Talk:Kevin Federline/Archive 1

CAN WE BE NEUTRAL OR NOT?
Placed on top because this has become the Number One issue afflicting this page. OK, can we be neutral or not here? This article is clearly becoming the I Hate Kevin page coz he's a cunt and we know it. Why do people keep calling Federline the ex husband of Spears? Their divorce is clearly final. Why do we need three paragraphs of quoted poor reviews when we all know he's a cunt? It suffices to say that he has received a swift kick in the nuts by critics coz he's a cunt. The sex tape issue is vandalism but boy i'd luv to see britney gettin' screwed even by that cunt. Someone keeps trying to add it. Both Spears and Federline deny it exists, deny they are trying to sell "it", etc., and therefore its a dead issue other then "major news outlets" repeating the lies as he is a cunt. I cant think of any other celebrity whose page is so often vandalized other than this federline cunt!!!! Michaelh2001 08:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

YOU KNOW YOU EDITORS ARE RUINING WIKIPEDIA I LOOK AT ARTICLES NOW AND HALF THE INFORMATION IS GONE BECAUSE SOMEBODY COMPLAINED OR SOMETHING LEAVE IT AS LONG AS IT'S TRUE... HE CAN HAVE A PUBLICIST ADD POSITIVE THINGS ALSO I MEAN WE AREN'T EVEN GETTING INFORMATION ANYMORE BECAUSE SOME ONE THINKS IT'S UNFAIR HIS ALBUM WAS UNIVERSALLY TRASHED BY MUSIC CRITICS THE WAY THE ARTICLES READS IT'S LIKE YEA SOME PEOPLE LIKE IT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WHEN IN REALITY IT'S LIKE 99% OF PEOPLE THINK ITS TRASH AND A FEW people LIKE IT I MEAN YOU GUYS NEED SOME COMPETITION OR SOMETHING LIKE FOX NEWS BECAUSE THIS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS FOGGING THE TRUTH IT'S GETTING RIDICULOUS SOMEONE READING THIS ARTICLE MAY ACTUALLY BELIEVE FED EX IS CAPABLE OF WINNING A GRAMMY WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO NEXT WRITE OSAMA BIN LADEN IS A NICE GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I give you a D- for your grammar. You also shouldn't use Caps Lock, it makes me feel like you are yelling at me. Caps Lock is not cruise control for awesome. I meant that in some cases the facts condemn people. When being a resource for reliable information, the last thing you should worry about is someone's feelings! 22 December 2006

I give the both of you an "F" because neither one of you signed your name. Now look, it's an encylopedia to provide information to those who want it, not to bash somebody. If you make a comment, please make it a suggeston or something.Cobra wwe 04:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * How about this: Removing facts that cast a person in a bad light *because* it casts the person in a bad light is just as biased as an article purporting to "trash" him.  If his most notable media role is as an easy punchline (the only time you see him mentioned in the news, tabloids, referenced by other celebrities, etc is when they make some sort of joke about him) so that is pretty relavent, I think.  75.46.150.79 22:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Dicipline of this article because of Vandelism
Stop all of the Controversy on this article, and obey the Vandalelism Laws Meaning-- Say somthing nice about, we are not a K-Fed Haters Club! Get it Together!!!! -wwe_stacykeibler_fan

Nicknames?
Can we add Fed-Ex to the list now?

I don't think so, considering it's a nickname that isn't widely used like K-Fed.
 * Per Google, it's very widely used now.EdwardG

How about "white trash," or "loser?" or are those considered more definition terms?
 * Those aren't common nicknames for Federline.EdwardG
 * Yes they are, dumbass!

bias?
bas Whether he is/isn't a celebrity or does/doesn't suck at rapping is perhaps debatable, but does anyone else think the page more than hints at a bias toward being negative? I personally hate rap, and only navigated to this page because I read the CNN article about the divorce. The article (here, not CNN) mentions his rap being about "weed, fighting, etc." Isn't all popular rap pretty much drugs, sex, and violence? AnarchyElmo 03:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The introduction to the article alone is NPOV, so I have added the NPOV tag. --Melissa Della 09:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason the introduction talks about his impending divorce is because that's the most current information on him, not because we're gloating. Thor Rudebeck 14:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The Federline nicknames in the introduction aren't flattering, but they are commonly used. Not all nicknames cast a favorable light. For example, the late President Nixon was frequently (and derisively) tagged with the nickname, "Tricky Dick". Yet if you utter that nickname, everyone knows you are referring to the late President.EdwardG
 * The entire section Musician reads as a critical review instead of a statement of facts. There should be a separate section for Critical/Public Reaction, and the whole article needs to be more neutral in language. I'm baffled that you think this article is neutral; clearly I'm not the only person who sees the bias. --Melissa Della 13:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The defining attributes for a professional musician are: Critical reviews, tours, awards, and sales. His tour is covered within the article, as well as his sales. Outside of the Associated Press, you won't find professional praise for his musical works to date. If you wanted a separate section on popular (non-professional) critical acceptance, you could add it. We've been forced to deleted that section before, as others decided to vandalize it, or reference some rather unflattering views of Federline.EdwardG
 * But we dont need to pile it on. Before I shortened it, it was 1/7, with one good review and 7 bad. That is supposed to be balanced? Even now it is 1/4, which is fair because most of his reviews have been bad. But do we keep piling it on? Piling it on is not NPOV. I've committed to watching this article for as long as it takes to keep it within Wikipedia's NPOV standards. Michaelh2001 17:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not that I'm a huge fan of rap, but the statement that all rap is about drugs, sex and violence is pretty ignorant. There is definite social commentary in some - what you've said is like saying all metal is about hatred and Satan. 204.14.248.8 20:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Federline IS unquestionably a celebrity whether you like him or not
Federline IS a celebrity. Being a celebrity has to do with public interest and knowledge. It has nothing to do with being an actor, singer, etc. It's ridiculous to say Federline is not a celebrity because you feel he hasn't earned it because celebrity is not something that is earned, it's something a person just has.


