Talk:Kenneth Ouriel

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Dr. Kenneth Ouriel has published a extensively in the New England Journal of Medicine. Google it; you'll see what I mean. So it's possible for doctors (who know about vascular medicine) to expand this article significantly. Article still needs a picture as well as a birthday. If he graduated 1977 from Rochester, he graduated 1973 from high school, subtract 16 (age at graduation) then birthday probably in 1957 or 1956 or 1958?--Tomwsulcer (talk) 02:01, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

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Request article updates and corrections - August 2023
I am a colleague of the article subject, Dr. Kenneth Ouriel. Since I have a conflict of interest, I am asking that experienced editors review my recommendations.

ONE:
Please replace the lead’s first sentence with the following new version.

Text to change:

Kenneth Ouriel (born October 21, 1956) is a vascular surgeon and medical researcher.

Recommended new text:

Kenneth Ouriel (born October 21, 1956) is a vascular surgeon, medical researcher,  and business executive.

Reasoning for the Change:

In the past fifteen or so years, Ouriel has held several executive roles in businesses related to his original field of medicine. I also provide new sources to replace the dead link cited earlier in this sentence and added a citation for medical researcher.

The 1998 Chicago Tribune article isn’t available on the internet, so here’s the what it says about Ouriel:

Although people who received the clot-dissolving medicines faced a higher risk of unnecessary bleeding, the medicines reduced the need for surgery "with no significant increased risk of amputation or death," the research team said. Therefore, the drugs can often "offer patients definitive treatment with less accompanying trauma than major surgery," said the researchers, led by Dr. Kenneth Ouriel of the University of Rochester School of Medicine and Dentistry.


 * ❌. I need to see evidence of reliable sources calling Ouriel a businessman/executive. Note that you can still cite an article without a url, just use other signifiers such as issn, date, author (see here). Pabsoluterince (talk) 22:38, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


 * User:Pabsoluterince Since the article in question explicitly uses the term “CEO” to describe Dr. Ouriel, would that (or “chief executive officer”) be an acceptable alternative for “business executive” then? If yes, could you please implement that addition instead?
 * Here’s that same sentence with the new wording:
 * Kenneth Ouriel (born October 21, 1956) is a vascular surgeon, medical researcher,  and company Chief executive officer.  Redwings18 (talk) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I think business executive is fine per the Arabian Business source. Calling someone a "chief executive officer" on is a bit awkward. Usually someone is described as a CEO of something (cf. calling someone "a Prime Minister"). I'd recommend going with the original wording. WhinyTheYounger ※ Talk 18:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for weighing in. I cannot make this change and the other user hasn't done it. Would you please do this for me?  It would be much appreciated. Redwings18 (talk) 15:42, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

TWO:
Please move the first five sentences of the first paragraph in the Career section into a new section called “Early life and education”.

Here are the sentences to be moved:

Ouriel was born in Rochester, New York, entered college at age 16, majored in biology and psychology at the University of Rochester and belonged to the fraternity Alpha Delta Phi. He was elected to Phi Beta Kappa in 1976 and graduated summa cum laude in 1977. He studied medicine at the University of Chicago and graduated in 1981 with Honors. He began a residency in general surgery at the University of Rochester Medical Center and completed a vascular surgical fellowship in 1987. He got a National Institutes of Health grant to study thrombosis and published results from a large, multicenter randomized trial of clot busting therapy in The New England Journal of Medicine in 1998.

Reasoning for the Change:

The typical structure of biographical Wikipedia articles is to have an “Early life and education” section follow the lead.
 * ✅. Pabsoluterince (talk) 23:00, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

THREE
Please change the first sentence in the third paragraph of the Career section.

Text to change:

Ouriel led a team from the Cleveland Clinic to Abu Dhabi in 2007 to manage an existing hospital, the Sheikh Khalifa Medical Center, and to build a world class hospital called the Cleveland Clinic Abu Dhabi which is scheduled to open in 2013.

Recommended new text:

In June 2007, Ouriel became chief executive officer of Sheikh Khalifa Medical City in Abu Dhabi, when Cleveland Clinic and the Abu Dhabi health authority formed a partnership in which the Clinic took over management of the health care facilities.

