Talk:Kennywood

Pittsburgh Phrase
Pittsburgh has many colorful phrases. "Red up" means clean up. The word "yinz" is actually derived from the phrase (now almost obsolete) "you ones." "You ones" was equivalent to "you guys." One of the best Pittsburgh phrases has to do with Kennywood. "Kennywood is open." Means your fly is down.

I thought I read somewhere that because of P'burgh's peculiar topography there were reverse roller coasters that started by rolling down into a valley and ended with the ratchet-and-chain ascent. Is that at Kennywood? Or am I mistaken? Ortolan88 15:50, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * You are close to the truth. Both the Thunderbolt and the Jack Rabbit have two dips before the trains get to the lift chain.  The lift track is roughly in the middle of both rides, so neither ends with a chain ascent.


 * -- Ventura 23:46, 2004 Nov 9 (UTC)
 * I believe the term is Ravine roller coasters. These follow the terrain, so they often run out of steam (kinetic energy) at a level below the station, thus requiring a lift to reach the station. Timetrial3141592 20:35, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Someone should put it in the article because it is unusual and interesting. Next time I go to Pittsburgh I'll check it out, but in the meantime how about it? Ortolan88 03:12, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I almost answered that this probably isn't true, because I would have thought Phantom's Revenge would have been the only coaster that could do it. But apparently it is done and I just didn't notice it when I was there. Wish I had taken some pictures of this. I'll double-check, but I think the only coaster pictures I have are already up, and they don't show it. anthony &#35686;&#21578; 18:55, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Who took those pictures? They took them with the worst-looking weather they could find. There need to be some nice sunny, blue sky pictures. Mosquito 19:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * We don't have blue skies in Pittsburgh AdamRetchless

With regards to the comments on the pictures of the park, I work at Kennywood during the summer, so I'll be sure to get some sunnier pictures up there come May or June 2006. It is gonna be a while.

What is up with that last section? It's like a memoir but really poorly done --144.80.89.184 22:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

On a Humorous Note?
What does this have to do with anything?
 * On a humorous note, after the Pittsburgh Steelers won Super Bowl XL against the Seattle Seahawks 21-10, Steelers safety Mike Logan, a native of McKeesport, Pennsylvania near Kennywood, commented to local media, "Forget Disney World, I want them to open up Kennywood!"

Might I suggest that it be given more context so it will make sense? --R&#39;nway 17:46, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For a couple decades, Disneyland paid a player on the winning team to say, "I'm going to Disneyland!" during the post-game locker room interviews. I can add that to the article.--M @ r ē ino 20:07, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Phantom Fright Nights
I added some things I thought were relevent to the Phantom Fright Night section. "The marry-go-round horse usually found in the fountain by the entrance is replaced by a giant Death-like figure. In some places sheets are hung up and classic horror movies are played, such as the original "House on Haunted Hill"." Jasontheperson 04:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Out of Date picture
The picture of the park from the road is out of date. It was taken before the Swingshot was opened for the 2006 season. I will be uploading another, more up-to-date picture to go there.

Garfield License Lost, Unverified
There was a recent edit that said that Kennywood lost its Garfield license in August 2006. I've looked everywhere on Google and on the Internet and have found nothing to verify it. To the poster that put that up there, where did you find that? If it can be verified from an outside source, it will be put back into the article. User:Enlightenedment, 01:32, 27 September 2006 (UTC).

Other Attractions
I noticed that you guys are missing some of the attractions like The Pitfall and Raging Rapids. I was wondering why? Party29 13:41, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Even Stevens?
The article mentions that the pilot of Even Stevens featured a shot of Kennywood, showing such rides as the Laser Loop. But the Laser Loop was taken down in 1990, and Even Stevens was first aired in 2000, so unless this was old stock footage, it wouldn't seem to make sense. Can anyone verify? ryright (talk) 00:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Segregation
If memory serves, Kennywood had segregated swimming pools well into the 1960s (as did Allegheny County's South Park). History should be recorded whether we like it or not. --NameThatWorks (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Smoking?
The article states that smoking was tolerated for decades, but doesn't mention whether it's still allowed. That should be clarified. --NameThatWorks (talk) 21:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

(Smoking is not allowed, except for in select remote spots.) -Anonymous

Smoking is allowed, but there are designated areas. There are several located throughout the park, each being identified with brown benches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.17.177.158 (talk) 20:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

The benches in the designated smoking areas are now blue. Zenwafer (talk) 04:00, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Captions
It isn't necessary to point out that a photo is a photo or a view. Just indicate what is being shown and perhaps say a little something about its significance. Also, it isn't necessary to specify the vantage point unless it's significant, such as the top of a roller coaster (the parked cars were a tipoff that the photo was taken in a parking lot). --NameThatWorks (talk) 21:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Good ideas. Fixed.  --M @ r ē ino 21:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Company
I previously changed the infobox to say 'Formerly Kennywood Entertainment', which I've fixed slightly, but I'm still not sure about whether Kennywood Entertainment still exists as a division of PR or if the company doesn't exist anymore. Someone brought this to my attention, and I need some verification. Thanks!  Star fox  Roy  19:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No need - the opening section already deals with it. Don't make the infobox more complicated than it needs to be. SpikeJones (talk) 19:50, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Registered TM
I noticed that a registered trademark symbol (®) keeps being added next to Skycoaster in the list of rides. This is both unnecessary and blatantly an eyesore whilst reading. I don't see why it was added. IF it was needed, wouldn't all of the other rides need it too? It doesn't make sense, so I deleted it. Please discuss your thought if you believe it's required and state why you think so. Any unexplained re-adding of this symbol will need to be reverted.  ♦Leo- Roy  23:18, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Roller Coaster History
In this section it reads that the track from the brake run to 15 feet into the second drop are original track from the steel phantom. As of 2009 this is incorrect. The first two hills have now been completely retracked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.142.158.121 (talk) 00:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