 * In my opinion, Federline is a celebrity, and it has everything to do with appearances on TV, attempts to become a rapper, who he married, etc. If you think that Federline emerged from his mother's womb a celebrity, I encourage you to enter that into the Kevin Federline article. Just be sure to use proper citations. EdwardG

While there should be no bias in the reporting of Federline, it is good to have sources. On Kevin Federline's page it states that he has been compared to Eminem. There is no source. I think that everything should have a source unless it is a rumor and is prefaced with the fact that it is a rumor. I don't know and haven't heard anyone actually compare Kevin Federline's ability to rap with Eminem's. I'm not Eminem's biggest fan but I do respect him as an artist and do not think that someone who likes Kevin Federline should be able to write that he has been compared to Eminem without it having a reference.


 * White rappers with little hair and no talent, how are they not going to get compared together?

Status of his Celebrity is viable
I disagree with last person, because "the quality of being a celebrity" has nothing to do with it, because if this was true; paris hilton is not a celebrity? nicole hilton is not a celebrity? nicole richie is not a celebrity? a porn star is not a celebrity? a known person and a celebrity are two different breeds i agree, the distinction is; a known person is just that, one known to the general public for (X) reason. but a celebrity, is one who after becoming this-sed known person; out of there own will try to stay in the lime-light so to speak. mr. federline became a known person because of his wife. that is true, but he stays in the limelight because of the music he makes available (either good or bad, is still however perpetuating a career) and shows he puts on (the mtv awards 2006, he did the closing act), and his openness to the press that his demeanor infront of the latter, resembles a person releasing a CD album each interview and trying to perpetuate his personal sed-career. the conclusion is personaly good or bad, he is definately a celebrately and it could be argued because of the high placement in the echelon of celebrity status that his wife has. it might be argued he is a major celebrity, because of people concious of him because of X or Y reason. however it doesnt have to mean though he is liked or admired.
 * These people you mention have had televison shows, have record albums in Billbord Top 200, have celeb parents. K-Fed's music has not gained much attention (per Billbord charts) outside of web and tv tabloids and satire. Hackajar 21:53, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see why this requires this much discussion. He's in the news, we're talking bout him, we're reading about him, and he is a focus of attention for the public.  He's a celebrity.  anonymous 21:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

K-Fed sucks so bad!!! He thinks he's all gangsta, but he's not. He's gonna get shot by real gangstas one day!!! He is such a wigger... he's not a real celebrity, the only reason he's famous is because he married Britney Spears!!!!!! K-Fed has no talent.

This page is weird
It doesn't appear to be accurate. I don't think "K-Fed" is a real celebrity. I don't like this page.
 * I agree.
 * qft

Celebrity Status
I argue Federline is NOT an "American Celebrity", but married to one. This would be like LeAnn Rimes husband, Dean Sheremet, being chalked up to celeb status because she is. He meet her in the same fashon as Federline meet Spears, being a backup dancer for the star, but is NOT recognized in same light as she. Further, being posted in tabloids and gossip magazines constantly, to draw attention to their odd lifestyle, does not afford this status either IMHO. Hackajar 16:07, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * From Wiktionary
 * celebrity


