Talk:Kennedy family/Archive 1

Indexing
Another possible indexing schemata:

Descendants of Patrick Joseph Kennedy (4 generations)

(1) Patrick Joseph Kennedy (1858-1929) & Mary Augusta Hickey (1857-1923) (2) Joseph Patrick Kennedy (1888-1969) & Rose Elizabeth Fitzgerald (1890-1995) (3) Joseph Patrick Kennedy, Jr. (1915-1944) (3) John Fitzgerald Kennedy (1917-1963) & Jacqueline Lee Bouvier (1929-1994) (4) Caroline Bouvier Kennedy (1957-) & Edwin Arthur Schlossberg (1945-) (4) John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Jr. (1960-1999) & Carolyn Bessette (1966-1999) (4) Patrick Bouvier Kennedy (1963-1963) (3) Rosemary Kennedy (1918-) (3) Kathleen Agnes Kennedy (1920-1948) & William John Robert Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (1917-1944) (3) Eunice Mary Kennedy (1921-) & Robert Sargent Shriver, Jr. (1915-) (4) Robert Sargent Shriver III (1954-) (4) Maria Owings Shriver (1955-) & Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger (1947-) (4) Timothy Perry Shriver (1959-) & Linda Sophia Potter (4) Mark Kennedy Shriver (1964-) & Jeannie Ripps (4) Anthony Paul Kennedy Shriver (1965-) & Alina Mojica (3) Patricia Kennedy (1924-) & Peter Lawford (1923-1984) (4) Christopher Kennedy Lawford (1955-) & Jean Edith Olsson (1955-) (4) Sydney Maleia Kennedy Lawford (1956-) & James Peter McKelvey (1955-) (4) Victoria Francis Lawford (1958-) & Robert Beebe Pender Jr. (4) Robin Elizabeth Lawford (1961-) (3) Robert Francis Kennedy (1925-1968) & Ethel Skakel (1928-), aunt of Michael Skakel (4) Kathleen Hartington Kennedy (1951-) & David Lee Townsend (1947-) (4) Joseph Patrick Kennedy II (1952-) & Sheila Brewster Rauch (1949-) & Elizabeth Kelley (1957-) (4) Robert Francis Kennedy, Jr. (1954-) & Emily Ruth Black (1957-) & Mary Richardson (1960-) (4) David Anthony Kennedy (1955-1984) (4) Mary Courtney Kennedy (1956-) & Jeffrey Robert Ruhe (1952-) & Paul Michael Hill (1955-) (4) Michael LeMoyne Kennedy (1958-1997) & Victoria Denise Gifford (1957-) (4) Mary Kerry Kennedy (1958-) & Andrew Mark Cuomo, son of Mario Cuomo (4) Christopher George Kennedy (1963-) & Sheila Sinclair Berner (4) Matthew Maxwell Taylor Kennedy (1965-) & Victoria Anne Strauss (4) Douglas Harriman Kennedy (1967-) & Molly Stark (4) Rory Elizabeth Kennedy (1968-) & Cecyle Teresa Radziwill (3) Jean Ann Kennedy (1928-) & Stephen Edward Smith (1927-) (4) Stephen Edward Smith, Jr. (1957-) (4) William Kennedy Smith, M.D. (1960-) (accused and acquitted of rape) (4) Amanda Mary Smith (1967-) (4) Kym Marie Smith (1972-) & Alfred Tucker (3) Edward Moore Kennedy (1932-) & Joan Bennett (4) Kara Ann Kennedy (1960-) & Michael Allen (4) Edward Moore Kennedy, Jr. (1961-) & Katherine Gershman (4) Patrick Joseph Kennedy (1967-) (3) Edward Moore Kennedy (1932-) (2nd marriage) & Victoria Reggie (2) Francis Benedict Kennedy (1891-1892) (2) Loretta Kennedy (1892-1972) & George William Connelly (1898-1971) (3) Mary Louise Connelly (1928-) & Matthew James McCarthy (1926-) (2) Margaret Louise Kennedy (1898-1974) & Charles Joseph Burke (1899-1967) (3) Margaret Louise Burke (1926-) & John Bernard DeVine (1920-) (3) Charles Joseph Burke (1928-) & Claire Colton (1935-) (3) Thomas Francis Burke (1933-) & Gertrude Ann Miller (1936-)

Oh, that really clears things up for me. Daniel Quinlan 08:29, Nov 15, 2003 (UTC)
 * Perhaps not: nonetheless this seems to be one page where all the Kennedys are actually unambiguously related, though perhaps some articles have escaped me. -- Someone else 08:33, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Linked the Marquess to above family tree. Wrote page for Ethel, but she was already linked. jengod 08:45, Feb 10, 2004 (UTC)

An anon change the article to always say family, not dynasty. While both are correct, the title says Dynasty. Should the article be moved, or the article reverted, or neither? -- user:zanimum


 * Moved to political family b/c only other article on U.S. political families page that has an article is the Bush family and they are listed as a family, not a dynasty. jengod 11:29, Feb 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * wondering at point dynasty status is achieved... :) --Rj 03:19, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)


 * They are almost a dynasty... should we put it to a vote? -- user:zanimum


 * The reason the "anon" changed it was because he/she thought "dynasty" was perjorative, and I agree. Family is more neutral--they are inarguably a family; they are debatably a dynasty. jengod 18:13, Feb 23, 2004 (UTC)

material moved from JFK article

 * The following material was a section in the John F. Kennedy article. It's about the family, not about John Kennedy, who apparently did nothing at all regarding McCarthy. It would better belong in an article of this title, though this doesn't seem to be organized in a suitable fashion for inclusion. It strikes me as fairly POV writing, and it's totally unreferenced, but some mention probably belongs somewhere. Derex 19:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Someone's stuck it back in the JFK article, I've challenged it there. Derex 19:20, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

McCarthy's support from the Kennedy family

After 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy was the nation's most prominent Irish-American along with the Kennedy family. Even before becoming famous, McCarthy forged a close friendship with Joseph P. Kennedy, who contributed thousands of dollars to McCarthy, and became one of his major supporters. Joseph Kennedy often brought him to Hyannis Port as a weekend house guest in the late 1940s. McCarthy at one point dated Patricia Kennedy, JFK's sister. In the Senate race of 1952, Joseph allegedly worked a deal so that McCarthy, a Republican, would not make campaign speeches for the GOP ticket in Massachusetts. In return, John F. Kennedy would not give any anti-McCarthy speeches that his liberal supporters wanted to hear. In 1953, at the father's urging, McCarthy hired Robert Kennedy (age 27) as a senior staff member. In 1954, when the Senate was threatening to condemn McCarthy, Senator Kennedy faced a dilemma. "How could I demand that Joe McCarthy be censured for things he did when my own brother was on his staff?" asked Kennedy. By 1954, however, Robert Kennedy and McCarthy's chief aide, Roy Cohn, had had a falling out and Robert no longer worked for McCarthy. John Kennedy had a speech drafted calling for the censure of McCarthy, but he never delivered it. When the Senate voted to censure McCarthy on December 2, 1954, Senator Kennedy was in the hospital and never indicated then or later how he would vote.

Still-born daughter Kennedy ("Arabella")
The stillborn daughter of JFK and Jackie was not named. See. Bastique ▼ parler voir 02:26, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Correct. This from Kennedy Curse confirms the fact: Jacqueline Kennedy gives birth to a stillborn daughter. (Although the daughter was unnamed and is buried at Arlington National Cemetery next to her parents with a marker reading "Daughter," later reports indicated that the Kennedys had intended to call her "Arabella Kennedy".). JackofOz 04:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Derex reverted my edit with the summary: "it didn't say legal name. it also indicated she was stillborn. respect what the family chooses to call her, this isn't a legal document, and there's no need to distract the reader on such minutae". My take on that is that, if an encyclopedia is not about minutiae, what is it about? While a bereaved family may refer to their still-born child by the name they had intended to give him/her, the fact is that that name has no status in law or anywhere else. It is simply a private family matter; without wanting to seem callous, "Arabella" is essentially a nick-name. We can report the fact that the Kennedys had intended to name their daughter Arabella had she been born live, and we have done so in Kennedy Curse. But to simply assume that name for a stillborn child in an encyclopedic entry is not, in my opinion, appropriate. I even question whether it is correct to say that the Kennedys had 4 children. I would agree they had 4 pregnancies, but they only ever had 3 children. The very fact that the still-born child's grave is marked "Daughter" and not "Arabella" means that the Kennedys accepted that this undoubtedly loved creature should have no name as far as the outside world is concerned. That includes Wikipedia. Finally, lots of notable people have had still-born children, and I'm sure many of them had chosen the babies' names, and referred to the still-born by those names informally in much the same way the Kennedys called their still-born daughter Arabella. But you won't find any of those names in an encyclopedia, for good reason. Why make an exception for the Kennedys? JackofOz 05:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I can't see what "status in law" has to do with this. The text indicated that she was stillborn. Anyone who cares about such matters therefore knows that she has no legal name. Anyone who doesn't care about that is unlikely to be reading an article on the Kennedy's for a discussion of the legality of naming a stillborn child, which is all that the edit added.


