Talk:Kevin Rose/Archives/2011

Early comments
Wow, this is painful to listen to. How about that Zed D TV?

His net worth is $2.1 Billion - I find that pretty hard to believe, can anyone back this up? Ben 20:13, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

"avid fan of Wikipedia because of its unfailing accuracy", sure about that? Accuracy is not one of Wikipedia's strongest points. Best host on G4


 * ... That's not saying much ;P --Sketchee 03:33, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)

He's not on G4 anymore.. :) --Nate3000 07:03, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

What Happend to the Systm page? --PhoneJack3000


 * 'Twas taken down and redirected here. Some folks claimed it was "not encyclopedic".  --taestell 03:28, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)

I miss the dark tips

I'm relatively certain Kevin dropped out of college, but the article says he graduated from UNLV. I remember a conversation on Attack of the Show between himself and cohost Kevin Pereira noting that the two hosts were college dropouts, while Sarah Lane and Brendan Moran (who both had degrees) were not hosts. --Aaron

thebroken
Why no mention of thebroken in his article? It was a fairly significant side project in building his following, and he referenced it on TechTV all the time. 74.12.141.224 22:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Jewish?
I seem to remember hearing, on an episode of Diggnation, Alex saying that Kevin has had a Bar Mitzvah. Does anyone know?--Rugabug 22:48, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

nope he is not jewish.

yep confirmed he is not jewish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mercury888 (talk • contribs) 06:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed from where? --173.74.55.158 (talk) 09:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Signature?
Can somebody tell me why the hell his signature needs to be on wikipedia?

I agree completely - how is this relavent to the article? I've been tempted to vote on taking it down, but haven't had time. Anyone object? Any reasons why it should be there? Defkkon 21:52, 11 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Alright, I removed it since no one objected. If someone can think of a good reason to bring it back, we can discuss it. Defkkon 23:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Thanks Defkkon --Hergio 23:53, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

Someone has readded his signature again since then, I have removed it from this article and nominated such an image for deletion. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 14:23, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Occasionally appeared on twit...?

kevins myspace
i remember on an episode of diggnation where kevin metioned a link to his personal myspace and so did alex, im to lazy to search through the archive of videos so dose anyone remember the link to it?

--Joe dude 00:31, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * It's here.
 * Adrian Lamo · (talk)  · (mail) · 04:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * thanks, im going to add it to the external links --Joe dude 23:27, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Article Content
The content of this article is going downhill. We need to make sure it stays encyclopedia and factual. I've removed the following sections:
 * Through his show he has also become known as a beer lover (a trademark is to open the show describing which beer they're currently drinking), a person :with only 4 toes on his right root (Diggnation Episode 21), and also likes the 2 or 3 women that like diggnation (Any Diggnation). It's also rumoured :that he had plans to call the show "KevinNation" but in the end decided it would be too egocentric.

I don't have a problem with the beer comments, since its true that they open the show with conversation about beer. However, I do have an issue with the rest. I've listened to every Diggnation since the beginning, and nowhere has he mentioned having four toes. There also aren't any references to support this. The comment regarding the girls is also pointless - are we gossiping like highschoolers? The "Kevin likes her" stuff shouldn't be in the article. Defkkon 13:35, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Could someone please correct the grammatical error in the first sentence? Change "that" to "who". It's an article about a person, not an inanimate object. Thanks. pestopasta

Links
Is it me, or is the list of external links for this page ridiculously long? I mean, do we really need a link for Kevin's "digging" history or his "moblog"? Even the Digg, Diggnation, and Revision3 links are redundant when they are linked up in the previous section. --Inaxdaze 15:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Structure of the article
I did some major changes in the structure of the article, since it was hard to follow subject-wise. Podcasting being a subsection of Internet is intentionnal. I agree with Inaxdaze concerning the lenght of external links, so I choped what I considered useless. Every podcast under the Revision3 banner should not be listed there IMO.

I also updated his picture. Laurent 14:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Graduated or Dropped Out?
I was reading the lastest issue of BusinessWeek (online here) with Kevin on the cover, and it says that he dropped out of the University of Las Vegas:

In 1999 he dropped out of the University of Las Vegas to join the action in Silicon Valley

In this wiki it says he graduated college from there. Does anyone know which one is correct? Ihatecrayons 07:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

-On his myspace (http://www.myspace.com/simplenation) he claims he is a college graduate Quark1005 (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Level L Security clearance
I'm new here, but is that supposed to mean anything? Or is it an elaborate vandalism attempt? Alamandrax 16:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


 * "The lower-level L clearance is sufficient for access to Secret Formerly Restricted Data and National Security Information, as well as Confidential Restricted Data, Formerly Restricted Data, and National Security Information." - Classified_information_in_the_United_States -  Minkus 04:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Ko tas nozime es nezinu man patik caci? WKilis

Net worth
"Net worth: Broke (contrary to popular belief)"
 * I don't think anyone will be buying Digg after this, so I guess his net worth won't be changing much. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 121.44.42.59 (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

That seems a little immature. Can we at least find a better word for broke or just mention that his only revenue is advertising (until he sells Digg… if he does so).