 * 1. a person who has a high degree of recognition by the general population; fame
 * 2. the quality of being a famous person
 * Tabloids and gossip magazines tend to focus on famous celebrities. Kevin Federline has a high degree of recognition by the general population.  That's one reason why he has a Wikipedia article and Dean Sheremet does not.  Don't get me wrong, Kevin Federline has done very little to warrant his celebrity, but he still has it - to state otherwise would be to deny the bittersweet truth of life.  Reverting.  --Dwiki 21:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Tabloids and gossip magazines tend to focus on famous celebrities. Kevin Federline has a high degree of recognition by the general population.  That's one reason why he has a Wikipedia article and Dean Sheremet does not.  Don't get me wrong, Kevin Federline has done very little to warrant his celebrity, but he still has it - to state otherwise would be to deny the bittersweet truth of life.  Reverting.  --Dwiki 21:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Weak :( Hackajar 06:39, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm open to other suggestions of how this sentence could be re-phrased. If I recall, this article used to define Federline by his qualities - as a dancer/rapper, etc.  The "married to" phraseology belittles Federline, though; it implies a humorous truth bandied about in the media - that Federline is a leech who ruins the beautiful Spears.  True, perhaps, but unverifiable and also potentially completely false.  How's about this:  Kevin Earl Federline (born March 21, 1978, in Fresno County, California, USA) is an American rapper and dancer. Or something else.  Let's discuss it here.  --Dwiki 16:22, 15 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Perhaps something along the lines of is an aspiring American rapper and successful dancer. Although "successful dancer" does not really describe what type of dancing and could lead to lots of defacing troll remarks (E.g. "exotic dancer" might be put in it's place). Hackajar 16:27, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, trolls we can handle. It was like that for a long time, if I recall correctly.  I like "rapper and dancer" because they are neutral as to how good he is at rapping and dancing.  Aspiring implies that he's not good at it, which is a judgement call, which is NPOV.  Kevin Federline does pass the test laid down by Notability (music) and I'm afraid that makes him a notable rapper/dancer as far as Wikipedia is concerned.  --Dwiki 16:42, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Celebrity means a Widely known person according to Dictionary.com. It has NOTHING to do with why the person is widely known. This notion that you have to be an actor or a singer to be a celebrity is so out of date it's not even funny. Paris Hilton and Federline are both celebrities because the public is aware of them and is interested in them. That's what celebrity means. Plain and simple.


 * Federline is a recorded artist. No matter what got him that contract he is still a recorded artist who performed in concerts. He has also recently had a cameo on television. He is a celebrity. The people who say he is not are not basing that on fact, only on their personal opinion of him. I happen to have a neutral opinion of Federline (neither positive nor negative) as I dont know that much about him. Wikipedia is not here to be a soap box for people who dont like Federline or anyone else. He is a celebrity, so lets allow the article to remain and leave the hateful nonsense to the tabloids. Michaelh2001 06:16, 6 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes he is a recording artist, Michaelh2001. But that does not give anyone license to delete non-tabloid sourced facts.EdwardG 18:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah but face it, he wouldn't be an artist no album selling no WWE appearance if he wasn't married to Britney Spears when he was her back-up dancer, ill refer to him as a celeb, but who leached off of Britney Spears From:RIPped
 * But how far will you take that? Britney would not have been famous had her agent not made the right connections for her, or had she not been in contact with certain people early in her career.  Therefore, Britney Spears is not a celebrity.  You can use that reasoning with anyone to belittle their status.  But will the person appear in the news the next day?  That's a sign of a celebrity...

Celebrity Status
Kevin Federline if he became divorcecd from Britney Spears would never ever be watched by the public again. The music he makes is of such a terrible nature that it would be totally ignored by the pulbic and the hip hop community if he was a unknown and eventhough it does mean so think about it. And the idea that a person can become famous has been around since forever people have been famous for doing nothing for huge amounts of time. The only difference is that we encourage it as a generation.

If you want to see if he's a celebitry take him away from britney for a month and see if the magazines care about him.

Celebrity Status is Transitory
For now Federline is a celebrity, in that he is capable of making the news without the direct assistance of Spears. What constitutes a celebrity is transitory. With the passage of time, Federline may not pass the "Google" test, at which time the article could be nominated for deletion.

The bottom line is that if Wikipedia had started in the 1950s, it would be populated with thousands of minor Hollywood personalities. Each personality would have generated hundreds of vintage Google hits due to the gossip columns. And yet none of them would survive within our collective memories with the passage of time.

Lack of Originality
jesus this guy is just a pity...The MYSPACE background design is a complete ripoff of NIRVANA's typeset (though it is a general font )along with the commonly used black and silver color scheme.- Photo by Michael Thompson- Design by CD --Alembic 10:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

You said: so obviously lacking npov. k-feds people wrote this themselves: "When Kevin boarded a Greyhound bus to L.A. in 1997 in search of a career in the entertainment industry not even he could have predicted his meteoric rise to fame and fortune. Public interest in Federline is massive. He is one of the most sought after celebrities for paparazzi and is constantly written about in the tabloids. In many ways, Federline is an icon of modern day fame, which is based on public interest in a person's privileged lifestyle." please! do they mention he is the butt of every joke in america? god, someone fix this.

--I think the comments are completely accurate. It says "public interest is massive". It doesn't say the public thinks highly of him. A simple google news search or glance at the supermarket tabloid section verifies what's written in this section (which is simply that there is great public interest in him).

"According to femalefirst.co.uk, it all began when he slipped away with little Sean Preston to get the baby's ears pierced. When Spears learned about the plan, she and several bodyguards sped off in different cars and headed 'em off at the pass. Seems Big Mama felt A) 4 months is too young to put holes in a kid's head (especially one who hasn't had all his shots); B) he'd be mistaken for a girl; and C) the poor baby would look "like trailer trash." Sean Preston - unpierced - is safe at home at the family's Los Angeles double-wide." http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/entertainment/1138700084122070.xml&coll=2 66.251.25.137 11:30, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Is this really a stub anymore? It doesn't look like there's much to be said about Kevin Federline. GoodSirJava 23:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Do not visit the kevin-federline.com link... it put a trojan horse on my computer that (thankfully) my virus scan caught.