 * My position is that we should respect the wishes of the family in description. If they called her Arabella, that's enough. However, you now indicate that they elected to mark her gravestone as "Daughter", so that is what should be indicated. I suggest "Stillborn daughter". If the intent to call her Arablla at a later time can be documented, it can be noted with "Stillborn daughter -- intended name Arabella". Derex 05:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is amazingly close to my initial edit which you reverted: "stillborn daughter 1956 (she is usually referred to as "Arabella", although technically she had no legal name)". I've never seen any primary documentation of the claim that she was intended to be called Arabella, but I've seen plenty of secondary material. I don't think there's any serious doubt that they chose this name. Fwiw, I actually prefer your form of words "Stillborn daughter -- intended name Arabella". JackofOz 05:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

"Predominantly" Democratic family
The intro describes the "Kennedy family" as "predominantly" Democratic. This implies that there are exceptions. Yet the article fails to mention a single Kennedy active in Republican (or non-Democratic) politics. Maria Shriver is of course prominently married to Schwarzenegger, but she's still a Democrat who famously banished him to the couch after publicly supporting Bush.

That said, as a Kennedy and an American no less I would tend to object to the title of this article. The "Kennedy family" of this article is no doubt the most well-known branch of the Kennedy clan but represents only a minuscule fraction of Kennedys worldwide (who all have families of their own). I think I'd be fighting a losing battle here though. NTK 04:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Rufus?
This article claims Ted & Joan Kennedy's second of four children is a "Rufus Kennedy". Neither the article Ted Kennedy nor the article Joan Bennett Kennedy has any mention of a Rufus, both asserting they had only three children together: Kara, Edward Jr., and Patrick. The change was made here by an anon last March, and I suspect subtle vandalism, so I'm removing it. —Angr/talk 21:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello
What is wrong with all the kennedys? why are they all dying? even if you marry into the family or your not even their blood you end up dying? stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.116.73.138 (talk) 16:58, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It's just a sad coincidence. I'm a Kennedy and i hope i don't die young. Of course there is nothing wrong with the family and no curse, just a coincidence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by President Elect (talk • contribs) 03:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

County Wexford

 * Why is it not mentioned that the first Kennedy immigrant came from County Wexford, Ireland?--jeanne (talk) 07:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Airplane crashes
The article says that four Kennedys were involved in airplane crashes, but I'm thinking maybe it should be changed to "airplane accidents" or something like that, because Joe, Jr.'s plane exploded in the air. Tad Lincoln (talk) 06:56, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Not related to President Ford?
In reading the article, I came across a comment that the Kennedys are related to every president except Gerald Ford. However, in researching my genealogy, I discovered that my ancestor Stephen Bachiler is an ancestor of both President Nixon and President Ford. Just an interesting thing that someone might look further into. Jesus geek (talk) 02:37, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

maria kennedy,nee HANDRICK CIRCA 1775/1835. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.67.249 (talk) 06:58, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Caroline Kennedy Family Tree
I suggest that the Caroline Kennedy family tree should be expander to reflect marriage and children.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.68.59.75 (talk) 04:14, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

rvv
I reverted a string of petty vandalism edits - someone knowledgeable about the Kennedy family should probably check to make sure something correct didn't get deleted (it was hard to tell) - Special-T (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Italy
I found it rather humorous, but several years ago I came across a book called "Italians in North America" and JFK's pic was on the cover (and a few other people). Apparently their ancestors arrived in Ireland from present day Italy somewhere in the XIV century. Is this something to ognore or should we look deeper into it? Norum 02:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

what is this about General Joseph B. Colton
That name showed up just above Sargent Shriver in list of notable family members. I am ignoring that Sargent Shriver is in by marriage (he married Eunice, a daughter of Joe Sr. & Rose). What is General Joseph B. Colton being listed here for? Clicking on that link points to fictitious G.I.Joe character. I assume this General Joseph B. Colton reference should be removed, and I am declining to do it myself without confirmation from others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 19:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * he is a real member of their family, all records of his existence have been covered up you can read an excerpt from Turmoil in the Toybox: The Astounding True Story of Playtimes Greatest Heroes... at this link http://www.pjfarmer.com/woldnewton/Toybox.pdf 96.235.234.247 (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * "All records of his existence have been covered up." With no reliable documentation it can't be included here. Plus, he's not a Kennedy and wouldn't belong in the infobox even if he were real. A conspiracy theory website/blog is not a reliable ref. - Special-T (talk) 01:39, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * there is plenty of valid references and that website just has the excerpt from the BOOK "TURMOIL IN THE TOYBOX: The Astounding True Story of Playtime's Greatest Heroes!" by Phil Phillips which you can find through google search or on this amazon link http://www.amazon.com/Turmoil-Toy-Box-Phil-Phillips/dp/0914984047 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.235.234.247 (talk) 05:30, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Seriously? Those links lead to reviews, which show that the book is about "the secret occult machinations" behind many of the most popular toys from the 70s and 80s. Not only is it an unreliable reference, but it makes no indication that G.I. Joe was anymore real than Crystal Ball and Shang-Chi, who are also mentioned in the article as "real" people, along with countless others. Fortdj33 (talk) 12:47, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

'americas royal family'
i have never heard that used nor is that commonly known. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.50.119.13 (talk) 20:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)


 * It is an extremely common phrase that you should have heard at some point. European Royal Families (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Name formatting
Not sure if there is a policy or guideline for this, but the formatting of the names with the bold on only parts of the names - First Middle Last - is visually very unappealing and distracting to the contents of the lists. Comments and discussion welcomed. &mdash; MrDolomite &bull; Talk 18:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason to have any bold font in those names. There was a long string of major (good-faith and seemingly generally constructive) edits by a single editor a little while back. I think he/she used this format and also created the family tree section, which (unless it's just my browser) appears to need major reformatting also. I'm not an expert on WP:MOS issues here, but I'd say be bold and remove the bold. - Special-T (talk) 12:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Continuous Service in Congress and White House
"From 1947, when John F. Kennedy was first elected to Congress, to 2011, when Patrick J. Kennedy departed Congress, there were 64 years with a Kennedy in elective office in Washington."

I'm just looking at this statement, and while it seems largely true, JFK was elected President in 1960, resigned as Senator on December 22 and only became President on January 20 1961. Its a small point, but its significant, since its a break in the continuous service (unless there was another Kennedy in Congress that I've forgotten about...) MoreofaGlorifiedPond,Really... (talk) 04:29, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Charles Joseph Burke and Claire Colton
Please do not add the contradicting marriage with citation, it conflicts with the 3 later references, which clearly state her name correctly, in the case you find sources which can more verify her name as "Coliton" it is Colton according to the numerous other refences, please stop changing the content. TronLover (talk) 20:22, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Why are adopted children not included?
Jean Kennedy Smith's adopted daughters are not listed in Fourth Generation: Amanda Mary Smith (born 1967) - an author, including a book of Joseph P. Kennedy's letters. Married Carter Hood; has two children. Kym Maria Smith (born 1972) - a photographer. Divorced from Alfie Tucker; remarried to John Morgan.

Anthony Shriver's adopted son Teddy is not listed in the Fifth Generation: 1. Jorge Eduardo Nuñez "Teddy" Shriver (born 1988)

Amanda Mary Smith (born 1967) two children with Carter Hood (born 1969) are not listed in the Fifth Generation: 1. Stephanie Hood (born 2002) 2. Sumner Hood (born 2005) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnlarca (talk • contribs) 23:55, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism and Sockpuppetry
I am unsure if anyone is aware but someone with a masked IP address continues to vandalize the page and remove family members and change them to the wrongs names or remove cited references altogether. Attempts for page protection in the past have failed the same person is making persistent vandalism. For instance...