collaboration
Responding to Grsz11's note at wt:NRHP, i visited to add NRHP document and make some NRHP- and NHL-related fixes. The NRHP inventory-nomination document is a good summary of the park's history and importance up to 1985. I hope it will be useful in providing some good quotes, and I note its bibliography provides some more sources including a New York Times article which might be obtained and used on its own. Attached with it are 3 National Park Service b&w photos, which are in the public domain. I would be glad to obtain any of those photos from a different National Park Service interface and to upload for use in this article, if wanted. Hope this helps. doncram (talk) 21:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Need to move sections
"Entertainment" and "Nationality Days" don't really belong in the middle of the section titled "Phantom Fright Nights." Neighter are a part of PFN and both existed before. I'm going to make an edit now, but will revert it if I don't get it right. SO I just wanted to make of note of it here. Medleystudios72 (talk) 17:37, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Phantom Fright Nights & "Haunt of the Year" contest
I'm an area lead at Phantom Fright Nights and have been working it since its inception in 2002. Here is some data on this subject of the "Haunt of the year" contest. First introduced in the 2003 season, the contest is a motivational tool to help make the attractions run better for the customers. Judges (initially chosen from Kennywood staff, later turning to V.I.P. customers for input) rank each haunted attraction for quality. The attractions are split into 3 divisions. Division I is large haunts (in 2011: Villa of the Vampire, Voodoo Bayou, BioFear, Mortem Manor). Division II is small haunts (Haunted Ark, Kennyville Cemetary, Dark Shadows). Division III is haunted midways (Death Valley, Gory Park, Fear Fest). Each division has a winner at the end of the season. The winners get bragging rights and (since 2004) t-shirts. As this is an internal tool for work quality, I'm unsure if it is noteworthy enough to have in the article, per se. I understand the summer season has a similar set of contests for the coasters and other rides. You'll not find published material on the subject except perhaps a blurb on the website. So it's not really something that can be sourced. Information on it is pretty much always going to fall into "original research" unless something does get published somewhere. For instance, I can say for certain that Mortem Manor has won 7 times in its division, and that I have 6 t-shirts to prove it (since no t-shirts were given in 2003). Though true, it's technically original research as I understand it. So even though I just edited the page to reflect the Manor's 7th win in 2011, I thought I should put here on the talk page my understanding of it as not relevant or sourcable. Perhaps if a wiki devoted to Kennywood were to exist and edited by those of us working there... Medleystudios72 (talk) 18:02, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I have removed the "Haunt of the Year" designation from Mortem Manor. The contest ran for nine years, and with mutliple "divisions."  The Manor won their division seven out of nine times.  However, not noting the other winner, Villa of the Vampire, for its two wins and not noting he other haunts which won that distinction in their divisions over the years represented a lack of disclosure.  As I don't have the information for the other winners, I was unable to accurately update all the winners.  Plus, it's not really relevent to the article subject itself.  Therefore, I concluded that the single label was extraneous. Medleystudios72 (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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What's considered a good source for the Skycoaster citation?
I was looking for a citation for the claim that the Skycoaster was the tallest when it was built, and I found coaster-net and kpconnection - but are either of these of enough reliability? Karmyx (talk) 17:08, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Both can be used when used together, but the COASTER-net source is definitely the better of the two. I wouldn't accept the Kennywood Connection source on its own. Besides, the KC source just says it was the "tallest structure in the park". It doesn't say it was the world's tallest. --GoneIn60 (talk) 17:19, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * While not ideal, you're probably not going to find a better online source for a 1994 attraction. You might try combing through some old Pittsburgh newspapers but that would require a trip to the library and probably a search through microfilm. I say go ahead and use COASTER-net as a citation. If another editor doesn't think it is good enough they can tag it or find another source.— JlACEer  ( talk ) 17:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Article cleanup
The length of this article has grown long in the tooth, especially with all the ride charts and images consuming a large portion of the page. I've collapsed the timeline into three periods of time, similar to what was done in the Cedar Point article. More work is definitely needed. I plan to reduce the footprint further in the charts and then eventually move them to their own list article along the lines of List of Kennywood attractions. We can keep the main roller coaster chart here (and it will also appear in the list article). If anyone has any other thoughts/suggestions or issues with that, let me know. By the way, the timeline is in serious need of inline citations. Anyone who can help out with that would be greatly appreciated. --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:38, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps the 'timeline' sections should be ordered in reverse...
So that you all don't have to 'jump' from the 'newest' to the 'oldest' three times when moving between the 'three sections' of the 'timeline'.

I mean, wouldn't chronological order make more sense? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WholeInWon (talk • contribs) 21:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)