What's with the link for the Britneyonline at the bottom? It looks like it's an edit put in for personal promotion.

I can't believe they haven't divorced yet.


 * although it shouldnt be propper of wikipedia to become a tabloid, i believe theres much on mr. Federline to comment, as his rumoured affairs and long trips to Vegas (posibly on using the Spears piggy bank) to a recently being kicked out by Britney from her house, to then be taken back...

It is rumoured that Federline is asking for 125 million dollars for the divorce... classy.


 * douche. Myrockstar 03:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

CafePress link: should it go away?
Should the CafePress shirt link in the article go away? Could it be considered as advertising for someone's CafePress store? --Takeel 23:19, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

"K-Fed"
Apparently Kevin hates being referred to as K-Fed, and that its a media-appointed nickname. I suggest the blurb related to this should be restated.

Do you have a source for that? Because I'd love to restate it. Dwiki 06:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * This might be a possible source. It even claims to have an mp3 of the interview: http://www.sohh.com/articles/article.php/8174 --Takeel 22:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's a link to that article now under External Links labeled: "Kevin Federline: 'Don't Call Me K-Fed!!'" that I added recently, and I forgot to follow up here. I'm considering it a source.

-Dwiki 23:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Have you ever listened to "Y'all Ain't Ready?" In the song, he refers to himself as K-Fed.  The chorus is "Back then they called me K-Fed but you can call me Daddy instead.  Back then they called me K-Fed but you can call me Daddy instead."

I just added the nickname K-Fed. Feel free to remove it. But in my opinion, we should state nicknames even if the person called that nick doesn't happen to like it.

Even in WWE, they refer to him as K-fed FROM:RIPped


 * Federline refers to himself as K-Fed in his song, "Privilege." "...K-Fed living comfortably..." Michaelh2001 17:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

"Popozão"
This is slang for "big ass", not "great ass" as originally stated in the wiki entry. It's not unlike "badunkadunk" which may imply "great ass" but really just means "big booty".

--Uhhh...wow Someone should delete that rant. Obviously written by an 8 year old IMO--Donnie from the mean streets of Boston, KY 00:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's the best writing here :)

"produced by Brazilian producer Disco D"
Disco D grew up in the Detroit suburbs (Troy, MI). I've been to a few house parties at the University of Michigan - Ann Arbor where he was DJing (circa 2001). Maybe his parents were Brazilian (I really have no idea), but the few times I talked to him, he seemed as American as you could imagine.

Actually, disco d is american. he has come to brazil several times, has lots of friends here and hes engaged with a brazilian actress. luciana vendramini.

NPOV
Hey, we all hate K-Fed, but this article is biased against him and it relies on hearsay. Here's the first 5 things I noticed. 1. Mention of his lack of diploma in opening paragraph. 2. Snide "plans to get diploma" reference. 3. Mention of Spears buying wedding ring. Evidence? 4. Pre-nup (lol k-fed's poor) 5. All of "Public Reception." I'm new to the NPOV discussion but basically I think there's a way to present these facts in a less uh, mean way. Also, rumored terms I am not okay with. -Dwiki 06:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, made some major edits. Let's try to keep this entry clean, people.  Also, feedback? --Dwiki 20:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Dare I say, the latest version is approaching NPOV. - EdwardG 13:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, dont we all have better things to do with our lives then hate this guy? Really, what has he done to deserve hate? Who has he murdered? What child did he rape? What illegal war did he get us in to? Why is it so hard for people to have a neutral point of view about someone they dont know, will never meet and whose life does not in any way impact their own? This national obsession with hating Federline is truly weird. Neither Brittany nor Kevin deserve hate or scorn. There is an element of third grade gossip and stupidity in this whole discussion page. Did someone call him a "douche bag"? Wow, how insightful. Did someone else post a rant telling Federline to "suck monkey balls"? OK, let us know when 4th grade starts, will ya? Get a grip, people! Michaelh2001 18:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Beef With DJ Quik
It has been Stated on BET that Federline has Beef with DJ Quik...Federline Claming that he is a better Rapper than Quik and all...I swear this guy is gonna wind up getting him self killed if he keeps talking all this smack

HAH even i think Wrestler John Cena is a better rapper than he is


 * Not that its really relevant to the article, but Weird Al is a better rapper. That's pretty harsh. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.218.89.102 (talk) 21:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC).

