Talk:Kendal

CCHT external link
This link was added to the article after discussion on the WP Reliable Sources Noticeboard. See: WP:RSN exercise. No information from the CCHT link has been put into the body of the article in the form of citations because it has not yet been verified for 100% accuracy by the Victoria County History project for Cumbria. (This will take some years to do). Laplacemat (talk) 10:30, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Events
How about a section of regular "Events"? This could include the Beer Festival, the MintFest, Lantern Festival, etc --ManInStone 08:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that all depends on the relevant notability of the events. Are there reliable sources showing that MintFest or the torchlight carnival are notable? By that I mean, do we have independant sources discussing them?  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  09:13, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

A Brief Note About the Weather
Kendal's weather is less than spectacular for most of the time. Although average rainfall is lower than some other places, the moniker of "Auld Grey Town" may have as much to do with the weather as the slate and limestone architecture.

Having said that, if you are lucky enough to catch the area on a cloud-free day (or better still whilst in the unpredictable two weeks of excellent weather just outside the tourist season) it will be almost certainly warm, and the often high visibility is great if you like a nice view.


 * I've moved the above section here since the way it is written sounds anecdotal and unencyclopedic. Are there any sources that would imply the weather in Kendal is notable enough to be mentioned here? Angela. 01:45, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

My personal favourite view within walking distance of the town centre is that to be observed at dawn from the top of the Helm (a hill a couple of miles south of the town proper, nestled in between the villages of Natland and Oxenholme).
 * Also removed this since an article is not a place for personal recollections. Angela. 01:45, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)

Links to Newsquest websites
I am aware that the Westmorland Gazette is a historic publication - it is named after a traditional county after all, so how could I object? :) My obejction was the mass linking of Newsquest web sites by an employee of Newsquest Media; quoth WP:EL: Wikipedia disapproves strongly of links that are added for advertising purposes. Adding links to one's own page is strongly discouraged. The mass adding of links to any website is also strongly discouraged. Owain 10:45, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Correction to main article
The main article mentions Celtic raiders. Surely you mean Scottish raiders? I have not read of the Irish, Welsh, Cornish or Bretons mounting raids on Kendal in antiquity. It would be a long way to travel, especially without the aid of discount air travel! Also, I would argue that Mint Cake was not the major export from Kendal. That accolade must go to Kendal Shoes, or K Shoes, as they are more popularly known. Unfortunately, K Shoes were bought out and the manufacture of shoes has moved out of the town, out of the county and out of the country. And finally, the first recorded habitation in Kendal was at Alavna, the Roman fort at Watercrook. 00:00:24 - 20/11/2005 (Bobby Chariot)
 * I have changed Celtic raiders to the Border Reivers who were neither wholly Scottish or English but to call them Celtic is a mistake as the people of the Borderlands have a significavnt Viking and Anglo-Saxon ancestry as well as Celtic. Penrithguy 19:03, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Best place to live?
Kendal was pronounced the best place to live in England by an eight-year long survey undertaken by the University of Strathclyde, and those who live there.

While I have a vague recollection of this story appearing in the Westmorland Gazette a few years ago, my attempts to verify it have produced (other than Wikipedia mirrors) only this web page. Further searches for Strathclyde University's Quality of Life Research Group have yielded very little of use. Furthermore, the last bit of that sentence is decidedly POV. If a reliable source for this piece of information can be found then it would be good to include it (preferably with more details eg. what were their criteria, when was the survey carried out?), but in the meantime I've got rid of it. -- Blisco 19:44, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see why we should include this. There are many studys like this and all come up with different results.--Blaze1200 16:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

The mention of the 'fortified alleys\yards' is incorrect, since most of Kendal's yards were alleys leading to burgage plots, therefore only dating from the very late 1700's through the 1800's....much too late to have been used as fortfied hide outs from Border Reivers. Also, these yards are in no way defensible. Moggadon (talk) 13:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)Moggadon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moggadon (talk • contribs) 13:50, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Kendal Mint Cakes
I came to this page to find out about this. There was a link to "Kendal mint cake" but that page just redirects back to this one so I've removed the square brackets. It's a pity though, the mint cake is sufficently famous that it could do with an article of its own with a bit more detail. EdDavies 20:36, 10 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I tried to research it on the web a while ago but there's not a great deal of useful information out there; this BBC article looks promising, however. --Blisco 18:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I was also thinking that the Kendal Mint Cake should have it's own article, as it is famous. Stwalkerster 13:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I hve added a split section tag into the Kendal Mint Cake section for the reason I said above. Stwalkerster 18:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It's own article is a must. Here is another link with more info Mintcake Holkingers 00:14, 4 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yet another Split vote here, I'd say. I was actually quite surprised to find there was no article. Perhaps it should be at Kendal mint cake rather than Kendal Mint Cake, though? --Dreaded Walrus 13:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Split - Kendal mint cake is certainly notable in its own right, and could easily stand beign a page of it's own. --RedHillian 22:11, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I have to say the Kendal Mint Cake is a renown commodity and for that it would be only in good manner to spit it, so to have its own page. I have a link to "Quiggins" giving a small contribution of knowledge about the confectionary.