*# Charles Joseph Burke, Jr. (born May 5, 1928). He married Claire Colton (born November 11, 1935) on February 4, 1976

The ip address Special:Contributions/2602:304:CFAC:1CC9:F4B3:44A8:5B41:BB20 continues replacing above properly cited content that checks out with...

*# Charles Joseph Burke, Jr. (born May 5, 1928). He first married Ellen Therea Kelley, daughter of Oliver G. Kelley. Charles, Jr. and Ellen had one daughter. Charles, Jr. secondly married Claire Coliton (born November 11, 1935) on February 4, 1976

It would be fine if it was a one time thing but the person is clearly making an attempt to misspell the name. Compare the referenes of the one above with 3 citations versus the one below cited only once, and also on the second reference it spells the name both ways. Not to mention there is also General Joseph Colton, the fictional G.I. Joe character who in the comics met president Kennedy. So there is very compelling evicdence her name is Coliton, not Colton. Because of this persistent vandalism I am requesting full page protection. 71.114.165.160 (talk) 07:28, 10 May 2013 (UTC) I would like to add to this that the vandal is being investigated for possible Sock_Puppetry as you can see here.
 * I have removed some "who is" information; I don't see the point of that. I would like to note that this, cited above in the supposedly properly verified edit, is not a reliable source--it's self-published and the author acknowledges Wikipedia usage. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I see that now, but nonetheless it still has other sources, running a google search of "Claire Coliton" and Burke doesn't even yield any results as you can see with a Google search, however "Claire Colton" burke kennedy do yield much more results and sources that could be cited. So all available information points to it being Colton and "Coliton" being simply a typo. 71.114.165.160 (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's entirely possible. I hope your opponent is reading this; perhaps you can post on the talk page of the relevant Wikiproject? Drmies (talk) 16:39, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a plan :) 71.114.165.160 (talk) 16:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

National Archives
I came across the Kennedy family National Archives (http://docsteach.org/documents/192701/print) and thought it could be used in this article. Also, since this and Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.'s book "Robert Kennedy and His Times" refer to RFK's eldest son as Joseph III (which makes sense, as calling him "II" would be like discounting the uncle or grandfather when they all have the exact same first, middle, last name), the article should list him as such and not II. I mention Schlesinger because he personally knew the Kennedys and worked with JFK and RFK. Also, RFK's grandson (as seen in the archives linked) should be listed as Joseph IV, not III. 64.30.14.50 (talk) 00:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You also came and made the same edits a previous vandal had made just a few months ago, which caused us to attain article protection. The same exact edits you are suggesting right here right now. Sockpuppetry is against the rules here, and I smell something fishy Duck. 72.72.254.84 (talk) 14:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Article Needs Trimming
Upon reviewing this page, its "family members" section is rather lengthy and full of redundancies. I suggest trimming it down to just simply having one descendant list in that section. Alsthe having so many individual photos of family members is quite unnecessary. It would be better to just have some collective family photos. Any objections? 174.252.52.140 (talk) 00:41, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Page Protection
This article seriously needs its protection level raised, there is way to much disruptive editing going on. There was the effort to remove the family tree, and now it is back again except with way lower quality. This is ridiculous, how is this article not indefinitely fully protected like every other Kennedy article? 72.72.240.141 (talk) 12:11, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hatnote for "Kennedys"
I added the hatnote because redirects here. The hatnote I added referred to two likely alternate choices, articles that appear at the singular form for which the plural form may also be used, which would be listed at Kennedy (disambiguation), and variant spellings, specifically Kennedy's, a department store. The disambiguation page also lists a different "Kennedy's", Kennedy's disease. Alternate uses for the plural include the department store, Kennedy (surname), the disambiguation list (ie. a list of Kennedys), Kennedy (given name) (ie. Johns, Harveys, Toms, or Kennedys to refer to a group of people by their common given name), The Kennedys (miniseries).

We are having a dispute over the form the hatnote takes. I think that it should definitely include a link to the disambiguation page Kennedy (disambiguation), as it includes all possible uses for "Kennedys", and plural forms should always indicate the location of the singular form (and vice versa); while another user believes that only the department store needs to be indicated. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 08:32, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * From what I've seen in other articles, a main DAB isn't always needed. If there are one or two terms very closely relating to the article's topic (this page), one can simply give a referral to the closely related terms instead for simplicity sake. With that being said, Kennedy DAB isn't needed, assuming a referral is even used at all.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 13:28, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Except that there are other uses for the plural, besides this article (such as the aforementioned items) like Clan Kennedy or Kennedy Clan (which would also fit as possible entries for "Kennedy family" along with Kennedy (surname) . Which is in this case why if we have only one disambiguation link, it hsould be the disambiguation page, which lists all the uses for Kennedy family and plural/singular uses Kennedys/Kennedy. And why it should contain a link to the disambiguation page regardless of indicating the department store. IMO. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 05:10, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmmm..... there is the idea of linking to simply Clan Kennedy and O'Kennedy with something like "for the Scottish family, see Clan Kennedy, for the Irish royal family, see O'Kennedy".  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:14, 26 September 2014 (UTC)


 * That's already several entries more than the one disambiguation link you said was preferable. It's enough to write a new disambiguation page Kennedys (disambiguation). As we already have a disambiguation page with the values listed...


 * would handle all cases -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 10:13, 27 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I said one or two specific links could be better than DAB in some instances, though there is the idea of a new DAB.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 12:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

-- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 03:29, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The status quo handles the situation just fine. Kennedys redirects here; Kennedy (disambiguation) can include singular, plural, or possessive uses. bd2412  T 03:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * The status quo hatnote on this article does not link to the disambiguation page. It only links to the department store. -- 65.94.171.225 (talk) 20:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Like bd2412, I see no need for a new disambiguation page. Simply add Kennedy (disambiguation) to the hatnote. I don't understand the objection. Cnilep (talk) 04:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't even think referral links to a DAB is even required. If using a referral, it would probably be better to give more specific links.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 04:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Could you explain why you think more specific links would be preferable to linking to the DAB page? (with apologies for not awaiting your response) The reason disambiguation is necessary is that there are other things on Wikipedia called "Kennedys": Kennedys, Ontario; Dead Kennedys, Kennedy's, etc. Cnilep (talk) 04:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * When there are closely-related topics and/or unrelated topics with similar names, specific referrals would provide more direct access to such than a DAB page would if looking for such topics. For example, The Beatles has a referral to its title album when mentioning the redirect of "Beatles". "Kennedy's" can be found at List of defunct department stores of the United States, which is the most closely related topic to this family. There is also the Clan Kennedy and O'Kennedy families. When simply looking for Kennedys, readers tend not to be looking for Strong, Ontario or the band Dead Kennedys as often as they are things related to this family. For this, I would say referring to the "List of defunct department stores of the United States" page would be better than a DAB as the specific link gives a more direct reference to an article talking about their family business. When not looking for family research, there's the chance that they came across the wrong family page when arriving here, and linking to "Clan Kennedy" and "O'Kennedy" would provide probable desired destinations.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:15, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