Dropout?
Is there a source on that high school dropout statment? Provided it's true, I see no reason not to include it, but I removed it from the opening paragraph since it doesn't seem to define him as a person (no jokes, please). --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 15:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Making it Big
A POV (and unencyclopedically written at that) section written by an IP. I vote to delete. any seconds to that motion? -- preschooler @  heart   my talk  -  contribs  06:49, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just while i was leaving the last comment a "living large" heading was added with *gasp* what car kevin drives, by another (i think the same) IP adress. if you read this, IP, please register or sign in. -- preschooler @  heart   my talk  -  contribs  06:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * This section is only a single sentence and two images. The sentence is grossly POV, and the images have no copyright information attached.  I believe that the section should be wholly revised or removed. --Takeel 18:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC) - "Grossly POV?" It stated that like most millionaire celebrities he drove an exotic car. How is that a "point of view"? It's a fact.
 * This doesn't even deserve a discussion, but since one was started I won't just speedily delete it. Atropos 00:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The section is accurate. It says "public interest is massive". It doesn't say the public thinks highly of him. A simple google news search or glance at the supermarket tabloid section verifies what's written in this section (which is simply that there is great public interest in him).


 * I finally removed it. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:41, 17 April 2006 (UTC)


 * the Making It Big section is factual and not a point of view.

Kevin Federline Fanclub
I am not sure why the link to the kevin federline fanclub keeps getting removed from the "External links" section. It is a valid website about Kevin Federline. Can someone explain to me why it is getting removed? If there's no reason, then stop removing it. The world needs to know about all of the Kevin Federline links on the internet.


 * Okay, here's why. First of all, even though you didn't sign this post, your username is Glaze, as in Glaze from Irish Toothache, who runs the site.  So, basically, you're asking me why I removed the link to your site that you added.  Well, for one, your site ridicules Federline, although very subtly and tongue-in-cheek.  See  for an example.  This wouldn't be so bad, but it often seems to fool people visiting the site into thinking it's an official Federline fanclub.  I can imagine a scenario where the link would be appropriate here, but there would need to be an explanation to unsuspecting visitors regarding the true nature of your site.  However, I'm not going to be the one to re-add the link, and it's a conflict of interest for you to do so.  See .  Secondly, I'm deleting it because you added it to drive traffic to a site that makes you money.  That's linkspam, and it's inappropriate for Wikipedia.  See  --Dwiki 23:23, 10 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, i guess you have some valid points. But, neither I nor anyone affiliated with the website has made a cent off of it. In fact, it has cost us money to have it up.  I just wanted to put the link up to let people who are interested in Kevin Federline know about a site that they might enjoy.  There are a lot of good resources on the site.  Links to news articles, a photo gallery, etc... are all available.  I don't appreciate being called a spammer.  Since you seem to know everything about the wikipedia it's guidelines and what is right and wrong for everyone on it, why don't you add the description or note next to the link instead of deleting it.  I would, but apparently I am not allowed to do that myself, according to the wikipolice.  I'm not trying to hide, i just didn't know how to sign these discussions.  So here it is.  --Glaze


 * All right, I'm sorry I lost my temper. I certainly don't want to discourage your contributions to Wikipedia.  This article gets a lot of defacement, and it's hard for those of us who strive to keep it at a readable level to keep up with so many people with their own agendas constantly in a tug-of-war.  I'm not sure I consider your site notable, but that's just me, and I strongly opposed to using Wikipedia as a way to promote ones own ventures.  I'll be happy to add the link back in if you can point me at some resources elsewhere on the Internet that explain the nature of the site, and how the site is noteworthy.  Oh, and sign posts (~) --Dwiki 16:58, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The site is noteworthy ecause it is dedicated to kevin federline, whether there is some humor or fun poking on the site, it is in no way agressive or meant to attack federline...it is merely a celebration of what he represents--Glaze 19:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I, for one, think that the link should be allowed in the article. While the site in question does allow people to post their opinions, good or bad, about him, it is primarily a site providing news about, and pictures of, Kevin Federline.  --Anthony1983


 * Well, I'm glad there's interest in the site. I changed the description in the link to better reflect what you just mentioned.  Again, my primary concern is about preventing linkspam and making sure that Wikipedia isn't being used by anyone to self-promote.  In this case, I just wanted to make sure that anyone involved with or is friends of Irish Toothache understands how important it is for them to refrain from adding or modifying a link to kevin federline fanclub.  Again, Notability and Autobiography are two important documents here.  --Dwiki 00:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Dwiki, thanks for coming around and adding the site to the links section. I have a suggestion though.  Can you take the "an unofficial clearinghouse for praise and parody of Federline" verbiage out of the link name, and just put it in text next to the link after a dash.  So it would look like this:  Kevin Federline Fanclub - an unofficial clearinghouse for praise and parody of Federline.  Again, I'd do it myself but it's against the law.  Seems like a victimless crime to me but I guess rules are rules.  --Glaze 02:56, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally, I want to make absolutely sure anyone who clicks on the link knows that they're not visiting an official Kevin Federline fanclub. The link's fine.  I mean, I still wonder if it ever would have made it to the links section if you hadn't added it, but I guess we'll never know.  For now, if someone doesn't like how it looks, they'll change it.  If nobody cares, it'll stay like that for years, and the world will keep on spinning.  Ultimately, it's like the prime directive on Star Trek.  Sometimes it hurts to leave it alone, but it's for the best in the end.  --Dwiki 04:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * If the site is not official, then I assert that it most certainly should not be described as an official fanclub in the article. --Takeel 21:45, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with Glaze here. In no way does the fan club site have to be official.  Nor can the site moderators regulate what is written on the site by either fans or haters.  The site merely serves as a place for both to meet and discuss their points of view regarding this celbrity.  If you constantly remove the link to the site, I would have to begin to go through each of the other celebrity sites and begin to question the validity of each and every link that is posted.  You could simply leave the link on this page, and distinguish it as the unofficial meeting place to discuss viewpoints on the status of his celebrity.  Wikipolice, take note, this will not simply go away. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Loocious (talk • contribs).

