Talk:Kerli

Untitled
Not the creator, or the person who put the hangon on the page, but isn't being signed to a major label on the list of WP:BIO "notable musician" critera ? Taking part in the Melodifestivalen and finishing 7th also seems like a claim of notability. Surely not a speedy candidate. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Clearly she is notable and the tag should never have been placed on the page. I am removing it, as she is signed to a major label and has appeared at major international venues - per WP:Music guidelines. ExRat 04:49, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 05:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Does she live in L.A. now?
If so we should pu that in there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.92.68 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Second Album Sources
Could someone help to find reliable sources for the information in the "Untitled Second Album" section, please?

The Night Crawler 39 (talk) 10:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)The Night Crawler 39

Article name
I've noticed some edits in the history changing the name of this back and forth, but doing so improperly. Should this article be at Kerli?&mdash;Kww(talk) 02:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)


 * As long as no-one will indicate someone or something else notable called Kerli, indeed it should. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 07:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Sexuality
I'm not sure if this is justification to added Kerli to an LGBT category by in this episode of her Kyte show someone says they'd "go gay" for her. To this, Kerli replies (at the 1:30 mark) "I like girls, too ... I've just never ... really been in love with a girl ... but if i will be then I'll be with a girl". She continues to say "God didn't put us on earth to be with the opposite sex, God put us on earth to be happy" ~  ς ح   д r   خ є  ~ 16:40, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds too vague for a conclusive statement. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation
. It sounds like Kerli says e is pronounced like egg and the r is spoken with an alveolar trill. I've figured it's as that seems to be the common slang. ~ ς ح   д r   خ є  ~ 04:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Where she says "Well actually it's Kerli," that's the "correct" pronunciation, she just usually pronounces it "wrong" to make it easier for Americans. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 07:28, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * My interpretation of it was she said "well actually it's ke/r/li" and that she was happy that Italians can roll the 'r'. ~ ς ح   д r   خ є  ~ 07:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Dates
I think it's fine either way but WP:MOSDATES says "Edit warring over optional styles (such as 14 February and February 14) is unacceptable. If an article has been stable in a given style, it should not be converted without a style-independent reason." – Scarce  ✉  15:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I had reverted to European style seeing as she's Estonian, but I suppose if she lives in Los Angeles, it would be equally OK to use American dates. I don't have a problem with it either way.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 18:48, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Leaving school
She says here she dropped out of school at 16: http://www.formspring.me/bubblegoth/q/213539103 The article says 14, and for some reason I can't watch the video from which that information was taken from, so I don't know what it says exactly, but it may be misinformed or misinterpreted. ×××BrightBlackHeaven(talk)××× 09:42, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Participation in Eurolaul
See here: Eurolaul 2004 on IMDB and here: Eurolaul 2001 on IMDB. Plus: http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurolaul_2004 Kerli's song was 9th in row, placed 2nd. Plus I personally remember watching Eurolaul in both 2001 and 2004, and when she was on there -- in 2004 -- then everyone knew her from Fizz Superstar so it was after that. The AllMusic page is simply wrong, I guess.

Also, I just noticed Fizz Superstar happened in 2002, not 2001. (2001 did seem too early, but I didn't notice before.)

The article in Estonian Wikipedia says she was in Melodifestivalen in 2006, I guess I'll go fix that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BrightBlackHeaven (talk • contribs) 08:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Removal of "Songs in Other Media" section
I notice the reason given for the removal of this section is that other artists' articles don't have similar sections. I did some digging and discovered that other artists do have similar sections, but they are usually on the artist's discography page rather than the artist's main article. (example, example) I think we should find a way to incorporate this section into Kerli's discography page. Thatotherperson (talk) 22:31, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Go for it. ►  Scarce  ◄  00:22, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Thatotherperson (talk) 03:27, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Awards and Nominations
The Awards and Nominations table lists Walking on Air as having won an award called "Estonian Music Awards". Just a guess, but that seems to be the name of the award show, not a specific award. Does anyone know of an award that Walking on Air won at the Estonian Music Awards? Thatotherperson (talk) 01:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. On Aggressive's website, it just says "Winner 2008 Estonian Music Awards". I guess we should leave it as is until the specific award can be confirmed. ►  Scarce  ◄  23:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Here is at least one Estonian music award that she won. And not in just one category. It is the award given by the Estonian Association of the Phonogram Producers. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 14:45, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Perhaps the "Estonian Music Awards" should be removed and these awards should take its place? Because they appear to be different things. ►  Scarce  ◄  18:27, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The official name of the award is "Eesti muusikaauhinnad", which translates exactly to "Estonian Music Awards". I think, the categories should be specified, though. This is an identical list of winners and nominations on a site specially dedicated to the awards.--Jaan Pärn (talk) 11:47, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's a link to translate the page into English, for those who need it. As near as I can tell, she won Pop Artist of the Year, Female Artist of the Year, and Music Video of the Year (for "Walking on Air"), and Love is Dead was nominated for Album of the Year. – Thatotherperson (talk) 03:40, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * The discussion kind of died, so I went ahead and updated the article to include the awards I listed above. – Thatotherperson (talk) 06:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