There's a place called "Kennedys", so it must be linked from Kennedys, whether via a dab page or a hatnote, even though it's not got its own article but Kennedys, Ontario redirects to Strong, Ontario, where it's listed as one of the constituent communities of this township. Pam D  10:58, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I've inserted that, right after Kennedy, Ontario. – Fayenatic  L ondon 13:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Family in list too
This version was reverted. I think that such a list may add something, for example more space for text, and regular font, more names can be added. Indenting was used. Many readers simply prefer reading text to seeing schemes (unlike me). I'd say, the list can come back. (we could add a box with vertical-scroll, or other screen helps). -DePiep (talk) 23:52, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2014
- rm a full article copy-paste by User:Davidkennedy1955. No question (or sign) present. -DePiep (talk) 22:52, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 December 2014
Family members Irish ancestors James Kennedy, Sr. (1770–1835) was born in Dunganstown[2] (Whitechurch, New Ross, County Wexford) in south-eastern Ireland, to John Kennedy I (1738–1803) and Bridget Shallow (1744–1774).[3] He inherited a small farm from his father during the Penal Law times in Ireland. James, Sr. and his wife Maria (c. 1779 – February 16, 1835) had four children: Mary Kennedy, who married James Molloy[3] John Kennedy II (1804–1864), who married Mary K. Gunnip (1816–1881) and was a local farmer[3] James Kennedy, Jr. (1816–1881), who married Catherine Colfer and was also a local farmer[3] Patrick Kennedy (1823–1858), who married Bridget Murphy (1824–1888), daughter of Philip Murphy and Mary Barron.[4] Patrick and Bridget and had five children. First generation Patrick Kennedy (1823 in Dunganstown – 1858 in Boston) and Bridget Murphy (1824 in Dunganstown – 1888 in Boston) had five children: Mary L. Kennedy (1851–1926), married Lawrence M. Kane, son of Philip Kane and Margaret Murphy.[5] Lawrence and Mary had five children. Joanna L. Kennedy (1852–1926), married Humphrey Charles Mahoney, had eight children.[6] John Kennedy III (1854–1855) Margaret M. Kennedy (1855–1929), married John Thomas Caulfield, had eight children.[7] Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy I (1858–1929), the first family patriarch, a first-generation Irish-American who was a politician involved in the local Democratic Party. In 1887, P. J. married Mary Augusta Hickey (1857–1923), daughter of James Hickey and Margaret M. Field.[8] P. J. and Mary had four children. Second generation Mary L. Kennedy and Lawrence M. Kane had five children: Joseph Lawrence Kane (November 29, 1883 — March 19, 1967) Mary Margaret Kane (August 25, 1885 — September 14, 1885) George Philip Kane (September 8, 1888 — July 6, 1954) Gertrude Margaret Kane (May 26, 1890 — Jan 14, 1969) Frederick Kane (1892 — October 15, 1897) Johanna L. Kennedy and Humphrey Charles Mahoney had eight children: Daniel Mahoney (October 14, 1873 — November 20, 1875) Mary E. Mahoney (October 18, 1875 — December 7, 1875) William Henry Mahoney (May 17, 1878 — May 10, 1879) Frances Josephine Mahoney (March 2, 1880 — April 13, 1963) Annie Mahoney (February 13, 1883 — May 7, 1889) Henry Joseph Mahoney (October 15, 1884 — February 3, 1961) Gertrude Mahoney (October 7, 1886 — July 27, 1887) Frederick Louis Mahoney (August 21, 1890 — October 26, 1965) Margaret M. Kennedy and John Thomas Caulfield had eight children: Mary Frances Caulfield (February 8, 1884 — June 14, 1938), married Alexander G. Crawford Frederick Caulfield (June 20, 1886 — ?) Edith M. Caulfield (April 8, 1888 — April 6, 1943) Henry R. Caulfield (May 1889 — April 27, 1925) Florence J. Caulfield (November 19, 1891 — August 10, 1892) Elsie G. Caulfield (October 1894 — February 8, 1914) Jeanette Dorothea Caulfield (Feb 1896 — June 1, 1953) John Theodore Caulfield (June 3, 1899 — August 18, 1966) Patrick Joseph "P. J." Kennedy I (1858–1929) and Mary Augusta Hickey (1857–1923) had four children: Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy, Sr. (1888–1969) married in 1914 Rose Elizabeth Fitzgerald (1890–1995), daughter of John Francis "Honey Fitz" Fitzgerald and Mary Josephine "Josie" Hannon. Joe, Sr. served as the first chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and as the United States Ambassador to the Court of St. James in the years leading up to World War II. Joe, Sr. and Rose had nine children. Francis Benedict Kennedy (1891–1892) Mary Loretta Kennedy (1892–1972) married George William Connelly (1898–1971), son of Michael John Connelly and Margaret Elizabeth Driscoll. Mary and George had one daughter.[9] Margaret Louise Kennedy (1898–1974) married Charles Joseph Burke, Sr. (1899–1967), son of Thomas Francis Burke I and Alicia Augusta Mann. Margaret and Charles, Sr. had three children.[10] Third generation Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy, Sr. (1888–1969) and Rose Elizabeth Fitzgerald (1890–1995) had nine children: Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy, Jr. (1915–1944). Known as "Joe, Jr." He had been expected to become the family's political standard-bearer. He was killed in action during World War II on August 12, 1944 when taking part in Operation Aphrodite as a pilot of a modified B-24 Liberator drone bomber which accidentally exploded and crashed over Blyth Estuary in Suffolk, England. For this act, he was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross. His body was never recovered. Joe, Jr. never married or had any children, but was once engaged to Athalia Ponsell Lindsley.

Jack and Jackie on their wedding day, surrounded by relatives John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy, Sr. (1917–1963). Known to his family as "Jack" and sometimes referred to as "JFK", he was a U.S. Representative (1947–1953), a U.S. Senator (1953–1960) and the 35th U.S. President (1961–1963). In 1953, he married Jacqueline Lee "Jackie" Bouvier (1929–1994), daughter of John Vernou "Black Jack" Bouvier III and Janet Norton Lee. Jack and Jackie had four children, including a stillbirth. He was assassinated on November 22, 1963 while riding in a presidential motorcade in Dallas, Texas. Rose Marie "Rosemary" Kennedy (1918–2005). Known as "Rosemary" or "Rosie", she was rendered incapable of intelligible speech or caring for herself after a failed lobotomy at age 23 – a new neurosurgical technique of the time and requested by her father – that was intended to cure her increasing mood swings and make her more manageable. The operation instead reduced her to an infantile state. From 1949, she lived in a residential care facility in Jefferson, Wisconsin until her death. Rosemary never married or had any children. Kathleen Agnes "Kick" Kennedy (1920–1948). In 1944 she married a Protestant, William John Robert "Billy" Cavendish (1917–1944), son of Edward William Spencer Cavendish and Mary Alice Gascoyne-Cecil. Rose highly disapproved of Kick's marriage. After being widowed when Billy was killed in action during World War II, Kick was killed in an airplane crash in France on May 13, 1948 along with her alleged lover, William Henry Lawrence Peter Wentworth-Fitzwilliam (1910–1948). Kick never had any children. Eunice Mary Kennedy (1921–2009). She was a co-founder of the Special Olympics in 1968, an organization she began in honor of her sister Rosemary. In 1953, she married Robert Sargent "Sarge" Shriver, Jr. (1915–2011), son of Robert Sargent Shriver, Sr. and Hilda Shriver. Sarge was later the U.S. Ambassador to France in the late 1960s-early 1970s and a 1972 vice-presidential candidate; Eunice and Sarge had five children. Patricia Helen "Pat" Kennedy (1924–2006). Married actor Peter Sydney Ernest Lawford (1923–1984), son of Sydney Turing Barlow Lawford and May Sommerville Bunny, in 1954. Pat and Peter had four children before divorcing in 1966.