Reasoning for the Change:

The proposed replacement provides specific information supported by reliable sources, and also removes the language “world class hospital.”


 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 20:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

FOUR:
Please remove the fifth sentence of the third paragraph in the Career section.

Career section sentence to remove:

Ouriel treated Middle Eastern rulers including Sheikh Zayed of Abu Dhabi in 2000, Sheikh Maktoum of Dubai in 2004, and the former Emir of Kuwait, Sheikh Sabah in 2005.

Reasoning for the Change:

The information in this sentence is unsourced and appears to be original research. (The next source in the article at the end of the following sentence does not support this sentence, either.)


 * ✅. Pabsoluterince (talk) 23:44, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

FIVE:
Please replace the third sentence in the current Lead section.

Text to change in Lead:

In the middle 2000s, Ouriel went to Dubai as CEO to help build a world-class hospital; he treated several Middle Eastern rulers in addition to his administrative duties.

Recommended new text:

In 2007, Ouriel was appointed the chief executive officer of Sheikh Khalifa Medical City in Abu Dhabi.

Reasoning for the Change:

The existing sentence contains vague, unsourced claims about Ouriel treating Middle Eastern rulers (see Item Four above). The condensed version preserves the most important part of the existing version in a more neutral way (deleted “world-class hospital”) and removes the unsubstantiated information.
 * ✅ STEM info  (talk) 21:04, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

SIX
Please remove the second sentence of the fourth paragraph in the Career section.

Sentence to remove:

He is quoted in newspapers regarding medical subjects.

Reasoning for the Change:

This statement is original research since it appears to be an original interpretation of two New York Times articles that quoted Ouriel on various medical topics. The sources don’t see he gets quoted a lot. In any case, it doesn’t seem encyclopedic to say an expert is quoted in the news.
 * ✅ agreed STEM info  (talk) 23:32, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

SEVEN
Please replace the final paragraph of the Career section.

Current text to remove:

In 2010, Ouriel founded Syntactx, a contract research organization that assists medical device, pharmaceutical, and diagnostic laboratory companies with the design and execution of clinical research trials. Ranked #241 on the 2015 Inc. 500 list of the fastest-growing private companies in America, Syntactx is headquartered in New York City and has offices in Belgium, and it partners with firms across the United States and in Europe.

Recommended new text:

In 2010, Ouriel founded Syntactx, A contract medical research company that provides support for diagnostic labs, medical device and pharmaceutical companies in designing and carrying out clinical research trials, and thereafter led the company. It was announced in January 2021 that Syntactx was acquired by North American Science Associates (NAMSA).

Reasoning for the Change:

Fixing dead links; better sources; removing and replacing plagiarism; updates with acquisition of a company.
 * ✅ The sources support the new content. Fixed typo with capitalization. STEM info  (talk) 23:39, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
 * And FYI, astutely fixed a ref error that I mistakenly inserted when I copied the proposed code. The ref name Inc was never defined in the article because the original change with it above was rejected, even though it shows up as a full ref in the below ref section. I'll do a better job of previewing the edit requests next time before accepting them to see if there are any ref name errors.  STEM info  (talk) 00:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

EIGHT
Please add the following entries to the Publications section of this article:

A comparison of recombinant urokinase with vascular surgery as initial treatment for acute arterial occlusion of the legs. Thrombolysis or Peripheral Arterial Surgery (TOPAS)

Peripheral arterial disease

Reporting standards for adverse events after medical device use in the peripheral vascular system

Reasoning for the Change:

Presently only the textbooks Ouriel has authored are in this section, but these three papers are also significant examples of his work as a medical researcher. They are all widely cited and were published in high impact factor journals within the field of vascular surgery research (or within the larger area of medical research in general).

Thank you for considering these ideas to improve this article. Redwings18 (talk) 17:17, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ I checked Google scholar, and the first two had more hits than the third, but I included them all. I don't know the current consensus guidelines for research paper inclusion, but if 34 isn't high enough, feel free to remove it. I also reformatted the text, and removed a template code that was mistakenly added. STEM info  (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2023 (UTC)