March 2011
After reading through the recent edits, it's clear we need a talk page discussion to settle once and for all which genres should be listed in the infobox. As of this writing, the current page lists Pop, electropop, and alternative rock. Any issues with this? Personally, I think we could be a little more specific, as pop music and alternative rock are both very broad terms. Any suggestions for more specific subgenres we could list? Thatotherperson (talk) 07:06, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 * "Electropop" is good because a lot of the newer music ("Army of Love" and forward) is electropop, "cyber goth" and gothic rock are a good for love is good to describe Love Is Dead and influences in her newer material. Maybe we could replace "pop" with dance-pop? Seeing that "Army of Love" is actually charting on Billboard's Hot Dance Club Songs chart, it makes sense. Maybe we could squeeze pop rock in there? It describes Love Is Dead as well as "Supergirl". "Electropop, dance-pop, pop rock, alternative rock" looks okay to me. However, "BubbleGoth" is a portmanteau of bubblegum pop and gothic rock. I think "Army of Love" and "Bubblegum" could be defined as bubblegum pop. ►  Scarce  ◄  17:26, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Thatotherperson (talk) 23:38, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I definitely think dance pop is a worthy inclusion. Not so sure about pop rock. I also worry that if we list a bunch of pop genres and nothing else but the vague term "alternative rock" it's going to make her sound a lot more mainstream than she actually is. I'd like to find some subgenres that better describe her more underground stuff. I know "gothic rock" has been in and out of the infobox several times over the years, but I'm not familiar enough with gothic rock to know if that label is accurate.

I edit the Portuguese Wikipedia and I think your suggestions are really good, altough we'll need reliable references for such music genres. I think "pop" and "alternative rock" deffine Kerli's music direction better and it's according to Allmusic. We'll need to wait for her new album to be released, and then we can see how much her style will have changed or not. This is just a suggestion. Greetings. Lucas RdS (talk) 02:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Rhapsody: Dance Pop, Pop, and Alt/Punk (link) Purevolume: Alternative and Pop, which I still think is way too vague. (link) If anyone has another music site with other genres listed, please link it here. Thatotherperson (talk) 12:47, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Allmusic: Pop/Rock genre, with styles listed as "Alternative Pop/Rock" and "Alternative/Indie Rock"

Well, this has gone several days without anything new. I propose going with the four genres Scarce listed above for now, while we wait for the new album to come out. Electropop, dance-pop, pop rock, alternative rock. Anyone have a problem with doing it that way for now? Anyone think gothic rock should be included? Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 13:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

We could skip dance-pop and gothic rock, since they're not main genres for Kerli. "Army of Love" is listed as electropop, as well "Walking on Air" according to this Kerli EP review. It could be better to list her genres as "Pop, alternative rock, electropop". What do you editors think about it? Lucas RdS (talk) 20:31, 5 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Personally I would favor including dance-pop. Creepshow, Strange Boy, and Army of Love are all very much dance-pop, and I get the feeling there will be a lot more on the second album. Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 21:13, 6 April 2011 (UTC)


 * That's ok. I agree about including "dance-pop" since "Army of Love" is number-four on the Dance/Club Play Songs chart now, but I propose another discussion after the release of the second album and reviews of it. Lucas RdS (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 03:36, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, so here's an updated official proposal: we go with Pop, alternative rock, electropop, dance-pop and then revisit the issue when the new album comes out (or anytime someone wants to change it). Any objections?


 * No objections from me. I'm ok with it. Lucas RdS (talk) 18:43, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 08:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Four days with no objections; that's good enough for me. I will update the page accordingly, with a note saying not to change it without consulting the talk page first.

