Talk:Kenny Dalglish/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Wizardman  Operation Big Bear 03:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I'll review this article shortly. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 03:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Here are the issues I found:
 * The citation needed tag has to be addressed.
 * There are many unsourced sections throughout the article. As a rule, each paragraph needs at least one source.
 * There are many bare urls as refs; make sure titles, publishers, dates, accessdates, etc. are added.

Unfortunately, those above points signify a quick-fail, since basic issues didn't seem to be addressed before this was nominated. Here are some more points to fix as well after reading the article:
 * There are multiple deadlinks that need fixing: see here.
 * authors in refs should have last name then first
 * "Dalglish, the son of an engineer, grew up supporting Rangers" write as Rangers F.C., since it may throw people off as is.
 * "he was brought up in Milton in the north of Glasgow " on the north side of, rather? if writing it like that is normal in British English then nevermind.
 * "also the same place where rival coach Sir Alex Ferguson was born" can probably be removed, doesn't tell us that much.
 * "Dalglish signed his provisional contract with Celtic in May 1967" linking Celtic here would be helpful, though it already is in the lead.
 * "as an apprentice joiner." link or note what a joiner is.
 * Give the full name for Stein and link on first mention.
 * "Dalglish instead signed for Celtic" with Celtic
 * "Dalglish scored his first competitive goal for Celtic, via the penalty spot" just saying via penalty would make it clearer.
 * "Dalglish moved to Liverpool for a British record £440,000 transfer fee" add an inflation template.
 * "Dalglish was made Celtic captain in 1975–76. However, Stein was badly hurt in a car crash and missed most of the season" Not clear how these two connect.
 * There seems to be overuse of adjective modifiers (i.e. "Dalglish's departure was extremely unpopular with the Celtic fans", "Rush thrived alongside Dalglish"). They're okay to use a couple times in the article when they're directly sourced, but in this article they need to be toned down a bit.
 * The structure of the article and the prose is not very good. It reads as if each sentence is its own paragraph and independent thought without flow. Combine 1 and 2 sentence paragraphs together, and from there fine tune the prose to make sure it flows well. (I did the lead as an example; the Celtic section in particular is where I have this issue.)
 * "Dalglish was an ever present" ever present
 * "and was ever-present once again" so is ever present hyphenated or not? I stopped the prose review about here.

Due to the above points, I'm going to fail this article as a GA. Once the above points are fixed, I would recommend sending it to a peer review to get everything fine tuned. The article should be GA ready once both those steps are undertaken. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 15:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to do this and for being so thorough. There is clearly a lot of work that needs doing; I hope to address the main points you raise over the next few days, and then think about other ways of improving the article, fine-tuning etc. After that we can reconsider resubmitting it. Progress may be slow (especially when it comes to getting more KD images for WP), but on the other hand there is no real rush, I suppose:) I also think that the article still has great potential. Regards, Jprw (talk) 05:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I've gone through the article up until the end of the playing career section. It needed a lot of work and probably could do with another once-over. I also understand now how spot-on Wizardman's comments were. I'll try and get round to improving the rest of the article in the next few days. Jprw (talk) 13:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)