Talk:Ketubah

Ketubah article links to commercial website(s)
Toward the very end of this Ketubah article, there is an External Link to an artist's commercial website. While the material for sale is lovely, I believe inclusion of this link contravenes Wikipedia.org's policy. I find nothing at the linked site that furthers knowlege of Ketubah beyond what is already included in the article and in other links. In my view it is simply an advertisement. Gina L. Serman Reid (talk) 01:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC)]]

Untitled
On Dec. 14, 2005, the page stated that a ketubah is a marriage document, such that the bride and groom are married once it is signed. I am correcting this because the marriage is accomplished in one of three ways: the gift of money or its equivalent (e.g. a ring), the transfer of a document that says simply "You (the woman) are married to me (the man)," or cohabitation. See Rambam, laws of Ishut, beginning of chapter 3. Rather, a ketubah places a monetary penalty on the husband if he divorces his wife, or on his estate if he dies and leaves her as a widow. Jewish marriages do require the payment of a ketubah, but in principle the marriage exists even without the ketubah. In fact, the concept of Ketubah may be Rabbinic (d'rabbanan) in origin (see Talmud Ketubot 10a). - YechielMan

Hello to all. Newbie here. I wanted to get an editorial opinion on an External Link I would like to include in the "Ketubah" article. The link would direct to the following article that I wrote about ketubah texts:

Description of ketubah texts

Does anyone have any thoughts? Thanks for your help!

Aafish 20:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I think this information should be part of the article, not only be available through an external link. How about you work that information into the article? I think that is much more desirable. JFW | T@lk  21:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion. Aafish 01:12, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Examples
I have another question for the editors: I added an external link to a page that provides both Hebrew and English translations of the traditional texts. I am a ketubah artist, and this page is on my own website (where ketubot are available for sale). However, I tried to make sure that the page itself contains no marketing -- but let me know if this might be considered too close to "advertising".

I added this link, because it is something I am asked about quite a lot, so I thought it would be beneficial to Wikipedia readers as well. I added it as a link because the text is quite long, and adding it directly to the entry would overwhelm it. Thank you.

DanSroka 09:51, 08 December 2005 (UTC)


 * How good of you to ask. If you think the examples are representative of ketubot it would be a useful link. Would you be willing to upload an image of a "standard" ketuba to grace this article? JFW | T@lk  16:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

The page I linked to contains the two texts traditionally used for Orthodox and Conservative ketubot, so it is relevant to the topic. As for an image of a ketubah, there is such a wide range of designs possible these days. I think it would be interesting to have two images: a sample of a traditional design (the New York Public Library has many from the 1800s), and one like mine which is a sample of a more modern design ((for example: http://www.modernketubah.com/ketubahs.php?collection=2&design=8)). What do you think? Dansroka 19:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Lieberman clause/Conservative texts
The Lieberman clause is a separate paragraph that stipulates that divorce will be adjudicated by a modern rabbinic court. Its intention is to remove the issue of agunot, women "chained" within a marriage that has ended for all intents and purposes but left without a get, a writ of divorce. This paragraph has nothing to do with the language about the basic 200 zuz which is owed upon dissolution of the marriage. I made changes to reflect and clarify these points. Thanks, Ravb


 * I added a section that the Rabbinical Council of America will not issue a Ketubah without a separate document being signed that is an equivalent of the Lieberman clause. I'm not aware of other Orthodox groups that do the same, but it would be good to add them.EGMichaels (talk) 18:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Types of ketubah
Hello again. I added a few sentences and a link to this article in November of 2005, and I noticed today that the link has been deleted. The link leads to an article I wrote on the various types of ketubah texts. Before adding this information, I asked the community if the information and link were appropriate, and I was told that they should be integrated into the body of the article. This dialogue can be seen two paragraphs below. I would like to return the link to its previous location. Please let me know your thoughts. Thank you for your help. Aafish 21:07, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The sentences on the various types should be reinserted as long as you have a good reliable source. The external link seems to be more an advertisement, and I don't think it satisfies our external links policy. JFW | T@lk  02:28, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Unclear section
Hi all,

As an "ex-Catholic married into a Jewish family" I find the following to be unclear, "Close family, friends or distant relatives are invited to witness the ketubah, which is considered an honour. The witnesses must be halakhically competent witnesses, and so cannot be a blood relative of the couple".

"Close family" but "cannot be a blood relative of the couple" seems to me to be contradictory. Is it saying that close family are invited to attend when the ketubah is read but for it to actually be valid there must be others present that are not blood relatives? Wolfhound668 (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't know if that is what the editor who wrote those lines had in mind, but that would be correct, yes. Debresser (talk) 16:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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