Talk:Kerguelen Islands

Nightingale Island
Far too far away to be the same.

Maps
German and French maps in an English article? Pathetic.

Kerguelenois currency
This island even have own currency - Kerguelenois Franc: http://worldmoneymax.com/?/item-200/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shtoormann (talk • contribs) 13:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)


 * This island HAVE??? Oh, dear.


 * Actually, in fact, they do not. There are some polymer banknotes issued for Kerguelen, but they are fantasy issues printed by a private organization, and are NOT legal tender there (or anywhere else for that matter.  The company that issues them says they will exchange them at 0.01 Euro per "Kerguelenois Franc" but these are at best, privately issued tokens, and don't reflect an actual government issued, legal tender currency.).  Kergeulen, like the rest of France and most French territories, accepts the Euro as legal tender.  76.25.139.167 (talk) 21:57, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Just to add on to this, here is the creator of the Kerguelenois Franc: "We sell fantasy collector items in the appearance of fictional national money" . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.203.164.201 (talk) 08:39, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

comments
Many books and novels have been published in French and related to Kerguelen Islands. Reefering to articles of the present encyclopedia we report: -about German Navy in Kerguelen during the Second World War : an historic novel wirtten by Jacques NOUGIER "Les Corsaires des Terres australes" published by Editions de la Dyle in 1999 (ISBN 90-76526-08-7) -about illegal fishing and economical problems in the sub-antarctic zone :"Pirate de légines -Ocean Indien Austral" written by Jacques NOUGIER and published by Editions l'Harmattan in 2003 (ISBN 2-7475-4459-1 -about wreckages during the 19e century on sub-antarctic coasts: "Trois Naufrages pour trois îles" by Amapof, published in 1998 by Editions de la Dyle (ISBN 90 801124-9-6) with many drawings and pictures. We recommend the web site : http://www.terres-extremes.com

Extra map?
Image:Iles_kerguelen2.png and Image:Kerguelen_Map2.png seep to be somewhat duplicative; is it necessary to include both? AnonMoos 17:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Port Decaen and Port St Louis
Sorry, but these places are not former settlements but only sheltered places where ships may anchor. The source is not so reliable and however gives information cautiously (“other settlements on the Kerguelen Archipelago may have been vanished: Port Decaen, Port St. Louis”). Right information from : DELEPINE Gracie (1973). - ''Toponymie des terres australes. Comm. territoriale de toponymie, h.s. revue TAAF, Paris'' Channer 14:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Cook died before he visited?
The article says Cook visited Kerguelen in (Christmas Day) 1797, but he died in 1779. Reading the Cook article I don't know when he actually visited but earlier in this article it also says 1776, which makes sense with his voyage paths. I'll change it but somebody can change again if its wrong. Rahulchandra 05:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In this source "James Cook visited the islands in December 1776. Landing in the bay he called Christmas Harbour, he named the complex the Isles of Desolation. " No ghost required. 49.180.159.136 (talk) 23:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Visits by german raiders
I think the auxiliary cruiser Penguin also visited the island —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.119.113 (talk) 23:44, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

This island is beautifull
I never visited these islands, but the photos of the article shows them as beautifull places.Agre22 (talk) 15:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)agre22


 * Talk pages are supposed to be suggestions for upgrading the article, not general discussion. Your personal opinion about the beauty of the islands isn't anything that could be added to the article, so it doesn't seem appropriate here. If you can find any travel brochure that advertises the islands as a "beautiful" tourist destination, then MAYBE that could be in a section titled "tourism", but given the strong winds and cold air and lack of any native population, only scientific researchers stationned there, I doubt any tourism agency is promoting this region, but feel free to prove me wrong.


 * Snooty nonsense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.154.17 (talk) 17:57, 11 January 2024 (UTC)


 * BTW, the plot of likely MH370 paths toward the debris found by Australia in satellite images, looks like it was heading toward here, which is why I'm looking here today, in case you wondered why I'm here. 198.144.192.45 (talk) 18:51, 20 March 2014 (UTC) Twitter.Com/CalRobert (Robert Maas)

