Talk:Kevin Alfred Strom

1600 SAT score?
WHEN did this guy take the test? When he was 17? Or when he was 37? Any reasonably intelligent adult can blow that test out of the water. Because it isn't DESIGNED to test adult skills. It's designed to test high school kids.

Did Strom take it in High School? Did he ever go to a college? If not, I say remove this pathetic pat-on-the-back remark. It's designed to make him seem like some sort of genius; and clearly, he isn't.

That is a great point as well. We should mention the ambiguous time in which he claims his score as well, as opposed to simply saying "Kevin Strom earned a perfect score on the SATs..."
 * A source would help the most. Benjiboi 03:26, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, he has never attended any university. Nor has he been very successful in the "pro-white" movement for that matter, as he has been expelled from the National Alliance, followed by the disbanding of the National Vanguard due to troubles with him and his personal life. We have no proof of his perfect SAT score at all, and that is because the only source is Kevin Strom himself!! Rock8591 00:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Children's Names
Someone recently introduced the names of Strom's children. Someone else (not me) reverted the changes. I support this. The most recent information available on the net indicates that the children are in the custody of Strom's ex-wife, who is trying to give them a normal upbringing. It's not their fault their father is involved in hate groups. Let's give them some space. Hatewatcher 00:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

More on the 1600 SAT score
My understanding is that Kevin Alfred Strom took the SAT at the standard age (17-18). The above remarks on this topic represent a highly biased and essentially useless point of view. Kevin Alfred Strom is clearly a man with a high IQ, and if not a university graduate, is certainly a man who is very personally well-read & informed. The idea that as a White Nationalist, he is somehow by definition not an intelligent man is simply unsuitable for an encyclopedic website such as Wikipedia.KevinOKeeffe 21:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If we had a reliable source for this information then it might be noteworthy. ·:· Will Beback  ·:· 07:53, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, he has never attended any university. Nor has he been very successful in the "pro-white" movement for that matter, as he has been expelled from the National Alliance, followed by the disbanding of the National Vanguard due to troubles with him and his personal life. We have no proof of his perfect SAT score at all, and that is because the only source is Kevin Strom himself!! Rock8591 00:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He was expelled from the National Alliance at a time when it had basically ceased to exist, due to gross mismanagement following the death of Dr. Pierce; he was expelled for trying to end that gross mismanagement (as was I). Back when the National Alliance actually mattered, under Dr. Pierce's leadership, he served for many years as its Media Director, and thus was one of those most prominent American National Socialists of the post-Second World War era. KevinOKeeffe (talk) 08:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Elisha Strom & Allegations of Strom's Celibate Second Marriage, and the use of Overthrow.com as a source
I deleted the remarks in which it is stated that Elisha Strom told the Southern Poverty Law Center that she and Mr. Strom never had sexual relations during the years she was married to him. I have a slight acquaintance with Elisha Strom, and she claims the Southern Poverty Law Center fabricated this claim ie., that she never made it.

Additionally, Bill White's website, Overthrow.com, was cited as the source for this allegation on the part of the SPLC. Bill White's own Wikipedia article contains substantial info calling into question his reliability as a source. Frankly, anyone who believes anything they read at Bill White's Overthrow.com is a bit of a fool. Its (literally) chock full of stories about how he beat up 10 bikers at once, for instance. The entire site is laughable (it reads almost as a parody; see for yourself if you don't believe me), and should NEVER be cited as a source for Wikipedia on ANY topic, not just Kevin Alfred Strom (Bill White hates Kevin Alfred Strom, and has publicly released an open letter to Kevin Alfred Strom in which he lauds the idea of his being homosexually raped; clearly Mr. White is not an objective source on this issue). I'd further maintain he's not a credible source on any other topic (and anything posted on Overthrow.com should be assumed to have been authored by Bill White, unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, and even then its questionable).KevinOKeeffe 21:58, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with KevinOKeeffe, I stumbled upon that site as well and it is VERY laughable. For example, here is an article they have on Kevin Strom - notably the final paragraph. Rock8591 00:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not trying to make fun of you, but I think that you need a sourcefor the first claim. Smith Jones (talk) 02:47, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * O'Keefe is of a questionable source himself as he's an admitted friend of this pedophile piece of garbage Nazi scum Kevin Strom, meaning he is likely a white supremacist and biased. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.162.204.39 (talk) 09:24, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

RfC
An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Secondary Sources are Hearsay
This article relies too much on secondary sources. While other people saying he was a fascist/nazi/racist IS relevant, it should be providing context for what he did that was actually fascist/nazi/racist. There is one quote in there showing his obvious horrific racism, but the other claims are only hearsay based on this article. To put this another way, it would be pretty easy to find sources that say President Obama is fascist/nazi/racist. That doesn't mean he is any of those things. It means people love hyperbole. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:BC7C:CE20:254A:D807:9B6E:D27B (talk) 09:52, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This is an encyclopedia and thus a tertiary source. We rely primarily on reliable secondary sources. If RISS's say that KAS is a fascist/Nazi/racist then we say that he os a fascist/Nazi racist. There is no such thing as relying "too much on secondary sources" at Wikipedia unless those secondary sources are unreliable.47.137.184.131 (talk) 02:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Maintenance of innocence
The fact that Strom maintains his innocence seems, to me, to be extremely relevant to the article. However, it's just tucked away at the end of the trial section of the article. From the source I ascertain that Mr. Strom pleaded guilty in order to minimise his sentence and avoid being separated from his own family for even longer.