→Hey, I took out the "Spouse" and "Net Worth" fields from his little description, because they were unnecessary / inaccurate respectively.

Born in?
The article says LV Nevada but according to this interview from G4 it says he was born in California I am going to look into this further and see if I can get a more precise birth location. SirGrant 22:23, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He commonly mentions growing up in LV on Diggnation FyreFiend 06:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The article I cited says he was BORN in california then moves to LV at an early age. So you can be born somewhere but grow up somewhere else if you move. SirGrant 00:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

On comic book cover
Kevin's was just on the cover of Captain America: The Chosen #6, according to Digg and the artist himself. - ElbridgeGerry t c block 01:38, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Last.fm account
His account is no longer around, it needs to be removed from the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.238.118.41 (talk) 14:43, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Bunch of fixed for the page - can someone w/admin access contact me?
I have a few little tiny fixes, unfortunately I can't unlock the page, can someone contact me and I will relay the fixes? (if there is a better method, let me know)

kevinrose at gmail Subject: I saw your comment on Wikipedia

Thanks in advance!

New picture
User Adcurtin claims the she/he took the photo from [this site], which is claiming CC 2.5. However, I'm calling shenanigans. I beleive the blog "borrowed" the photo and then uploaded it with their blog site's standard template, which includes CC 2.5 at the bottom of all pages. --Brownings (talk) 23:54, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter either way, since noncommerical licenses are not free licenses, so the image is not allowed on Wikipedia or Commons as outside of fair use. I've asked a commons admin to delete the image. --Deskana (talk) 00:16, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Lived in Montreal?
I removed a sentence saying he lived in montreal, There were no sources cited, and in diggnation episode 162 kevin said he never lived outside of the US —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tippx (talk • contribs) 14:39, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Removed controversy section
I'm moving the controversy section that was recently deleted from the article here, in case anyone wants to add legit sources later. — Yavoh 20:59, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

On his popular social networking site Digg Kevin openly supports Barack Obama On this site he has a cult like following being the only user to have a 98% ratio of submitting diggs that make it to the front page. Digg's front page is also coincidentally propagated with stories benefiting Barack Obama and smearing John McCain although that is much like main stream media users feel that other candidates should also be given equal coverage. Kevin even goes as far as encouraging the hacking of Sarah Palins e-mail account. Many users that support other candidates feel that digg is bias toward Barack Obama and the influence of Kevin is preventing stories from other candidates from getting equal share of front page coverage. Further proving his influence on digg Kevin is mostly responsible for jump starting Ron Paul's movement based on his open support that propagated across the internet based the traffic generated from his site.

Isn't it possible that the user base of digg is simply more liberal than the public at large? This section seems to be purely speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.44.253 (talk) 04:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Personal information
I think some of the information under personal might be a bit to personal to be listed, don't you think? -- Scrdcow (talk) 21:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Gateway 386 SX in 1985?
The article says Kevin's father bought a Gateway 386 SX when Kevin was 8. If he was born in 1977, that would make it about 1985. That machine didn't appear on the market until 1988.Landroo (talk) 01:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The first computer he used was likely a different model (trs-80 probably), and his father probably bought Rose the 386 SX in 1988/9.  Makes sense to me, since computers were more expensive and the dad would have made sure that his child wouldn't break it.98.225.230.65 (talk) 16:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Olive Garden
I think the bit about Kevin having worked at Olive Garden should be moved to the Early Life section and sourced (He mentions this in DiggNation episode 125 http://revision3.com/diggnation/2007-11-22dagosn). Matthewmclain (talk) 10:27, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Career
I don't know why it's in that section, but the fact he dated Sarah Lane is. Perhaps include that he's currently with food blogger Darya Pino? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.206.105.168 (talk) 15:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

NPOV?
Hello all. I never heard of the subject of this article before I came here to rescue a fair use image that was about to be deleted. I discovered quite a lot of unexplained deletion of cited material along with the image removal. I reverted back to before those deletions took place. I was subsequently reverted with an edit summary saying that version wasn't NPOV. I fail to see any major pov issues with that version and I also fail to see how any article, much less a BLP is improved by removing TEN citations! In the interest of not losing the fair use image at least, I'm reverting back this once. Please explain what issues you think need to be addressed in the article. Thanks! --Ashanda (talk) 07:16, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * A majority of the citations are links to his personal podcast. Those types of citations are probably why this article has a disclaimer at the top.  The article is slanted and wordy.  I vote to cut the spam, start lean.  I seems to me that this article is being maintained by someone connected to Rose. 116.55.32.89 (talk) 13:52, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


