Talk:Kenshō

Seeing one's nature?
This is how it is translated in Jack Maguire's Essential Buddhism. Agree/disagree? 1000Faces, Revision as of 01:05, 19 March 2007

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Order of Buddhist Contemplatives
Is the OBC still part of the Soto-su? Or is it an independent organisation?
 * Seikai Luebke, Why Are Roshi Jiyu Kennett’s Disciples So Reclusive?:


 * Kyogen Carlson sensei, In Memoriam, Houn Jiyu Kennett Roshi:


 * Order of Buddhist Contemplatives, About Us (emphasis mine, except for "Wider Buddhist Connections"):

Apparantly not. In that case, Jiyu-Kennett's ideas do not belong under the header of Soto, but under a separate header. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!  08:52, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
 * That seems fair to me. If her organizations are not part of a Soto organization, then I would say that her views belong in the section concerning her account of her experience, but not as the view of any other organization. Looking at a couple of references last night, I saw that kensho and satori are often treated as synonyms, but kensho tends more to be used to refer to 'moments' of insight, whereas satori is for the totality of an enlightenment experience. That makes Jiyu-Kennett's use of 'kensho' to refer to the entire process less representative of the general use of the term, according to the MacMillian Encyclopedia of Buddhism and the Shambhala Dictionary of Buddhism and Zen. --Spasemunki (talk) 23:19, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Dogen, Keizan, and "mystical experiences"
The section on Kenshō contains info on "mystical experiences" which Dogen and Keizan had. This is off-topic; this article is on kensho, not on miraculous events and auspicious signs. Faure, Williams, and Bodiford, the only sources that can be verified, do not use the term "mystical experience" to describe these events; for Dogen, Bodiford speaks of "miraculous experiences" (p.32), while Faure speaks about "auspicious signs" (p.92). Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk!  04:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking the sources. JimRenge (talk) 10:02, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

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