IPA
Why no IPA for the other French words be sides "Kerguelen". I'd do it, but my French is terrible. Leodmacleod (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Climate
what about some information on the climate of the island? i find myself very curious about this, does it snow? or might it be similar to iceland's climate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zagahock (talk • contribs) 03:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * icelandic climate, with stronger winds --Channer (talk) 09:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Antipodal to MT/AB/SK border convergence? Yeah, OK, sorta, but......why?
Aside from noting that this little bit of trivia is uncited, and therefore original research, I decided to try out the claim and exchanged N for S and E for W....and then 180|00 minus 69|35 = 110|25|W should be the longitude, which gives us: Which is about 25 km SW of Manyberries, Alberta and about 50 km ENE of the Coutts-Sweetgrass border crossing; about 50-60km west of the border with Saskatchewan. I guess for experikment's sake I'm going to determine the AB-SK-MT border convergence and antipodize it, and see if it's in Kerguelen. But I don't see the point os such bits of information; why is this useful? Why is it more than just trivia? Why is it not WP:original research??Skookum1 (talk) 01:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC) The border convergence is at 49°N, -110°W, so the antipodal point to that is -49°N, 70°W....which OK is a point in the ocean in the big bay/gulf on the northeast side of Kerguelen....but again, why is this relevant to anything? Why does it belong in an encyclopedia article? And where is the cite that makes it something other than original research? And if anything, such antipodality barely touches Montana; it's a good 15' N of the border; the area in question also hsa a name, the Cypress Hills.Skookum1 (talk) 01:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 49.25°N, -110.41667°W


 * The antipodes of 49° 15′ S, 69° 35′ E is 49° 15′ N, 110° 25′ W, which is southeast of Manyberries. (You subtracted 35 from 100 minutes instead of from 60.) Would you mind if I changed or nowikied that? The 65 minutes makes this page show in Category:Coord template needing repair.
 * It may be trivia but it's not original research. You can verify it — as you did — by looking at a map. Geohack even puts a green dot on the antipodes of a location, which is a clickable link to that position.
 * —WWoods (talk) 15:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * fixed it.  Still strikes me as unimportant in a lede, and if it's not original research, it's still pointless trivia.Skookum1 (talk) 18:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The antipodes of Kerguelen plays a role in the 1874 story "The Tachypomp." Goustien (talk) 03:26, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * If anyone still cares, here is a source http://www.weathergraphics.com/tim/antipode/ and an article that seems to be based on that source http://lastbestnews.com/site/2017/02/prairie-lights-some-consoling-news-from-inner-space/. The town of Rudyard is the only community in the United States that sits on top of a non-oceanic antipode. Wnmyers (talk) 01:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Google?
Any reason they're listed as the French Southern & Antarctic Lands in Google Maps? DannyBoy20802 (talk) 04:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

See French Southern and Antarctic Lands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.142.222.247 (talk) 10:03, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Help
This article is a FA in Magyar wiki and a GA in German wiki maybe that can help us. Spongie555 (talk) 03:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

In popular culture
I removed the Moby Dick reference to "the Isle of Desolation, off Patagonia," as this more likely refers to Desolation Island (South Shetland Islands). Goustien (talk) 03:23, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Henry Rider Haggard sets one of the key event of "Mr. Meeson's Will" on the island of Kerguelen's Land. This is a seldom read work of Rider Haggard published (according to Wikipedia) in 1888. Haggard makes reference to the British scientific expeditions of 1874. If anyone wants to do the necessary referencing and foot-noting to incorporate this into the body of the article, the book is in the public domain and can be got over the internet or from Amazon for free (kindle version). The book also was made into a very early (1915) silent movie, but I do not know whether Kerguelen's Land was explicitly in the movie. RoseHawk (talk) 14:03, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Country calling code?
This article says that it's 242, but List of country calling codes says it has none. 71.203.66.120 (talk) 13:04, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The article seems to say 262 (not 242). A quick Google search indicates that '262' is correct, although one of the sites indicates that no code is officially assigned to the archipelago.  That said, the islands seem to be uninhabited except for one research base. So there may not be much of a telephone system beyond that base (and even less likelihood of anyone beyond it to pick up a ringing receiver...). Feline Hymnic (talk) 19:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Additions removed
I've removed a set of additions, 7 edits from an anonymous IP. Although sources were cited, there are several problems with the material, including (1) the fact that the fish stocks have been measured does not mean that a large fishery exists (2) the history of the Gondwanan supercontinent doesn't belong in the Economy section (3) a discussion of continental shelves (what they are, conventions governing them, general statments such as "Most commercial exploitation from the sea, such as metallic-ore, non-metallic ore, and hydrocarbon extraction, takes place on the continental shelf." that are not specific to the Kerguelens) doesn't belong here, that belongs on pages having to do with continental shelves. Nadiatalent (talk) 12:10, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