Lakeland Plastics/Limited
Lakeland Plastics, now called Lakeland Limited is a store offering goods, originally created from plastics as the name suggest, but now from all kinds of materials. As the company is national, and employs over 4000 perhaps it warrants a mention on this article, it may even take the crown as Kendals biggest exporter! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinster2001 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 2 November 2006


 * The main office and store is in Windermere though, not Kendal. It might merit a mention in the Windermere article, but I think its presence in Kendal is much more recent. Though if you can find reliable sources showing that LL plays a significant part in Kendal's economy, by all means mention it. --Blisco 18:15, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I cant find anything on the internet. Although as the Marketing manager of the company is my Girlfriends next door neighbour, i could ask him personally. But this could be seen as biased, so i could phone the company. The problem is that both these types of source seem hard to verify. Is there a way of doing this? I also suggested changing the Lakeland Limited section of wikipedia as it is lifted straight from the Lakeland Limited homepage and is clearly propoganda for the company.Pinster2001 14:18, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Given that farley's health products is one of Heinz's main european hubs (and Heinz is a little better known than LL, whose distribution warehouse shares the business park with Farley's), plus given the papermill is the town's often quoted major exporter, I doubt that LL is that large a contributor. The town is a little more complex than that with several medium sized hubs about. I must admit some bias though, as my Father works on the floor of Farley's and my Mother is an LL executive... I would second changing the LL page. It isn't encyclopedic, doesn't contain relevant information and came from an IP address whose only contributions are that page and adding LL to the 'Lakeland' disambig. page, without even tempering it by adding 'Lakeland' the clothing shop to the same list. LL is a Bowness business, and at the very least, that page should reflect that! This is also where this discussion should start to filter... MilleauRekiir 17:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Please can I point out that Croppers Paper mill is actually in Burneside, just north of Kendal. Stwalkerster 22:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Featured Article
I know this is a long shot, but would anyone be interested in helping me get kendal to featured aticle status? There would be a hell of a lot to do, but it would be good to get this small town on the map! We would have to rethink the whole article and have clear, important headings. All statements in the article would have to be sourced as well. I think it would be well worth it and all our effort would pay off. Anyway, its just a suggestion. Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 21:30, 11 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I was thinking about that myself. Depends on how much there is to do, but best to get the ball rolling now by having a look.MilleauRekiir 01:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added a subpage for a new article on Kendal that could be used to try and create a featured article. The subpage is Kendal/featured_article. I think it would be better to do it this way, otherwise we might destroy the original article. I've put down suggested headings, using Weymouth as an examply Ryan Postlethwaite See the mess I've created or let's have banter 15:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It's a good idea; lets get good old Kendal into the featured articles. by the way, the subpage was deleted, because it was a redirect to a userpage. This link goes directly to a subpage of my userpage: feel free to use it. Stwalkerster 23:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge from Kirkbie Kendal School
Please merge relevant content, if any, from [ Kirkbie Kendal School] per Articles for deletion/Kirkbie Kendal School. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-07 08:52Z 


 * For information (the article doesn't make it clear), Kirkbie Kendal is one of Kendal's two main secondary schools along with Queen Katherine. Both ought to be mentioned, along with Kendal College and other notable institutions (can't think of any more off the top of my head), in an "Education" section. Any volunteers? --Blisco 12:36, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree that both secondary schools as well as other institutions should be covered. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-07 14:01Z 


 * Leave it with me, I'll do it in a day or so Ryanpostlethwaite contribs/talk 21:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Kendal mint cake
I've now created the Kendal mint cake page, I've left the small section in this article alone, and just added a disambag link to the main mint cake article.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  16:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've also created indivdual stubs for Quiggin's, Romney's and Wilson's (mint cake), help in developing these would be much appreciated.  Ry an P os tl et hw ai te  21:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

False claim re most pubs
I have removed the claim that Kendal has most pubs per square mile. According to this source, which repeats the claim, Kendal has either 53 or 56 pubs, but this source lists 93 pubs and 82 bars in the City of London, aka the Square Mile. Greg Grahame (talk) 19:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

It seems you don't understand the meaning of 'per square mile'. Without stating the area of Kendal town centre, your argument is not valid. 58.153.123.14 (talk) 12:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Population
The population for Kendal is 27,505 not 27,521 according to this census data Office for National Statistics. Not a big difference I grant you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.55.215 (talk) 06:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

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Punctuation in the Search and Rescue section
This is a discussion I'm opening up to discuss the reasoning for the change from brackets to a single comma, to hopefully work out the best way to present this sentence. In short, is ...

"The Kendal Mountain Rescue Team is one of ten current mountain rescue teams that along with Lake District Mountain Rescue Search Dogs and Cumbria Ore Mines Rescue Unit, form part of the Lake District Search and Mountain Rescue Association, an umbrella organisation for mountain rescue teams in Cumbria.[19][20]."

... a better way of presenting the data here than ...

"The Kendal Mountain Rescue Team is one of currently 10 mountain rescue teams that (along with Lake District Mountain Rescue Search Dogs and Cumbria Ore Mines Rescue Unit) are part of the Lake District Search and Mountain Rescue Association, an umbrella organisation for mountain rescue teams in Cumbria[19][20]."

In addition, is there an even better way than both of these to present this sentence? DiggingLake (talk) 15:16, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The current wording, with the brackets, looks fine. If you were changing it then there would need to be a pair of parenthetical commas, but I would leave it as it is. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:28, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Think carefully, then do what you think best. Bmcln1 (talk) 15:37, 17 August 2018 (UTC)