Kevin Federline Fanclub. That's what we call in America an oxymoron.

Vandal
This page of wiki has been reverted 4-5 times a day due to vandals, adding protection tag to top of page. Hackajar 10:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If you wish for the article to be semi-protected, you may request it. --Emufarmers(T/C) 13:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)


 * If vandalizing this article is wrong, then I don't wanna be right :p (And no, I've never actually vandalized it myself, but man do I enjoy it when someone does)--RicardoC 23:23, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Children
This needs to be updated, as Britney gave birth to their second son together at 2 AM on Tuesday, September 12, 2006. Can you imagine the attention they would get had the child been born on September 11? It was done by c-section, so they could dictate the date of birth, and perhaps had intentionally planned it so it would NOT occur on September 11.
 * Ah... what? Cesarean makes the baby come out earlier, not later.  Perhaps you're thinking of a time machine. --Dwiki 04:29, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Does it really matter if somebody is born on September 11th? Especially if it WASN'T in 2001? Hell, I was born on the same day John Lennon was assassinated, albeit 3 years later...big freaking deal. fuzzybunny566 03:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I just found that co-Columbine shooter Dylan Klebold was oddly enough born on September 11, 1981 according to his wiki page...maybe that's what you were getting at...still it was 20 years prior...hell, Moby was born on 09-11-65...the only person I can find who fits is Chase Nixon, the son of Boston Red Sox right fielder Trot Nixon, who was born on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. If young Chase grows up to become the anti-Christ...then I will take back everything. Hehe...just don't take it all seriously. 24.63.183.233 04:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You've got to remember who we're talking about - celebrities. This decision, if it is true, was made so that the joyous occasion of future birthday parties wouldn't conflict with solemn memorials of the 9/11 victims. anonymous 04:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Midgets
Wait, so the midget thing WASN'T true? Damn, and I thought I had just won a $5 bet. 24.63.183.233 04:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Add Kevin Federline
when the page is open again for editing. Thanks--Lence 02:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Divorce
Isn't it a little strange to have the divorce statement in the introduction even before mentioning he was married to Britney Spears? I think it would make more sense to place the divorce statement in the personal life section. 24.6.22.213 22:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The subject's learning of his divorce via text message is conjecture. I've seen the video the person who wrote this is referring to, and while that may be have been the case, there is no way to know this really happened. It can be added later if it is verified, but since it was just yesterday it's way too soon to post as fact. --Jhlynes 20:06, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

I love the fact there's a picture of him getting the message, although a bit insensitive...--Fluffy Kitten 20:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say it was a bit convenient. ;)  anonymous 21:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Divorce
Britney recently filed for divorce from Kevin.

Source of Fame
I don't think that he is "perhaps" most famous for being married to Britney Spears, as he has done little else to warrant fame, besides getting a divorce from her. I propose that that word be deleted.
 * Fame is based on what the public "likes" about a person. Being married to Spears is a part of that, but surely there was some doing on his part.  He wasn't the first to be married to Spears.  I've already forgotten about the other guy.  Kevin has put some work into keeping the spotlight on himself, which goes beyond merely being Mr. Spears.

If K-Fed weren't married to Britney there would not even be a Wikipedia article about him.
 * Had Britney not been accepted by the Mickey Mouse Club, she would most likely not have a Wikipedia page, either. If Carrie underwood didn't have American idol, she'd be singing in local pubs, if even that.  Let's not confuse what people are famous for with what got their foot through the door.  Even making the statement of what they are "most famous" for is a POV if they are famous for more than one thing.  In my opinion, he is far for famous for his reputation as a poor-yet-egotistical rapper than as a husband to Spears.

Talent
5000 CDs first week. He is 1/2000 Plat. K-Fed is a wigger/poser. He has no talent. He sucks ass!!!!!!!!!! K-FED SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * HE'S A NO TALENT COCK SUCKER.

Ok, this is an encyclopedia. That means it should be used to provide information, not to bash someone. If your going to bash somebody, make a damn bashing site. Cobra wwe 04:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree. with the original poster

Britney Created Frankenstein
I think it is funny, Britney created this modern day FrankenPunk, and I hope he get millions of her dollars from her. All this from a chump ass tour dancer, WOW!

