Talk:Kevin MacDonald (evolutionary psychologist)

"A New Protocols: Kevin MacDonald's Reconceptualization of Antisemitic Conspiracy Theory"
A JSTOR article.Antisemitism Studies Vol. 5, No. 1 (Spring 2021), pp. 4-43 (40 pages). If anyone wants it, just ask me. Doug Weller talk 16:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)


 * If there is a consensus among scholarly sources/reliable sources, that support the current lead"Kevin B. MacDonald (born January 24, 1944) is an American anti-semitic conspiracy theorist, white supremacist, and a retired professor of evolutionary psychology at California State University, Long Beach (CSULB).[1][2][3]"then it should stay the way it is, if not, then it should be changed. Right now I see the Russian as well as the German Wikipedia leads are very different from the lede here and I'd note that in general, the entry in the Russian Wikipedia has a much more objectine tone than the one here has, which you can easily check by using Google Translate.


 * Activist groups' like the SPLC and ADF opinions in the lede are clearly not sufficient. --Polska jest Najważniejsza (talk) 17:31, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Experts in antisemitism are the right groups to provide views on antisemitism. What the German or Russian Wikipedia articles say is absolutely irrelevant to what is in our article, and "much more objective tone" seems like a personal opinion. Additional sources could include:
 * Anti-semitism: A History and Psychoanalysis of Contemporary Hatred, Avner Falk, ABC-CLIO, 2008, pp 103-104
 * David Isador Lieberman "Evolutionary Psychology" in Antisemitism: A Historical Encyclopedia of Prejudice and Persecution, Volume 1 (Richard S. Levy, Dean Phillip Bell eds.), 2008, pp 215-216
 * Antisemitism: Exploring the Issue, Steven Leonard Jacobs, ABC-CLIO, 2020 p 113
 * "American Racist", David Samuels, Tablet Magazine, June 11, 2020
 * This appears to be the academic consensus. Jayjg (talk) 19:20, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * You might realise that there can be no such thing as an academic consensus on what is anti-semitic or racist, anymore than there is an academic consensus on what being a good person entails. It is quite literally unfalsifiable. Unless you think somehow you can falsify whether someone is racist or a moral person, I urge you to publish your data that is sure to send ripples throughout nearly every scientific field. 126.166.149.176 (talk) 04:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Well, if a random person on the internet says there can be no such thing, then that is how it is. Case closed, huh?
 * We follow the reliable sources. If you have reliable sources backing your claims, bring them. If not, there is no point in discussing. --Hob Gadling (talk) 06:23, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Please discuss here
IP is of course welcome to discuss their preferred edits here rather than edit warring. As should be clear from the fact that they've been reverted by three other editors (not to mention the discussions above which hinge on similar issues), consensus appears to be strongly against the changes they wish to make. While it's true that statements by the ADL and SPLC usually need to be attributed, in this case they are far from the only sources making the same claims. In cases such as this one, where there are abundant reliable sources stating the same thing, the reader is not served by equivocation. Generalrelative (talk) 23:34, 1 January 2022 (UTC)


 * The only thing of note for Kevin MacDonald is that he is an antisemitic conspiracy theorist. Without that, there would be no article about him. If you edit the article so as to avoid saying this, the article is not being truthful about him.
 * It is wrong to describe his work on the subject as scholarly, since he has no training or background in Jewish history or culture. He is writing well outside his field of expertise, and cannot claim to be a scholar in the area. Bob Gollum (talk) 19:00, 12 April 2024 (UTC)