" It has a big natural resource in fish due to be a continental shelf larger than Greenland size. Estimates of biomass and abundance were produced for eight commercial species. The total biomass was 245 000 tonnes and Patagonian toothfish (Dissostichus eleginoides) accounted for half of the value (124 000 tonnes). The fish biomass was distributed between the shelf and the deep sea. However, this evaluation remains incomplete.
 * this was removed:

The continental shelf teem with life, because of the sunlight available in shallow waters, in contrast to the biotic desert of the oceans' abyssal plain. The pelagic (water column) environment of the continental shelf constitutes the neritic zone, and the benthic (sea floor) province of the shelf is the sublittoral zone. Most commercial exploitation from the sea, such as metallic-ore, non-metallic ore, and hydrocarbon extraction, takes place on the continental shelf. Sovereign rights over their continental shelves up to a depth of 200 metres or to a distance where the depth of waters admitted of resource exploitation were claimed by the marine nations that signed the Convention on the Continental Shelf drawn up by the UN's International Law Commission in 1958. This was partly superseded by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. which created the 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone and extended continental shelf rights for states with physical continental shelves that extend beyond that distance.

France extend its jurisdiction over 567 732 square kilometers of the neighboring continental shelf from the land area of 7 215 resulting in 574 947 square kilometers. There are besides some fishing boats and vessels, owned by fishermen on Réunion Island, a department of France approximately 3,300 km (2,100 miles) to the north, who are licensed to fish within the archipelago's Exclusive Economic Zone.

Govern of France principal activities on the Kerguelen Islands focus mostly on scientific research, earth sciences and biology. The so-called Kerguelen microcontinent or Kerguelen Plateau include charcoal and conglomerate fragments of gneiss indicate that much of the plateau was above sea level an covered by dense conifer forest. Tt sanks 20 million years ago and is now 1 to 2 km below sea level. It has sedimentary rocks similar to the ones found in Australia and India, suggesting it was gondwanan origen.

The former sounding rocket range to the east of Port-aux-Français -49.35°N, 70.26667°W is currently the site of a SuperDARN radar.

Since 1992, the French Centre National d'Études Spatiales (CNES) has operated a satellite and rocket tracking station which is located four kilometers east of Port-aux-Français. There was a need for a tracking station in the Southern Hemisphere, and the French government required that it be located on French territory, rather than in a populated, foreign place like Australia or New Zealand."

In the photo you can see that the continental shelf is big. The economic importance is referenced. But Nadietalent reverted too, another page related with a flooded laurel forest in Ghana with economic value. I prefer not do a War with a person. Curritocurrito (talk) 15:02, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

What can that mean?
Under LOCALITIES in this article I read 'It is understood the islands have received the attention of the French military.' Whatever can that mean? Would it be possible to have it written in slightly-clearer English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.25.168.186 (talk) 19:10, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

MOS:RETAIN
(Moved here from my talk page) --Guy Macon (talk) 19:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi,

You may not have noticed but this article already has predominantly British spelling rather than US. Hence, per WP:ENGVAR, the IP would be right in this case. Am I missing something else?

Regards,

WCM email 11:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Are you missing that the subject has no clear ties to either UK or USA? Jeh (talk) 12:04, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * See MOS:RETAIN

When an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article, maintain it in the absence of consensus to the contrary. With few exceptions (e.g., when a topic has strong national ties or a term/spelling carries less ambiguity), there is no valid reason for such a change. WCM email 12:32, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Where is the "predominantly British spelling" prior to the IP's change to "centre"? I ran it through a spell checker set to look for US - American English, and it found no errors. Didn't find any when set to "UK - British" mode either. So I don't see it as "predominantly" either. Therefore the IP's change to "centre" had no justification in ENGVAR, and per RETAIN it should have been left alone. Jeh (talk) 12:52, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
 * "ise" v "ize" for example, "ise" being the current British English form, though both are acceptable. Ironically, the US use of "ize" actually being correct in old English, it was something to do with printing presses as I recall. WCM email 13:03, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Jeh and I are following the wishes of the community by in general not changing from one national spelling to another and occasionally making an exception when we happen to notice the "wrong" spelling in an article where there is a clear tie to the US or the UK. The IP is doing exactly what the community rejected back when this was being decided and actively seeking out places that use US spelling and replacing them with UK spelling, and searching with a fine-tooth comb to find a word or two that he thinks use the UK spelling as an excuse to continue his crusade to change as much of Wikipedia as possible to UK spelling.