Just citing: Chicago Sun-Times states Kerli is a dance-pop artist here. Lucas RdS (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Well i still think that the genres should be changed. You put it as the exact same thing it was before — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shane-otis (talk • contribs) 16:27, 6 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.130.75.232 (talk) 17:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

September 2012
Hey so I think for genres Electronic should be in there... maybe some more specific ones too, i think Electronic, alternative rock, synthpop, dream pop could work. Maybe we could put gothic rock somewhere in there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shane-otis (talk • contribs) 16:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Having electronic and synthpop is redundant, and dream pop is kind of a stretch, see List of dream pop artists. I don't really see how Kerli fits in there. We can't really classify the new music because we only have "Army of Love", "Zero Gravity", and some live performances to go off of. I would like to note that Kerli frequently gets referred to as "rave" as well as branding herself as such. I would like to see this: "Synthpop, rave, alternative rock". Any objection? Scarce2 (talk) 01:34, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

OK so my official proposal; we put the genres as Alternative, indie,rave, synthpop. Any opinions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shane-otis (talk • contribs) 19:19, 30 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Indie? Kerli is signed to a major label. Also, alternative rock should go last as she no longer produces music in that genre. Scarce2 (talk) 01:23, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * We should go according to what the sources state. The Billboard magazine lists her music as "alternative", "rock" and "pop", and we can't classify her music after "Army of Love" and "Zero Gravity". I think we should stick with these genres (basically pop and alternative rock, since alternative music redirects to alternative rock). After the release of her second album, we could go back and add a new genre. Lucas RdS (talk) 15:19, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * iTunes lists "Zero Gravity" as "Dance, Electronic". Maybe something like "Electronic dance, alternative rock"?
 * "Electronic dance music (EDM) is electronic music produced primarily for the purposes of use within a nightclub setting, or in an environment that is centered upon dance-based entertainment."
 * I think that describes the new music very well, notably "Lucky Ones" as it lacks typical song structure. Amazon lists "Zero Gravity" as "Dance & DJ". We should also note "Army of Love" being number one on Billboard's Hot Dance Club Songs chart. Scarce2 (talk) 20:30, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we shouldn't list an artist's music genres based only songs, but according to the music direction of full albums or the genre in which he/she is put it. For now, Kerli has only one album, which is Love Is Dead. "Army of Love" and "Zero Gravity" may be on the track for the electronic music direction of the next album, but who knows what the album may sound like? This song "Lucky Ones" isn't even released and we need to edit with a neutral point of view. So, I think we should use "pop", "alternative rock" and "dance"—this last genre because Kerli got recognition through dance music . What do you guys think about it? Lucas RdS (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Why simplify it to "dance"? "Electronic dance" covers electronic, dance, as well as club. I can see "Pop, alternative rock, electronic dance" fitting well for the time being. Once Kerli starts to release more music, we'll see if she has more rock, electronic, dance, etc., influences and we can change it as needed at that time. Scarce2 (talk) 22:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * "Electronic dance" seems too redundant. "Dance [music]" is a more specific music genre, and as I mentioned, she got recognition through dance songs; in the same way, it's not the first time Kerli is noted for dance-infused songs as this source notes "Kerli's emergence into the dance scene" back in 2008. Lucas RdS (talk) 02:02, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * "Electronic dance" is a sub-genre of "dance", meaning the former would be more specific, not the other way around. By using "Pop, alternative rock, dance" (as you suggested above), you're excluding Kerli's electronic influence as well as her club influence, with one extra word you can include electronic, dance, and club. Scarce2 (talk) 02:48, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you please provide a source stating the electronic music influence you are stating in her music, not in just one song? Lucas RdS (talk) 02:53, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The source you linked to seems to only describe her Love Is Dead "dance music" being the remixes of "Walking on Air" that were released, which obviously don't count. Kerli's official Buzznet lists her as "Electronica / Pop / Experimental", Discogs lists her EP as "Electronic, Pop, Rock", Love Is Dead as "Alternative Rock, Europop, Electro, Synth-pop, Industrial", and "Walking on Air" as "Electronic, Pop". I also noticed she's often labeled as just "rock". "Immortal" was originally written for her new album, and that definitely could be considered rock. Maybe "Pop, electronic, rock" for now? We can always visit this again once more songs are released. Right now, "Pop, electropop, dance-pop, alternative rock" looks like a mess. Scarce2 (talk) 03:50, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As I pointed, the source states clearly "Kerli's emergence into the dance scene", not just about "Walking on Air". Kerli's profile on Buzznet doesn't count. It's like the same for her MySpace page, which lists her music as "Chinese pop / Classic / Gothic". Discogs is not a reliable source since it's a music database. I think we should stick with alternative rock, since Billboard states her music is "alternative by nature", and yes, she is often labeled as rock, but putting "rock" and "alternative rock" would sound repetitive. I agree it looks like a mess. Lucas RdS (talk) 04:22, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Putting "rock" and "alternative rock" would in fact be so repetitive that it shouldn't even be considered, which is why I never suggested it, and actually wrote my final suggestion in bold ("Pop, electronic, rock"). I meant "rock" instead of "alternative rock" because of songs like "Immortal". Her Buzznet does count as she updates it daily and added those genres herself. Her Myspace doesn't count as it hasn't been updated in over a year. Discogs also shouldn't be dismissed altogether as it's community consensus and they happen to list everything she's done as electronic. Very few sources list her music as dance, even her newer music. Scarce2 (talk) 05:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we should go with "alternative rock" since there's a source for it. Well, I admit the influence of electronic music in her work in songs like "Hurt Me" and "Strange Boy". What do you think of "Pop, alternative rock, dance, electronic"? Lucas RdS (talk) 17:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * That looks good for now, until we get some more of her new music to judge from. Scarce2 (talk) 22:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Yeah, when her next album comes out, let's create another discussion for future changes over her music direction. Lucas RdS (talk) 23:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah that seems good — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shane-otis (talk • contribs) 16:30, 6 October 2012 (UTC) I think that maybe we could add some of Kerli's metal influences to the genres, Bulletproof, I feel immortal, She's in parties, and End of the world have all had metal in them. And i think that rave is worth mentioning because she has described her self as rave along with reviews; I think rave, electropop, alternative rock, and nu-metal could work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.130.75.232 (talk) 17:48, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Kerli Co-Wrote Demi's New Song!
Demi Lovato's new single "Skyscraper" is co-written by Kerli (I think). --Lena Cops (talk) 19:16, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 19:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. I've added it to this section of her discography page. I don't know if there's a good place to mention it on the main page.

