen rights for awhile, and I guess if Kesey signed a loosely-worded contract, Douglas could have sold the rights without Kesey's permission. If that's the case, it should be clarified. As it is, it's misleading, so I'm removing "permission" above. Koyaanis Qatsi

That is all true but it should be noted that Kessey didn't like the film version of One Flew Over The Cuckoo's nest and had wanted to sue the makers of the film beacause he thought the film was too far away from his book.Saulisagenius

Here's the version of the story that I'm familiar with -- Ken Kesey sold the movie rights to Cuckoo's Nest for $20,000 and wrote the first screenplay. The screenplay that was eventually used was a revision, not Kesey's. One of the major adaptations from the book for the movie was the use of Nicholson's character. RP McMurphy in the book was a tall, broad shouldered man with red curly hair. Nicholson's RP McMurphy was a very different creature.

Kesey at one point got into an argument, not just with the lawyers over the paltry sum he'd received for the movie, but also over the casting of Nicholson to play McMurphy. According to Kesey, one of the lawyers said "we don't see what you're complaining about. You'll be the first one in line to see that movie." Kesey claims that at that point he swore that he would never see the movie, and said, "you don't lie to lawyers. If you do that, you go straight to hell." So, apparently, Kesey never saw the movie. At the time of its release it was the 7th highest grossing film and earned over $300 million. (Those figures are taken from http://www.filmsite.org/onef.html.)

According to a eulogy written after Kesey's death and published in a local paper in Springfield, Oregon, the night of the Academy Awards, when Cuckoo's Nest was nominated for nine academy awards (and won five of them) Kesey and some of his buddies were in a backhouse behind his home playing poker and drinking. He was not invited to the Academy and did not watch the awards on TV. Also according to that eulogy, Kesey did receive some sort of settlement in addition to the $20,000. Kesey never warmed up to the fact that tens of thousands of copies of his book had Jack Nicholson's face on the cover.

Wasn't it Michael Douglas who owned the rights? kirk douglas, i dont think so...
Kirk originally bought the rights intending to do a stage version. He either sold or gave the rights to his son.

Acid tests
Ken Kesey did not often slip acid into punch unbeknownst to his guests as this article metnioned. I edited because that was done by Ken Babs when Kesey was in Mexico

Um... yeah he did.