Talk:Kettleby, Ontario

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To the contributor who has been adding the history information copied from the Kettleby website, I'd like to ensure you understand Wikipedia policy. Specifically, you mention on another user's talk page that you are webmaster for the village's website, and can confirm by email that the material is available for use on wikipedia. Unfortunately, this is not sufficient, for the following reasons:


 * a webmaster does not define the legal position of the town
 * there are no licence terms indicated on the website
 * the actual owner of the website is indeterminate (though most townname.on.ca domains are reserved by CIRA for the appropriate legal entity)

In order to include this information on Wikipedia, we need incontrovertible proof that we have the right to use it. Otherwise, we simply can't accept it. Mind matrix  01:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Who died and made you god?

The Kettleby Village website is the communication vehicle of the Kettleby Village Association (KVA,) a ratepayers group made up of the adult residents of and owners of businesses in the hamlet of Kettleby. The Kettleby Village Association Board is elected by the members of the KVA. As such, the Kettleby Village website and all of its contents are sanctioned by the KVA and are therefore fully legitimate for use on any other website. That would suggest our contributions to Kettleby in Wikipedia are far more valid than anything an outsider could provide.


 * First, don't deify me, I have no interest in being a god. Second, this is simply a legal issue. Stating that  the Kettleby Village website and all of its contents are sanctioned by the KVA and are therefore fully legitimate for use on any other website is presumptuous; the conclusion does not follow from the premise. If that was indeed the case, a legal disclaimer would be present on the village website to that effect. With no such disclaimer, we have to abide by Canadian federal copyright laws. I already know about the KVA and how it functions. Again, all I'm saying is that we need proof that this information can be used, not some vague promise. Once we have that proof, we'd gladly re-introduce the information. Mind  matrix  02:18, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * As webmaster of the http://www.village.kettleby.on.ca/ website, the simple solution is to add a notice to your website, stating that permission is granted to Wikipedia to reproduce the contents of the site. -- Usgnus 02:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, the information on that site would have to be made available as GFDL at a minimum, since that's the bare minimum that Wikipedia requires (remember, other companies etc. may copy all this content, so it cannot be encumbered in any way). But you're quite right, a copyright notice or disclaimer on the site is all that's required. Mind  matrix  02:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It is important to understand that Wikipedia does not merely reproduce your content. It would relicense the content under the GNU Free Documentation License, which is very different from copyright.  That is why Wikipedia editors must be so careful.
 * The amount of text, I think, is too long to simply excerpt under Fair use. There are, therefore, two ways to resolve this problem in accordance with Wikipedia copyright rules:  First, you can use the content as a source to get across the relevant information without using the same wording.  Alternately, the Kettleby website can indicate some kind of licensing policy compatible with Wikipedia. -Joshuapaquin 02:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Please also read Confirmation of permission, which is probably the most applicable policy for your particular case. This includes a standard form that is sent to content owners when someone claims that their content is being made freely available. Mind  matrix  16:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

As part of a research effort for King Township-related artiocles, I was reading a book called Early settlement of King Township Ontario by Elizabeth McClure Gillham, published in 1975 (ISBN 0969049862) (see UofT library listing). The website for Kettleby village lifts material directly from the book without attribution. The information provided by the anonymous user is now most certainly a copyright violation, and irrespective of any disclaimer placed on that website, cannot be accepted into Wikipedia. I'll probably write a brief history section based on my research, but any addition of information from here should be reverted immediately. Mind matrix  00:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)