Army of Love
This article says "Army of Love" is the lead single from her second album, but Kerli has said multiple times that Army of Love is not a single for her new album, and will not be included on it. - ErickAutumn (talk) 00:51, 14 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Source? Thatotherperson (talk/contribs) 07:36, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

soviet rule and not occupation
it should obviously be called rule not occupation--Shokioto22 (talk) 22:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * See Occupation of the Baltic states. --Jaan Pärn (talk) 22:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Ghost of You
Just putting this here for reference. Kerli didn't co-write "Ghost of You" by Selena Gomez & the Scene. See the song's entry on BMI as well as Kerli's reply to this question on Formspring where she says "I didn't write the ghost of you". Scarce2 (talk) 02:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Estonian SSR vs Estonia.
Estonia did not gain independence until 1991. Kerli was born in 187 when Estonia was officially known as Estonian SSR and was part of the Soviet Union. Until gaining its independence in 1991, Estonia was administered by and a subordinate of the Government of the Soviet Union. Therefore it is necessary to have her listed that she was born in Estonian SSR, Soviet Union. It is the same thing when you have people from Germany. If they were born prior to German unification, it needs to be listed whether they were born in GDR (East Germany) or in FRG (West Germany). Norum 21:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Between 1940–1991, Estonia was occupied by the Soviet Union (and in part by Nazi Germany during WWII), and regained independence in 1991. Thus, the country never ceased existing. The comparison with West and East Germany does not apply, because both FRG and GDR  had completely new constitutions after the demise of Nazi Germany, which itself came about after democracy was collapsed in the Weimar Republic.


 * Also, by your numbers, Kerli should be about 1829 years old, and the Soviet Union just did not exist then :) - Mardus /talk 22:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

About archive.is blacklisted links
I noticed the tag outlining archive.is links as blacklisted.

The problem is, that formspring.me URLs are all deadurls, and their archive.is snapshots are the only ones available, as archive.org (The Internet Wayback Machine) cannot access the same pages because of robots.txt.

So, in this edit, I added  to all citations containing archive.is URLs, and added this comment next to to each such citation:

Because of these issues, I also set  in the __Blacklisted-links__ tag. - Mardus /talk 22:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * There is an RfC at Archive.is RFC 4 with the proposal "Remove archive.is from the Spam blacklist and permit adding new links (Oppose/Support)".