However, someone reading only the introduction to the article for a quick summary of Strom's notability would only see that he pleaded guilty to charges of child pornography. Is this not omitting an important point? I'll add the relevant information to the introduction if there's no dispute on this subject, but it might start an edit war if I do so without first leaving this query. This is, after all, a legal matter.

Edit: Also, apparently his counselor found him to be free of paedophilia. This, too, may be relevant enough for inclusion in the article. Kapitulasjon (talk) 09:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


 * There is absolutely no reason to add anything about Strom "maintaining his innocence." Many convicted felons do that, and make the same sort of claims about selective prosecution and "I was framed" that Strom has made.


 * The actual real world fact is that Strom pled guilty, was convicted of felonies and was sent to prison for his crimes. No excuse-making or claims to the contrary will change that.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.104.142 (talk) 03:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

See my notice re possible UNDUE below. Zezen (talk) 08:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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Misattribution Quote
Can someone confirm that Voltaire really didn't say "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"? It doesn't seem correct to assume that having a quote of similar wording implies ownership. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.53.106 (talk) 16:16, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * This really isn't a WP:RFC, but nevermind. Strom says he's often misquoted. Wikiquote says it's not Voltaire's, but Wikiquote isn't a reliable source. And see this. No sources before 2012. Doug Weller  talk 17:13, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
 * RFC removed as it isn't really RFC. Anyway, since the sources around this are unreliable, until such time that there is sufficient evidence to say that Voltaire didn't quote this, can this section be rewritten such that it is made clear that Strom does not own Voltaire's quote?

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Undue
This is what appears in the Google/StartPage etc. summary box as pulled from WP tags:

Kevin Alfred Strom American criminal Kevin Alfred Strom (born...

I posit it is wp:undue. Zezen (talk) 08:10, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 * How is it WP:UNDUE? Strom is an American and a convicted criminal. Facts are facts. 47.137.184.131 (talk) 02:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC)


 * No facts are only facts when it serves to vilify right-wing figures, never left-wing, you won't see 'criminal' anywhere near the top of Saint George Floyd(hallowed be his name)'s article even though he had committed several crimes or anyother figure that the left idealizes no matter how much of a criminal they are. But wikipedia is such a joke and a disgrace to everything it was built on and it long stopped pretending it was anything but a leftist-led 'encyclopedia that anyone can edit' now so yeah. The Stasi would be immensely proud of this site, they would have loved to have a place like wikipedia. Caelus81 (talk) 13:07, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

While I find Caelus81's commentary inflammatory, I also believe it is an undue fact which should not be present in the lead. Veverve (talk) 13:15, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Comments like the above are not helpful, if you want to rant about the supposed bias of Wikipedia please find somewhere else to do it, there are a number of places that welcome it. As to the actual content question, it is a simple matter of what they are most known for, be it George Floyd or this neonazi, so I agree that "criminal" is undue and support it's removal despite the fact that,on a personal level, I wouldn't give this guy a glass of water even if he was on fire. That's how it is supposed to work here, despite the enraged comments to the contrary above. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:41, 16 April 2021 (UTC)


 * User:Beeblebrox, User:Veverve has scrubbed any mention of Strom's child pornography guilty plea from the lede. I note that User:Zezen appears to be a cryptonazi and has been indef bsnned by the community for a long history of violently antisemitic/anti-LGBTQ edits. When I google "Kevin Alfred Strom," many of the results are about his arrest and guilty plea. Therefore it is not undue weight to include it in the lede. Schierbecker (talk) 05:29, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * It certainly seems questionable to exclude from the lede something which is discussed in depth in the article, and in so many of the sources cited. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:52, 15 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I support restoration of charges to the lead given its prominence in reliable sources and in the article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 16:03, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I also support restoring the conviction (not just charges!) to the lead. In general, the lead needs some expansion to summarize the body. The body also needs expansion; for example, Strom's Holocaust denialism is mentioned in the lead but not in the body. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with this. The purpose of the lead is to be a summary of the article.  There is an entire section on Strom's conviction, amounting to more than a quarter of the total length of the article; if it's due weight to discuss at that length it is surely also due weight to include in the lead.  On the other hand, "holocaust denier" appears in the lead sentence, infobox, and categories, and yet is not discussed in the article body at all and is relatively weakly sourced.  A throwaway comment in Voltaire: A Very Short Introduction is probably not sufficient for such a claim in a BLP – the author is an expert on Voltaire, not holocaust denial or the American far right! Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:06, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Jewish history
How is this article part of Jewish history? Is Strom a Jew? 47.137.179.4 (talk) 21:12, 27 March 2023 (UTC)