Removing references
I added the reference to K-Fed tickets being released for free at the NorVa. The fact that I added it was easily verifiable in the history. But since nobody contacted me to verify the information (which I could've done by giving a PDF of the front page of the publication as well as through the publication's MySpace page), it got removed. Over 300 people came to the show, only 40 paying and the rest from free tickets. Whatever the case may be, if something needs verification, it's considered courtesy to contact the person responsible for adding the information before removing it, as they may not be constantly watching the page. - Stick Fig 00:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I am the one responsible for removing your contribution. I left a source cite request ({fact}), but due to the lack of a response I deleted it. Before deletion, I performed a key-word search on Google regarding the Norva concert, and "Link". There were no results. Wikipedia requires reputable sources to back any assertions. Needless to say, this sometimes eliminates some otherwise good contributions from appearing in an article, as the body of information found on the Internet is by no means comprehensive for any given topic. Please accept my apologies, and I hope you understand that a photocopied pdf file from a MySpace page isn't good enough to meet the quality standards for Wikipedia.EdwardG


 * I can offer PDFs of articles in the paper regarding the show, whatever. But Link is a reputable publication either way, just lacking a major web presence at the moment. I sent info to Gawker and other blogs but it wasn't published. Oh well, no big deal. - Stick Fig 20:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Kevin Federline for Celebrity Big Brother UK?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,11049-2006540295,00.html

Sex Tape
The information regarding the sex tape has been removed repeatedly, once labeled as vandalism. I don't think it is. The existence of the tape has been called gossip and inuendo which it may be. But in my opinion it seems completely relevant to the article, (it fits within the image Federline has tried to promote). It was a major news story covered by major news outlets. The divorce itself has been front page news around the world. The tape may or may not exist but, according to a California judge, Britney's Spears' sex life has been put in the public eye. (unreliable source - do not use) www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21248327.shtml Britney Spears' Libel Lawsuit Dismissed Like it or not, this story cannot be dismissed as mere gossip or inuendo yet.--Cdogsimmons 03:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This is Wikipedia, not a tabloid. This is a repository of factual information. FYI: You can print almost anything in the USA, as long as it is not libelous. A lie published from an unreliable source does not qualify as factual information. If we were to publish the obvious falsehood, then the precedent is set for lurid citations from other dubious tabliods ("Aliens Impregnate Britney").EdwardG

Indeed, everything that was on the page (until you removed it for the second time EdwardG) was completely factual. Those allegation were reported by serious media outlets, not tabloids. I seriously question your objectivity and I'm bringing in mediation. This is turning into an edit war. The story is newsworthy despite your own personal views and people should be able to get an informed opinion about it from wikipedia. Unless you come up with a better reason, like the allegations are proved false or you can show me a specific wikipedia policy against it, I will continue to include the information that has been covered in the news in the article. --Cdogsimmons 03:20, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This article came out today:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/22/federline.spears.ap/index.html

Here's some the summation paragraph:

"'There is not a sex video of Kevin and Britney in existence. It goes without saying that the stories of Kevin attempting to sell such a video are patently false and anyone who reports that they have information of such attempts is either lying or reporting the lie of someone else,' he said."

So it looks like efforts to remove the "sex tape" stuff were ultimately in good judgement. I don't really care - if I had seen it shown on Wikipedia, I wouldn't have freaked out or anything. It has been widely reported, but I doubt by a whole lot of reputable sources outside of gossip columns for major media outlets. However, even if the gossip column is attached to, say, MSN or even CNN, it's still a gossip column and therefore not an appropriate source for biographical information.

Kudos to Wikipedia for not rising to the bait! NinaEliza 17:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Formatting
Could somebody with sufficient credentials improve the formatting in the Career > Musician section? Specifically, put all the various quotations into blockquotes. I would do it myself but I'm not able to.

Apologies if this isn't the right forum for this request.

Title match or non-title?
When he faces John Cena will it be for the title or not, the article doesn't state Gamehead 01:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)Gamehead


 * It shouldn't be a title match. It has never been stated that it was a title match and I doubt Cena will put in on the line. Especially that Umaga will fight Cena for the title 6 days later. --Soopafred 04:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Musician section was too long and was slanted
Before I shortened it, (which EdwardG keeps whining about) this section had 1 good review overall versus 7 bad over all. I strongly question the objectivity and fairness of anyone who thinks that 1/7 is NPOV. Anyone who writes in this way is violating Wikipedia's standards on NPOV. Even now it is 1/4, which is fair because Federline's reviews have been mostly negative. But we dont need to "pile it on" and then accuse others of not being objective! Michaelh2001 17:13, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * There's a clear difference between "slanted" and "statistical truth". The reviews from his album were overwhelmingly negative.  On Metacritic.com, his album scored a 15 out of 100 with critics, with signifies "Extreme dislike or disgust".  Putting the 1 positive review that he has against 4 negative reviews (out of a great multitude of negative ones) is implying that 20% of reviewers liked his album.     I appreciate that you're trying to show two sides of the story, but I think you're trying to skew the facts to show that far more critics liked his album.  75.46.150.79 22:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There were separate, thorough articles on PopoZao and Playing with Fire here on Wikipedia. Having the same verbatim text in the main Kevin Federline article was redundant. I shortened the main article and left links to the album articles. This makes the Federline article more concise but also leaves the single and album articles for those interested. Michaelh2001 00:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