The Kennedy brothers, Jack, Bobby and Ted, July 1960. Robert Francis "Bobby" Kennedy, Sr. (1925–1968). Known as "Bobby" or "RFK", he was U.S. Attorney General (1961–1964) in his brother John's administration and later served as the junior U.S. Senator from New York (1965-his death). In 1950, he married Ethel Skakel (born 1928), daughter of George Skakel and Ann Brannack. Bobby and Ethel had 11 children. He was assassinated in Los Angeles, California during his 1968 campaign for U.S. president. Jean Ann Kennedy (born 1928). In 1956, she married Stephen Edward Smith, Sr. (1927–1990) and they had two sons. She later served as the U.S. Ambassador to Ireland (1993–1998). Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy, Sr. (1932–2009). Known as "Teddy" or "Ted", he served as a U.S. Senator from Massachusetts (1962–2009). In 1958, he married Virginia Joan Bennett (born 1936), daughter of Henry Wiggin Bennett, Jr. and Virginia Joan Stead. Ted and Joan had three children before divorcing in 1982. In 1992, Ted married Victoria Anne "Vicki" Reggie (born 1954), daughter of Edmund Michael Reggie, Sr. and Doris Ann Boustany. On May 20, 2008, it was announced that Ted had a malignant brain tumor. In the next year, brain cancer severely limited his U.S. Senate appearances. Ted died on August 25, 2009. Ted and Vicki had no children together. Mary Loretta Kennedy (1892–1972) and George William Connelly (1898–1971) had one daughter: Mary Louise Connelly (born 1928). She married Matthew James McCarthy (born 1926). Margaret Louise Kennedy (1898–1974) and Charles Joseph Burke, Sr. (1899–1967) had three children: Margaret Louise Burke (born April 2, 1926). She married John Bernard Devine (born 1920) Charles Joseph Burke, Jr. (born May 5, 1928). He first married Ellen Therea Kelley, daughter of Oliver G. Kelley. Charles, Jr. and Ellen had one daughter. Charles, Jr. secondly married Claire Coliton (born November 11, 1935) on February 4, 1976 [11] Thomas Francis Burke II (born May 25, 1933). He married Gertrude Ann Miller (born October 10, 1936) on June 18, 1960 Fourth generation John Fitzgerald "Jack" Kennedy, Sr. (1917–1963) and Jacqueline Lee "Jackie" Bouvier had four children, including one stillborn daughter: Arabella Kennedy (1956–1956) – stillborn.[12] Caroline Bouvier Kennedy (born 1957) – a lawyer, a co-founder of the Profile in Courage Award, the president of the John F. Kennedy Library Foundation and the chairwoman of the American Ballet Theatre. Married Edwin Arthur Schlossberg, son of Alfred and Mae Schlossberg. Caroline and Edwin have three children. John Fitzgerald "John-John" Kennedy, Jr. (1960–1999) – a lawyer, magazine publisher, and socialite. He married Carolyn Jeanne Bessette (1966–1999) on September 21, 1996, daughter of William J. Bessette and Ann Messina Freeman. On July 16, 1999, John-John died in a plane crash along with Carolyn and her sister, Lauren Bessette (1964–1999). John-John and Carolyn never had any children. Patrick Bouvier Kennedy (1963–1963) – died from infant respiratory distress syndrome two days after his birth. Eunice Mary Kennedy and Robert Sargent "Sarge" Shriver, Jr. had five children: Robert Sargent "Bobby" Shriver III (born 1954) – an attorney and the president of RSS Inc., a Beverly Hills, California music, film and philanthropic company; a Santa Monica, California city councilman and Mayor. Married Malissa Feruzzi; has one daughter. Maria Owings Shriver (born 1955) – a former television news anchor; ex-wife of Republican California Governor Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger (born 1946); Maria and Arnold had four children. Timothy Perry Shriver (born 1959) – former New Haven, Connecticut educator, since 1997 the chairman of the Special Olympics. Married Linda Sophia Potter; has five children. Mark Kennedy Shriver (born 1964) – a former delegate in the Maryland General Assembly currently Vice President and Managing Director of US Programs for the charity Save the Children. Married Jeanne Eileen "Jeannie" Ripp; has three children. Anthony Paul Kennedy Shriver (born 1965) – an activist for mental retardation who founded Best Buddies International. Married Alina Mojica; has four children. Patricia Helen "Pat" Kennedy and Peter Sydney Ernest Lawford had four children: Christopher Kennedy Lawford (born 1955) – a professional actor. Divorced from Jean Edith "Jeannie" Olsson; has three children. Sydney Maleia Kennedy Lawford (born 1956) – married to James Peter McKelvy, Sr.; has four sons. Her godmother was Jackie Victoria Francis Lawford (born 1958) – married to Robert Beebe Pender, Jr.; has three daughters. Robin Elizabeth Lawford (born 1961) – an environmentalist and marine biologist. Robin has never married or had any children. Robert Francis "Bobby" Kennedy, Sr. and Ethel Skakel had 11 children: Kathleen Hartington Kennedy (born 1951) – former Lt. Governor of Maryland, a candidate for Governor of Maryland. Married David Lee Townsend; has four daughters and one grandson. Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy III (born 1952) – former U.S. Representative from Massachusetts. Runs the non-profit Citizens Energy Corp. in Boston. Joe first married in 1979 Sheila Brewster Rauch (born 1949), daughter of Rudolph Stewart Rauch and Frances Stuart Brewster. Joe and Sheila had twin sons before divorcing in 1991. Joe secondly married Anne Elizabeth "Beth" Kelley (born 1957) in 1993, and has no children with her. Robert Francis Kennedy, Jr. (born 1954) – an environmentalist and political commentator, attorney and law professor at Pace University School of Law; best known for his many successful lawsuits to prevent water pollution, primarily in the New York area. First married Emily Ruth Black (born 1957) in 1982, daughter of Thomas Black and Helen Armstrong. Robert, Jr. and Emily had two children before divorcing in March 1994. Three weeks later in April 1994, Robert Jr. wed Mary Nancy Richardson (1959-2012). Robert, Jr. and Mary had four children before separating in 2010, though they remained legally married until Mary's death in May 2012. David Anthony Kennedy (1955–1984) – died of a drug overdose in a Palm Beach, Florida hotel room on April 25, 1984. David never married or had any children. Mary Courtney Kennedy (born 1956) – divorced from Jeffrey Robert Ruhe and legally separated from Paul Michael Hill; has one daughter with Paul. Michael LeMoyne Kennedy, Sr. (1958–1997) – died in an Aspen, Colorado skiing accident on December 31, 1997. Married Victoria Denise Gifford, daughter of Francis Newton "Frank" Gifford and Maxine Avis Ewart. Michael and Victoria had three children. Mary Kerry Kennedy (born 1959) – human rights activist with the Robert F. Kennedy Center for Justice and Human Rights. Divorced from New York Governor Andrew Mark Cuomo, son of Mario Matthew Cuomo and Matilda Raffa. Kerry and Andrew had three daughters. Christopher George Kennedy, Sr. (born 1963) – the president of Merchandise Mart commercial properties based in Chicago. Married Sheila Sinclair Berner; has four children. Godmother was aunt Pat. Matthew Maxwell Taylor "Max" Kennedy, Sr. (born 1965) – an author and lawyer. Married Victoria Anne Stauss; has three children. Douglas Harriman Kennedy (born 1967) – a journalist, news reporter for FOX News. Married Mary Elizabeth Stark; has four children. Rory Elizabeth Katherine Kennedy (born 1968) – an award-winning documentary filmmaker and producer. Married Mark Bailey; has three children. Jean Ann Kennedy and Stephen Edward Smith, Sr. had two sons: Stephen Edward Smith, Jr. (born 1957) – attorney, crisis counselor and real estate developer. Stephen, Jr. has never married or had children. William Kennedy Smith (born 1960) – a physician and activist against land mines. Married Anne Henry; has one daughter. Acquitted in 1991 of rape charges. Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy, Sr. (1932–2009) and Virginia Joan Bennett had three children: Kara Anne Kennedy (1960–2011) – board member, television producer. Married and later divorced from Michael Dale Allen; had two children. Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy, Jr. (born 1961) – a co-founder and the president of the Marwood Group, a Wall Street investment firm. Married Katherine Anne "Kiki" Gershman; has two children. Patrick Joseph Kennedy II (born 1967) – former U.S. Representative from Rhode Island. Married Amy Savell, daughter of Jerry and Leni Savell. Patrick and Amy have one son. Charles Joseph Burke, Jr. and Ellen Therea Kelley had one daughter: Terry Burke Fifth generation Caroline Bouvier Kennedy (born 1957) and Edwin Arthur Schlossberg (born 1945) have three children: Rose Kennedy Schlossberg (born 1988) Tatiana Celia Kennedy Schlossberg (born 1990) John Bouvier Kennedy "Jack" Schlossberg (born 1993) Robert Sargent "Bobby" Shriver III (born 1954) and Malissa Feruzzi (born 1963) have one daughter Rosemary Scarlett Shriver (born 2009) Maria Owings Shriver (born 1955) and Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger (born 1947) have four children: Katherine Eunice Schwarzenegger (born 1989) Christina Maria Aurelia Schwarzenegger (born 1991) Patrick Arnold Shriver Schwarzenegger (born 1993) Christopher Sargent Shriver Schwarzenegger (born 1997) Timothy Perry Shriver (born 1959) and Linda Sophia Potter (born 1956) have five children: Sophia Rose Potter Shriver (born 1987) Timothy Potter Shriver (born 1988) Samuel Kennedy Potter Shriver (born 1992) Kathleen Potter Shriver (born 1994) Caroline Potter Shriver (born 1997) Mark Kennedy Shriver (born 1964) and Jeanne Eileen "Jeannie" Ripp (born 1965) have three children: Mary Elizabeth "Molly" Shriver (born 1998) Thomas Kennedy "Tommy" Shriver (born 1999) Emma Rose Shriver (born 2005) Anthony Paul Kennedy Shriver (born 1965) and Alina Mojica (born 1965) have four children: Eunice Julia Shriver (born 1994) Francesca Maria Shriver (born 1994) Carolina Fitzgerald Shriver (born 2001) John Joseph Sargent Shriver (born 2009) Christopher Kennedy Lawford (born 1955) and Jean Edith "Jeannie" Olsson (born 1955) had three children: David Christopher Kennedy Lawford (born 1987) Savannah Rose Lawford (born 1990) Matthew Peter Valentine Lawford (born 1995) Sydney Maleia Kennedy Lawford (born 1956) and James Peter McKelvy, Sr. (born 1954) have four sons: James Peter McKelvy, Jr. (born 1985) Christopher Kennedy McKelvy (born 1987) Patrick Ryon McKelvy (born 1989) Anthony Lawford McKelvy (born 1992) Victoria Francis Lawford (born 1958) and Robert Beebe Pender, Jr. (born 1953) have three daughters: Alexandra Lawford "Alex" Pender (born 1988) Caroline Patricia Pender (born 1990) Victoria Rose Pender (born 1993) Kathleen Hartington Kennedy (born 1951) and David Lee Townsend (born 1947) have four daughters: Meaghan Ann Kennedy Townsend (born 1977) Maeve Fahey Kennedy Townsend (born 1979). Married David John McKean (born 1982), has one son Rose Katherine "Kat" Kennedy Townsend (born 1983) Kerry Sophia Kennedy Townsend (born 1991) Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy III (born 1952) had twin sons with his first wife, Sheila Brewster Rauch (born 1949): Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy IV (born 1980) – on November 7, 2012, elected to congress for Massachusetts's 4th congressional district married Lauren Anne Birchfield (born 1985), daughter of James and Marta Birchfield Matthew Rauch Kennedy (born 1980) married Katherine Lee Manning (born 1982), daughter of Michael B. Manning and Diana Lee Robert Francis Kennedy, Jr. (born 1954) had two children with his first wife, Emily Ruth Black (born 1957): Robert Francis Kennedy III (born 1984) Kathleen Alexandra Kennedy (born 1988) Robert Francis Kennedy, Jr. (born 1954) had four children with his second wife, Mary Nancy Richardson (1959–2012): Conor Richardson Kennedy (born 1994) Kyra LeMoyne Kennedy (born 1995) William Finbar "Finn" Kennedy (born 1997) Aidan Caohman Vieques Kennedy (born 2001) Mary Courtney Kennedy (born 1956) had one daughter with her second husband, Paul Michael Hill (born 1954): Saoirse Roisin Hill (born 1997) Michael LeMoyne Kennedy, Sr. (1958–1997) and Victoria Denise Gifford (born 1957) had three children: Michael LeMoyne Kennedy, Jr. (born 1983) Married Mary Campbell Kyle Frances Kennedy (born 1984) Married Liam Nash Kerr (born 1983) Rory Gifford Kennedy (born 1987) Mary Kerry Kennedy (born 1959) and Andrew Mark Cuomo (born 1958) had three children: Mariah Matilda Kennedy Cuomo (born 1995) [Twin] Cara Ethel Kennedy Cuomo (born 1995) [Twin] Michaela Andrea Kennedy Cuomo (born 1997) Christopher George Kennedy, Sr. (born 1963) and Sheila Sinclair Berner (born 1962) had four children: Katherine Berner "Kate" Kennedy (born 1990) Christopher George Kennedy, Jr. (born 1992) Sarah Louise Kennedy (born 1994) Clare Rose Kennedy (born 1998) Matthew Maxwell Taylor "Max" Kennedy, Sr. (born 1965) and Victoria Anne Strauss (born 1964) had three children: Matthew Maxwell Taylor Kennedy, Jr. (born 1993) Caroline Summer Rose Kennedy (born 1994) Noah Isabella Rose Kennedy (born 1998) Douglas Harriman Kennedy (born 1967) and Mary Elizabeth "Molly" Stark (born 1967) had four children: Riley Elizabeth Kennedy (born 1999) Mary McCauley Kennedy (born 2001) Rowen Francis Kennedy (born 2004) Anthony Boru Kennedy (born 2012) Rory Elizabeth Katherine Kennedy (born 1968) and Mark Bailey (born 1968) had three children: Georgia Elizabeth Kennedy-Bailey (born 2002) Bridget Katherine Kennedy-Bailey (born 2004) Zachary Corkland Kennedy-Bailey (born 2007) William Kennedy Smith (born 1960) and Anne Henry (born 1978) have one daughter: India Rose Smith (born 2012) Kara Anne Kennedy (1960–2011) and Michael Dale Allen (born 1958) had two children: Grace Kennedy Allen (born 1994) Max Greathouse Allen (born 1996) Edward Moore "Ted" Kennedy, Jr. (born 1961) and Katherine Anne "Kiki" Gershman (born 1959) had two children: Kiley Elizabeth Kennedy (born 1994) Edward Moore Kennedy III (born 1998) Patrick Joseph Kennedy II (born 1967) and Amy Savell (born 1975) have one son: Owen Patrick Kennedy (born 2012) Sixth generation Maeve Fahey Kennedy Townsend (born 1979) and David John McKean have one son: Gideon Joseph Kennedy McKean (born 2011). Family tree John KENNEDY I (1738–1803) x Bridget SHALLOW (1744–1774) └──> James KENNEDY, Sr. (1770 in Dunganstown – 1835) x Maria (maiden name unknown) (1779 – February 16, 1835) ├──> Mary KENNEDY │   x James MOLLOY ├──> John KENNEDY II (1804–1864), farmer │   x Mary K. GUNNIP (1816–1881) ├──> James KENNEDY, Jr. (1816–1881), farmer │   x Catherine COLFER └──> Patrick KENNEDY (1823 in Dunganstown – November 22, 1858 in Boston), farmer x (September 26, 1849 in Boston) Bridget MURPHY (1824 in Dunganstown – December 20, 1888 in Boston) ├──> Mary L. KENNEDY (August 6, 1851 – March 7, 1926) │   x (January 1, 1883) Lawrence M. KANE │   ├──>  Joseph Lawrence Kane (November 29, 1883 — March 19, 1967) │   ├──>  Mary Margaret Kane (August 25, 1885 — September 14, 1885) │   ├──>  George Philip Kane (September 8, 1888 — July 6, 1954) │   ├──>  Gertrude Margaret Kane (May 26, 1890 — January 14, 1969) │   └──>  Frederick Kane (1892 — October 15, 1897) ├──> Joanna L. KENNEDY (November 27, 1852 – February 23, 1926) │   x (September 22, 1872) Humphrey Charles MAHONEY │   ├──>  Daniel Mahoney (October 14, 1873 — November 20, 1875) │   ├──>  Mary E. Mahoney (October 18, 1875 — December 7, 1875) │   ├──>  William Henry Mahoney (May 17, 1878 — May 10, 1879) │   ├──>  Frances Josephine Mahoney (March 2, 1880 — April 13, 1963) │   ├──>  Annie Mahoney (February 13, 1883 — May 7, 1889) │   ├──>  Henry Joseph Mahoney (October 15, 1884 — February 3, 1961) │   ├──>  Gertrude Mahoney (October 7, 1886 — July 27, 1887) │   └──>  Frederick Louis Mahoney (August 21, 1890 — October 26, 1965) ├──> John KENNEDY III (January 4, 1854 – September 24, 1855) ├──> Margaret M. KENNEDY (July 18, 1855 – April 2, 1929) │   x (February 21, 1882) John Thomas CAULFIELD │   ├──>  Mary Frances Caulfield (February 8, 1884 — June 14, 1938) │   │     x Alexander G. Crawford │   ├──>  Frederick Caulfield (June 20, 1886 — ?) │   ├──>  Edith M. Caulfield (April 8, 1888 — April 6, 1943) │   ├──>  Henry R. Caulfield (May 1889 — April 27, 1925) │   ├──>  Florence J. Caulfield (November 19, 1891 — August 10, 1892) │   ├──>  Elsie G. Caulfield (October 1894 — February 8, 1914) │   ├──>  Jeanette Dorothea Caulfield (Feb 1896 —June 1, 1953) │   └──>  John Theodore Caulfield (June 3, 1899 — August 18, 1966) └──> Patrick Joseph "P. J." KENNEDY I (January 14, 1858 in Boston – May 18, 1929 in Boston), businessman, politician x (November 23, 1887 in Boston) Mary Augusta HICKEY (December 6, 1857 in Winthrop, Massachusetts – May 20, 1923 in Boston) ├──> Joseph Patrick "Joe" KENNEDY, Sr. (September 6, 1888 in Boston – November 18, 1969 in Hyannis, Massachusetts), politician, diplomat │   x (October 7, 1914 in Boston) Rose Elizabeth FITZGERALD (July 22, 1890 in Boston – January 22, 1995), philanthropist │   ├──> Joseph Patrick "Joe" KENNEDY, Jr. (July 25, 1915 in Brookline, Massachusetts – August 12, 1944), World War II Casualty │   ├──> John Fitzgerald "Jack" KENNEDY, Sr. (May 29, 1917 in Brookline, Massachusetts – November 22, 1963 in Dallas), President of the United States │   │    x (September 12, 1953 in Newport) Jacqueline Lee "Jackie" BOUVIER (July 28, 1929 in Southampton, New York – May 19, 1994 in New York City), journalist, editor │   │    ├──> Arabella KENNEDY (August 23, 1956 – August 23, 1956) (stillborn) │   │    ├──> Caroline Bouvier KENNEDY (November 27, 1957 in New York City), author, editor, attorney │   │    │    x (July 19, 1986) Edwin Arthur SCHLOSSBERG (July 19, 1945), architect, designer │   │    │    ├──> Rose Kennedy SCHLOSSBERG (June 25, 1988 in New York City) │   │    │    ├──> Tatiana Celia Kennedy SCHLOSSBERG (May 5, 1990 in New York City) │   │    │    └──> John Bouvier Kennedy "Jack" SCHLOSSBERG (January 19, 1993 in New York City) │   │    ├──> John Fitzgerald "John-John" KENNEDY, Jr. (November 25, 1960 in Washington, D.C. – July 16, 1999 in Martha's Vineyard), attorney │   │    │    x (September 21, 1996) Carolyn Jeanne BESSETTE (January 7, 1966 in White Plains, New York – July 16, 1999 in Martha's Vineyard) │   │    └──> Patrick Bouvier KENNEDY (August 7, 1963 in Bourne, Massachusetts – August 9, 1963 in Boston) │   ├──> Rose Marie "Rosemary" KENNEDY (September 13, 1918 in Brookline, Massachusetts – January 7, 2005 in Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin) │   ├──> Kathleen Agnes "Kick" KENNEDY (February 20, 1920 in Brookline, Massachusetts – May 13, 1948 in Saint-Bauzile, Ardèche), Marchioness of Hartington │   │    x (May 6, 1944 in London) William John Robert "Billy" CAVENDISH (December 10, 1917 – September 9, 1944), Marquess of Hartington │   ├──> Eunice Mary KENNEDY (July 10, 1921 in Brookline, Massachusetts – August 11, 2009 in Hyannis, Massachusetts), founder of Special Olympics │   │    x (May 23, 1953 in New York City) Robert Sargent "Sarge" SHRIVER, Jr. (November 9, 1915 in Westminster, Maryland – January 18, 2011 in Bethesda, Maryland), jurist, politician │   │    ├──> Robert Sargent "Bobby" SHRIVER III (April 28, 1954 in Chicago), attorney, journalist, producer │   │    │    x (May 7, 2005) Malissa FERUZZI, actress │   │    │    └──> Rosemary Scarlett SHRIVER (2009) │   │    ├──> Maria Owings SHRIVER (November 6, 1955 in Chicago), journalist │   │    │    x (April 26, 1986 in Hyannis, Massachusetts – 2011) Arnold Alois SCHWARZENEGGER (July 30, 1947 in Thal, Styria), actor, politician │   │    │    ├──> Katherine Eunice SCHWARZENEGGER (December 13, 1989 in Los Angeles), writer │   │    │    ├──> Christina Maria Aurelia SCHWARZENEGGER (July 23, 1991 in Los Angeles) │   │    │    ├──> Patrick Arnold Shriver SCHWARZENEGGER (September 18, 1993 in Los Angeles), model, entrepreneur, actor │   │    │    └──> Christopher Sargent Shriver SCHWARZENEGGER (September 27, 1997 in Los Angeles) │   │    ├──> Timothy Perry SHRIVER (August 29, 1959 in Boston), Chairman of Special Olympics │   │    │    x (May 31, 1986) Linda Sophia POTTER (June 13, 1956) │   │    │    ├──> Sophia Rose Potter SHRIVER (1987) │   │    │    ├──> Timothy Potter SHRIVER (1988) │   │    │    ├──> Samuel Kennedy Potter SHRIVER (1992) │   │    │    ├──> Kathleen Potter SHRIVER (1994) │   │    │    └──> Caroline Potter SHRIVER (1998) │   │    ├──> Mark Kennedy SHRIVER (February 17, 1964 in Washington, D.C.), politician │   │    │    x (June 26, 1992) Jeanne Eileen "Jeannie" RIPP (November 30, 1965) │   │    │    ├──> Mary Elizabeth "Molly" SHRIVER (1998) │   │    │    ├──> Thomas Kennedy SHRIVER (1999) │   │    │    └──> Emma Rose SHRIVER (2005) │   │    └──> Anthony Paul Kennedy SHRIVER (July 20, 1965 in Boston) │   │         x (July 2, 1993 in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts) Alina MOJICA (January 5, 1965 in Havana) │   │         ├──> Eunice Julia SHRIVER (1994) │   │         ├──> Francesca Maria SHRIVER (1994) │   │         ├──> Carolina Fitzgerald SHRIVER (2001) │   │         └──> John Joseph Sargent SHRIVER (2009) │   ├──> Patricia Helen "Pat" KENNEDY (May 6, 1924 in Brookline, Massachusetts – September 17, 2006 in New York City) │   │    x (April 24, 1954 in New York City – 1966) Peter Sydney Ernest LAWFORD (September 7, 1923 in London – December 24, 1984 in Los Angeles), actor │   │    ├──> Christopher Kennedy LAWFORD (March 29, 1955 in Santa Monica, California), author, actor │   │    │    x (November 17, 1984) Jean Edith "Jeannie" OLSSON (1955) │   │    │    ├──> David Christopher Kennedy LAWFORD (1987) │   │    │    ├──> Savannah Rose LAWFORD (1990) │   │    │    └──> Matthew Peter Valentine LAWFORD (1995) │   │    ├──> Sydney Maleia Kennedy LAWFORD (August 25, 1956 in Santa Monica, California) │   │    │    x James Peter McKELVY, Sr. (1955) │   │    │    ├──> James Peter McKELVY, Jr. (1985) │   │    │    ├──> Christopher Kennedy McKELVY (1987) │   │    │    ├──> Patrick Ryon McKELVY (1989) │   │    │    └──> Anthony Lawford McKELVY (1992) │   │    ├──> Victoria Francis LAWFORD (November 4, 1958 in Santa Monica, California) │   │    │    x Robert Beebe PENDER, Jr. (1953) │   │    │    ├──> Alexandra Lawford PENDER (1988) │   │    │    ├──> Caroline Patricia PENDER (1990) │   │    │    └──> Victoria Rose PENDER (1993) │   │    └──> Robin Elizabeth LAWFORD (July 2, 1961 in San Francisco), environmentalist, marine biologist │   ├──> Robert Francis "Bobby" KENNEDY, Sr. (November 20, 1925 in Brookline, Massachusetts – June 6, 1968 in Los Angeles), lawyer, senator │   │    x (June 17, 1950) Ethel SKAKEL (April 11, 1928 in Chicago) │   │    ├──> Kathleen Hartington KENNEDY (July 4, 1951 in Greenwich, Connecticut), politician, lieutenant governor of Maryland │   │    │    x (November 17, 1973) David Lee TOWNSEND (1947) │   │    │    ├──> Meaghan Ann Kennedy TOWNSEND (November 7, 1977 in Santa Fe, New Mexico) │   │    │    ├──> Maeve Fahey Kennedy TOWNSEND (November 1, 1979 in New Haven) │   │    │    │    x David John McKEAN (1982) │   │    │    │    └──> Gideon Joseph Kennedy McKEAN (June 27, 2011) │   │    │    ├──> Rose Katherine Kennedy TOWNSEND (December 17, 1983 in Boston) │   │    │    └──> Kerry Sophia Kennedy TOWNSEND (November 30, 1991 in Washington, D.C.) │   │    ├──> Joseph Patrick "Joe" KENNEDY III (September 24, 1952 in Boston), businessman, politician │   │    │    x (February 3, 1979 in Gladwyne, Pennsylvania – 1991) Sheila Brewster RAUCH (March 22, 1949) │   │    │    ├──> Joseph Patrick "Joe" KENNEDY IV (October 4, 1980 in Boston), attorney │   │    │    │    x (December 1, 2012) Lauren Anne BIRCHFIELD │   │    │    ├──> Matthew Rauch KENNEDY (October 4, 1980 in Boston) │   │    │    │    x (July 7, 2012) Katherine Lee MANNING │   │    │    x (October 23, 1993) Anne Elizabeth "Beth" KELLEY (April 3, 1957) │   │    ├──> Robert Francis KENNEDY, Jr. (January 17, 1954 in Washington, D.C.), politician, attorney specializing in environmental law │   │    │    x (April 3, 1982 in Bloomington, Indiana – 1994) Emily Ruth BLACK (October 15, 1957) │   │    │    ├──> Robert Francis KENNEDY III (September 2, 1984) │   │    │    ├──> Kathleen Alexandra KENNEDY (April 13, 1988) │   │    │    x (April 15, 1994 – May 16, 2012) Mary Nancy RICHARDSON (October 4, 1959 – May 16, 2012 in Bedford), architect │   │    │    ├──> Conor Richardson KENNEDY (July 24, 1994) │   │    │    ├──> Kyra LeMoyne KENNEDY (August 27, 1995) │   │    │    ├──> William Finbar KENNEDY (November 8, 1997) │   │    │    └──> Aidan Caohman Vieques KENNEDY (2001) │   │    ├──> David Anthony KENNEDY (June 15, 1955 in Washington, D.C. – April 25, 1984 in Palm Beach, Florida) │   │    ├──> Mary Courtney KENNEDY (September 9, 1956 in Boston) │   │    │    x (June 14, 1980 – 1990) Jeffrey Robert RUHE (1952) │   │    │    x (June 26, 1993 – present, separated February 2006) Paul Michael HILL (August 13, 1954) │   │    │    └──> Saoirse Roisin HILL (May 22, 1997 in Washington, D.C.) │   │    ├──> Michael LeMoyne KENNEDY, Sr. (February 27, 1958 in Washington, D.C. – December 31, 1997 in Aspen) │   │    │    x (March 14, 1981 in New York City) Victoria Denise GIFFORD (February 20, 1957) │   │    │    ├──> Michael LeMoyne KENNEDY, Jr. (January 9, 1983 in Charlottesville, Virginia) │   │    │    │    x (September 22, 2012) Mary CAMPBELL │   │    │    ├──> Kyle Francis KENNEDY (July 6, 1984, Washington, D.C.) │   │    │    │    x (August 18, 2012) Liam Nash KERR │   │    │    └──> Rory Gifford KENNEDY (November 14, 1987 in Boston) │   │    ├──> Mary Kerry KENNEDY (September 8, 1959 in Washington, D.C.), human rights activist │   │    │    x (1991–2005) Andrew Mark CUOMO (December 6, 1957 in New York City), politician, governor of New York │   │    │    ├──> Mariah Matilda Kennedy CUOMO (1995) │   │    │    ├──> Cara Ethel Kennedy CUOMO (1995) │   │    │    └──> Michaela Andrea Kennedy CUOMO (1997) │   │    ├──> Christopher George KENNEDY, Sr. (July 4, 1963 in Boston), businessman │   │    │    x (August 15, 1987) Sheila Sinclair BERNER (December 4, 1962) │   │    │    ├──> Katherine Berner KENNEDY (October 4, 1990) │   │    │    ├──> Christopher George KENNEDY, Jr. (June 15, 1992) │   │    │    ├──> Sarah Louise KENNEDY (September 26, 1994) │   │    │    └──> Clare Rose KENNEDY (November 3, 1998) │   │    ├──> Matthew Maxwell Taylor "Max" KENNEDY, Sr. (January 11, 1965 New York City), author, attorney │   │    │    x (July 13, 1991 in Philadelphia) Victoria Anne STRAUSS (February 10, 1964) │   │    │    ├──> Matthew Maxwell Taylor KENNEDY, Jr. (September 18, 1993) │   │    │    ├──> Caroline Summer Rose KENNEDY (December 29, 1994) │   │    │    └──> Noah Isabella Rose KENNEDY (July 9, 1998) │   │    ├──> Douglas Harriman KENNEDY (March 24, 1967 in Washington, D.C.), journalist │   │    │    x (August 22, 1998) Mary Elizabeth "Molly" STARK (1969) │   │    │    ├──> Riley Elizabeth KENNEDY (August 26, 1999 in Nantucket) │   │    │    ├──> Mary McCauley KENNEDY (August 22, 2001) │   │    │    ├──> Rowen Francis KENNEDY (June 2004) │   │    │    ├──> Anthony Boru KENNEDY (January 2012) │   │    └──> Rory Elizabeth Katherine KENNEDY (December 12, 1968 in Washington, D.C.), documentary filmmaker and producer │   │         x (August 2, 1999) Mark BAILEY (1968) │   │         ├──> Georgia Elizabeth KENNEDY-BAILEY (September 30, 2002) │   │         ├──> Bridget Katherine KENNEDY-BAILEY (July 2004) │   │         └──> Zachary Corkland KENNEDY-BAILEY (July 16, 2007) │   ├──> Jean Ann KENNEDY (February 20, 1928 in Brookline, Massachusetts), United States Ambassador to Ireland │   │    x (May 19, 1956) Stephen Edward SMITH, Sr. (September 24, 1927 in Bayport, New York – August 19, 1990 in New York City), businessman, political strategist │   │    ├──> Stephen Edward SMITH, Jr. (1957), attorney │   │    └──> William Kennedy SMITH (September 4, 1960 in Brighton, Massachusetts), physician │   │         x Anne HENRY │   │         └──> India Rose Smith (2012) │   └──> Edward Moore "Ted" KENNEDY, Sr. (February 22, 1932 in Boston – August 25, 2009 in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts), journalist, politician │        x (November 29, 1958 – 1982) Virginia Joan BENNETT (September 9, 1936 in New York City), model │        ├──> Kara Anne KENNEDY (February 27, 1960 in Eastchester, New York – September 16, 2011 in Washington, D.C.), television producer, film producer │        │    x (September 1990 – 2011) Michael Dale ALLEN (1958) │        │    ├──> Grace Kennedy ALLEN (September 19, 1994 in Washington, D.C.) │        │    └──> Max Greathouse ALLEN (December 20, 1996 in Rockville, Maryland) │        ├──> Edward Moore "Ted" KENNEDY, Jr. (September 26, 1961 in Boston), entrepreneur, investment banker and lawyer │        │    x (November 9, 1993) Katherine Anne "Kiki" GERSHMAN (June 9, 1959) │        │    ├──> Kiley Elizabeth KENNEDY (August 7, 1994 in New Haven, Connecticut) │        │    └──> Edward Moore KENNEDY III (February 25, 1998 in New Haven, Connecticut) │        ├──> Patrick Joseph KENNEDY II (July 14, 1967 in Brighton, Massachusetts), politician │        │    x (July 15, 2011) Amy SAVELL (1975), sixth-grade history teacher │        │    └──> Owen Patrick KENNEDY (April 15, 2012) │        x (July 3, 1992 in McLean, Virginia) Victoria Anne "Vicki" REGGIE (February 26, 1954 in Crowley, Louisiana), attorney ├──> Francis Benedict KENNEDY (March 11, 1891 – June 14, 1892) ├──> Mary Loretta KENNEDY (August 6, 1892 – November 18, 1972) │   x (October 12, 1927 in Winthrop, Massachusetts) George William CONNELLY (June 10, 1898 – August 29, 1971) │   └──> Mary Louise CONNELLY (1928) │        x Matthew James McCARTHY (1926) └──> Margaret Louise KENNEDY (October 22, 1898 – November 14, 1974) x (June 14, 1924) Charles Joseph BURKE, Sr. (August 23, 1899 – April 5, 1967) ├──> Margaret Louise BURKE (April 2, 1926) │   x John Bernard DEVINE (1920) ├──> Charles Joseph BURKE, Jr. (May 5, 1928) │   x  Ellen Therea KELLEY │   └──>  Terry BURKE │   x (February 4, 1976 in Newton, Massachusetts) Claire COLITON (November 11, 1935) └──> Thomas Francis BURKE II (May 25, 1933) x Gertrude Ann MILLER (October 10, 1936)

Jrkane (talk) 23:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * all of that would need to be supported with reliable sources. There's already a template in place with a family tree, anyway.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 23:51, 4 December 2014 (UTC)