Kerguelen Islands is a case in point. The only things in that article that could be seen as being UK English are two occurrences of "organise" and one "organisational" and the only things in that article that could be seen as being US English are three occurrences of "center". That does not equal "an English variety's consistent usage has been established in an article".

BTW, "organise" isn't all that far ahead of "organize" in UK English. See compared to  Also see. --Guy Macon (talk) 19:12, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * And when its crusade is objected to and its gratuitous changes reverted, the IP has the colossal crust to scream "US imperialism!!" without a trace of apparent irony. Jeh (talk) 21:49, 4 June 2017 (UTC)


 * OK, the OED actually states both forms are acceptable and as I pointed out the US spelling is in fact the correct and original one. Hence, I asked, however, most Brits use "ise" these days.  Thanks for the explanation.  WCM email 06:50, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

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What happened to Kerguelen's ag sector after 2007?
"Agricultural activities were limited until 2007 to raising sheep (about 3,500 Bizet sheep – a breed of sheep that is rare in mainland France) on Longue Island for consumption by the occupants of the base, as well as small quantities of vegetables in a greenhouse within the immediate vicinity of the main French base."

Why does the article say "until 2007" and what happened after that? --XndrK (talk &#124; contribs) 19:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Just remove this and all other unsourced claims with an edit summary of "Removing unsourced claim per WP:V." If someone wants to put it back, they will have to find a source. Then we can check the source to verify the "2007" part, removing it with a "Not in source provided" edit summary if it isn't there. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Astronomical twilight
"Due to the island's southern latitude, it experiences a couple of weeks from December to early January in which there is no true night, only astronomical twilight (sun illumination is barely distinguishable at nighttime) ." I don't think this can be true. Kerguelen is quite far north of the southern polar circle. It's lattitude is comparable with Northern France, but then on the Southern hemisphere. Even where I live (52 degrees North), we experience true nights throughout the whole of summer, so how could it be that at barely 50 degrees south one would experience only astronomical twilight around midsummer? KKoolstra (talk) 19:33, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think the statement is correct. See the [//weatherspark.com/y/48507/Average-Weather-in-Amiens-France-Year-Round#Sections-Sun sun chart] for Amiens (a randomly selected location at about 49° north) on Weather Spark: there are a couple weeks with astronomical twilight but no full night. I'm guessing that, mathematically, the highest minimum daily height of the sun above the horizon can be worked out as follows: the axial tilt of the earth is about 23.44°, the latitude is about 49°; adding those you get 72.44°; subtract that from 90° and you get 17.56°, which is more than 18° degrees and hence in the realm of astronomical twilight. Geometrically, consider that at the Arctic and Antarctic circles (66.56° from the Equator) the sun reaches the horizon (0°) at its lowest point on the summer solstice; 49° is 17.56° away from that. — Eru·tuon 20:13, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I see you are right, I didn't realize that astronomical twilight is a phenomenon that extents far beyond the polar circle. KKoolstra (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

1799 or 1800 for visit Captain Robert Rhodes (S/V 'Hillsborough') ?
The current page reads that "In 1800, Hillsborough spent eight months sealing and whaling around the islands."

I just read in the Gray Report on Whaling (originally published 1874, reproduced in a biography on C.A. Larsen's published by the Fram Museum, 2016) that captain Rhodes on S/V Hillsborough visited Kerguelen in 1799, not 1800.

The information in the Gray Report is probably taken from (because similar to the information provided in) capt. J. Cook's acccount and seems to be confirmed by this short narrative on Rhodes life.

I do not have access to the book from which the year 1800 is taken. But I believe 1799 seems to be correct. Anyone? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LEXsample (talk • contribs) 08:32, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Comparing the climate to "other cities in France"
Found under Climate. The title of a chart.

I would change the wording if I could. Kerguelen is not in France, so it can't be compared with "other cities in France". I would just remove the word "other" from the chart. 173.53.106.234 (talk) 13:38, 27 August 2022 (UTC)