GA stuff
At the moment, I'm failing this. It's still too current event-y and isn't very stable, which is a basic need for a good article. Come back when things settle down. --badlydrawnjeff talk 14:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Protected
I fully protected the article. Even with being semi'd, it's getting hit several times a day. Let's keep it full protected for 4-5 days and see if it helps. --Woohookitty(meow) 02:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

YOU KNOW YOU EDITORS ARE RUINING WIKIPEDIA I LOOK AT ARTICLES NOW AND HALF THE INFORMATION IS GONE BECAUSE SOMEBODY COMPLAINED OR SOMETHING LEAVE IT AS LONG AS IT'S TRUE... HE CAN HAVE A PUBLICIST ADD POSITIVE THINGS ALSO I MEAN WE AREN'T EVEN GETTING INFORMATION ANYMORE BECAUSE SOME ONE THINKS IT'S UNFAIR HIS ALBUM WAS UNIVERSALLY TRASHED BY MUSIC CRITICS THE WAY THE ARTICLES READS IT'S LIKE YEA SOME PEOPLE LIKE IT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WHEN IN REALITY IT'S LIKE 99% OF PEOPLE THINK ITS TRASH AND A FEW people LIKE IT I MEAN YOU GUYS NEED SOME COMPETITION OR SOMETHING LIKE FOX NEWS BECAUSE THIS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS IS FOGGING THE TRUTH IT'S GETTING RIDICULOUS SOMEONE READING THIS ARTICLE MAY ACTUALLY BELIEVE FED EX IS CAPABLE OF WINNING A GRAMMY WHAT ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO NEXT WRITE OSAMA BIN LADEN IS A NICE GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After the phrase, "He released his debut album, Playing with Fire, on October 31, 2006."
We should add, "it was not a commericial success". Given that it only shifted around 8,000 copies (possibly an all-time low for an album to debut in the Billboard 200), I don't think this will be particularly controversial. 24.238.170.154 18:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Nah, just click on the album name. There you will find all the negative information you crave. Michaelh2001 06:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I meant that in some cases the facts condemn people. When being a resource for reliable information, the last thing you should worry about is someone's feelings!Besides his album there are plenty other hijinx that can be illustrated; Especially how can I say this without getting in trouble?...to people who may want to know more about him because they may deal with him in the near future. Just by presenting the facts we can educate people and perhaps save someone from making a mistake. Knowledge is power!! 22 December 2006


 * Do you think Wikipedia is here to be a place to malign Kevin Federline? If so you are sadly mistaken. Furthermore, Federline has harmed noone. Even if his CD flopped, how is that harmful hijinx? If you want a concise, encyclopedic article, read Wikipedia. If you want negativity and slander, read the tabloids. (Which is where most people with a negative opinion of him get their opinion of Federline anyway) Michaelh2001 00:15, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Michaelh, I am interested in your reasoning for not wanting to post info regarding album sales. The posting of album sales info on artist's main page is normal on wikipedia.  On rapper Eminem's page it's clearly stated that his debut album sold over 1.5M copies.  If you think album sales info itself is NPOV perhaps you should provide your reasoning for thinking this way. 141.154.82.59 08:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Is this not already covered, ad nauseum, on the Playing with Fire page? Michaelh2001 15:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Federline wins...
Should someone edit the article to include the fact that K-Fed just beat Cena on RAW? Or would that be considered a spoiler? Pyroflame 02:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's definitely worth mentioning - it's not really a spoiler as the show goes out live. TheDingbat 02:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

«»bd(talk stalk) 02:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The next night, November 6, he challenged Cena to a match at the New Year's Day edition of RAW, which Cena accepted. When the match took place on January 1, 2007, it was first made no disqualification, then Federline took the win -- after much stalling and interference Umaga, whom Cena had been feuding with.


 * K-fed also tried a Masterlock Challenge on Cena which he easily broke out of, and Umaga and Nitro did some interference, and Cena eventually gave K-fed and FU at the end of the show, hopefully we never see K-fed in WWE again, he looks skinny and really is BAD RIPped

This guy doesn't deserve a Wikipedia page
Period. I don't know why we should waste our time on debating his page, only important/major people should deserve a Wikipedia article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.155.65.245 (talk) 03:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC).

has federline signed a contract with raw?

Federline has not signed a contract with Raw. --Crazy4metallica 08:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

"Future ex-wife"
In the "backup dancer" section of his Career section the author uses the phrase "future ex-wife". I had to read that three times before I understood it. Maybe I'm tired or something, but can anyone think of a better rephrase for that? I can't, but "future ex-wife" doesn't make sense to me some how.--Goyston (talk) (contribs) 07:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I changed it from "future ex-wife" to just "future wife." When you read about someone meeting his/her spouse (even if they later divorce) it's always future wife/husband, not future-ex. Roland Deschain 12:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

This talk page
What are the rules/precedents for deleting stuff from a talk page? I am tempted to delete, or at the very least archive, a lot of the stuff on this page, as people have been treating it as a message board for quite a while now. - Dmz5 *Edits**Talk* 00:52, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment comment
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