Talk:Kentucky & Indiana Terminal Bridge

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Well, I got a pic, but it's of dubious quality. Whenever I get to New Albany proper, I'll see if I can get one better.--Bedford 02:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Those pics I added some time ago should work, although I need to caption them when I have more time.--Bedford 20:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Insertion of extreme relevance in the K & I Bridge article
I am writing a book in which many chapters are completed, one of which includes Louisvilles first elevated, electric comnmuter train, which was an outgrowth of the "Daisy" line trains which started the very same day that this bridge opened with steam locomotion and later electrified in 1893.

I have already contributed very heavily to the Wiki article on the K & I Bridge, and a number of things loomed problematic. One big one was the fact that It is very VERY commonly known only as the K & I T bridge company which is the last naming itteration of the company which started out as simply the K & I Bridge Co., the second reorganization and name change was to the K & I Bridge and RR Co......and later again reorganized as the K I & T Bridge Co. All the while. all of train business including the original commuter tran service, carried on without interuption.

This NAME CONFUSION has many a ordinairly savvy rail fan in a dither,,, Louisville is an extrordinairly TROLLEY oriented and only TROLEY oriented and only trolley friendly. The mere suggestion that there were electric, commuter trains, yes TRAINS with multiple cars namely ordinairly three car consists but even documented and photographed 4,6, and 10 car electric commuter trains which used this bridge and its early routing.

In a later time frame decades later in fact, upon another operator buying out the R.O.W. rights and K & I's electric train equipment. It gauntleted the trackage on the bridge and did away with the 5.5 miles of totally grade seperated and elevated routing inclunding Three promenent, downtown Louisville ELEVATED STATIONS at 7th, 4th and 1st streets. All of this has been thouroughly researched and is well documented and a flat out historical fact, although elevated commuter trains seem shocking and totally unbelievable to some inane diehard trolley fans.

Yet the persistant TROLLEY crowd can only point to and keep focused on the single car trolley operations that went broad ga. to match the existing street car lines which that latter itteration used in a street running fashion. All of which is fine it is also a part of history,....BUT THE COMMUTER TRAINS CAME FIRST.

The point is that Louisville Kentucky and the K & I Bridge Co. had the first heavy rail conversion from steam to electric of an elevated railway in the U.S.A.in 1893. This was earlier than even Chicago famous "L" train system from steam to electric. Yet the TROLLEY crowd....is so persistant that we only had trolle;ys, NOT TRAINS,... they blur and overwhelm this historical fact out of existance. They even go so far as to insinuate there were no commuter trains in Louisville. See the Wiki article, the Millions of their ancestors who rode those commuter trains would rise up and shake their fists at such non-sense.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Even when the original elevated routing was in 1908 converted to street running and broad ga. the Louisville to New Albany trains continued to run multi-unit trains during peak hours, only this time as powercar plus a trail car. These 2 car trains ran up till the last day of 1945. Commuter trains from 1866 to 1945 sounds pretty strong to me. Not to trolley fans, trains simply didn't exist.

One would think Louisvillians would be proud to have had a WORLD RECORD "FIRST" steam to electric, elevated rail commuter train. These facts are OK with and ultra documented by the Kentucky Historical Society, The official history of the K & I RR, The Encylopedia of Louisville, The Floyd County Indiana Library history department, The Louisville Board of Trade, Harpers News Magazine, Louisville Magazine,Presidents Hoover, and Nixon are pictured looking on crowds from riverboats at the elevated trackage along the wharf and by a multitude of other published historians and in other published sources.

The trolley crowd will still only admit that trolleys (not trains) ever used by the earliest bridge operations and in that thay are hopelessly incorrect, pendantic and infuriating.

More to the point. I have photos and many other records of the early multi car - commuter trains and do not know how to insert these ar attach these to the Wiki article on the K&I. I have even noted in the history tab that othes are in search of good photos .....I HAVE TOO MANY TO COUNT. I attempted to get help from a wiki administrator (who shall remain nameless) to no avail.

There are astonishing and wonderful photos showing horses and carriages in the same picture frame with the bracket arm carring the overhead electric lines used by the trains to pick up their power, the turn span in the open position, The touring Australian convict ship- billed as the "Hell of the Oceans" whose inmates rose up an hacked to death with spades and shovels, the Australian superintendent of prisons - which passed thru the K & I's turn span and docked at 5th St. Wharf - one of only two ships to ever pass thru the K & I. and photos of the other ship to do so, the "Tarascon" steamer. Most importantly are the numerous photos of the elevated rail, the commuter trains, and the commuter train stations three photos of which are from the Ky. Historical Society.

I need someones help out there to make this article truely come to life. Yes we had single car Trolleys too, but before that we had T R A I N S.

I NEED SOMEONES HELP

R.David Schooling 74.130.7.45 (talk) 23:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC) Author, "Louisville's Elevated Rail & Electric Trains" Residence Pho 812-944-9666 mobile 502-554-5444. e-mail rdavidschooling@insightbb.com 74.130.7.45 (talk) 23:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Needs improvement
The beginning of the article is written in present rather than past tense.

"The Kentucky & Indiana Bridge is one of the first multi modal bridges to cross the Ohio River. It is for both railway and common roadway purposes together."

That is from an 1886 article. The bridge hasn't carried road traffic since 1979. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.115.152 (talk) 21:42, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

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