 * So having an error message rather than any references at all and also having no images at all is supposed to be an improvement of some sort? To be quite frank, the editing of this article by several IPs has been downright ham-handed and damaged it. The way to restore balance to an article is to reword, rephrase, and add material - not to wholesale delete text and images! You say it's slanted, wordy, and spammy - I ask that you provide us with specific examples of what you're complaining about and we shall see how we should go about fixing it, okay? --Ashanda (talk) 14:43, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

There are quite a few citations that 1) link to his own podcast, 2) link to his own website, or 3) link to a bio page of a company that he used to work at (G4). This is not NPOV.  If I started my own Wiki page, then linked to my website as a reference, then stacked that reference it would be removed immediately.  Why is this article being protected?  Why is a BusinessWeek article part of his "career"?

Example 1 for NPOV: Why is this sentence in the article: "Rose stated that he was not told that his picture would definitely be on the cover, and had asked that they not use the two-thumbs-up pose" -- under Career? Is this pertinent, or damage control?

Example 2: "Dvorak also noted that BusinessWeek characterized Kevin as "Tom Cruise's doughier little brother" and compared Diggnation to Wayne's World". How does this relate to his career? Are we talking about Digg, or are we trying to protect Rose's fragile personality?

Example 3: "On November 14, 2007, he was a contestant on a game show at NewTeeVee Live[16] featuring other internet celebrities such as Veronica Belmont, Casey McKinnon, Cali Lewis, Justin Kan, Robert Scoble, and others." Why do we need to talk about "featured internet celebrities such as XXX, XXX, XXX, XXX, XXX?" Why not just say he appeared? As it is, it sounds like a bad press release.

Example 4: The Digg section says nothing about the the V4 fiasco, how referrer sites reported decreased traffic, and how many people abandoned the site for Reddit. Only talks about their funding. NPOV. 116.55.1.16 (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

BusinessWeek
The following section is NPOV and has no citations. It does not belong in Career.


 * On the August 6, 2006, edition of This Week in Tech, Rose stated that he was not told that his picture would definitely be on the cover, and had asked that they not use the two-thumbs-up pose. John C. Dvorak stated that the cover and the article were insulting because of the unprofessional way they portrayed Kevin. Dvorak also noted that BusinessWeek characterized Kevin as "Tom Cruise's doughier little brother" and compared Diggnation to Wayne's World. Kevin explained that Digg is still not a profitable website (at the time of the article), stating, "I still have to save up for a couch", though Rose hoped it would be in the near future once Digg established the right advertising partnerships. The "$60 million" stated by BusinessWeek was obtained by estimating the value of Digg.com and taking Kevin's 30-40% ownership.116.55.1.44 (talk) 17:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, this section:


 * Rose was featured on the cover of BusinessWeek for the August 14, 2006 issue. The story mainly covered his success as a young entrepreneur and explained how he risked it all to make Digg.com a reality. It also says he lost his girlfriend during the launch and that money meant for a house deposit payment was instead used to fund his idea.

does not discuss or explain anything about the $60,000,000 claim, or talk about how leading professionals in the tech industry (including 37signal's Jason Fried and former Salon editor Scott Rosenberg) said this number was completely fabricated with no factual basis or source. Because of this, AND, because an article does not belong in Careers, I've moved it here until the main article is reorganized. 116.55.1.44 (talk) 17:38, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:BLP
"All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged must be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2] Users who constantly or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing."

I've requested that the article be partial-protected due to the repeated vandalism and blp violations to this article. --Ronz (talk) 17:11, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * After a cursory review of your edit history, it is clear that you have some connection to Rose, as you consistently remove certain citations, references, and facts about Rose. It is okay to talk about Digg, Digg getting two rounds of VC funding, but it is not okay to note that during the time Rose was CEO of Digg, he managed to "alienate" (that was part of the cite you removed) his users, leading to 26-34% decline in visitors.  Reputable sites, like ReadWriteWeb used words like "plummeting" and provided cites, graphs, and technical specifications.  This was a major event, but you removed it.  It is okay to have an entire subsection on Pownce, but not okay to mention that less than 12 months after it went public, it was shut down?


 * With regards to the BLP, both of those paragraphs were cited. After review the BLP guidelines, I stand by my cites.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.114.154.57 (talk) 17:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for responding. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please focus on content rather than on other editors, and assume good faith of others.
 * I'm mostly concerned with the "Controversy" section. I'd be happy to see proper summaries of Rose's contributions to Digg. Anything else is probably outside the scope of this article. Same with Pownce. We just need to avoid WP:NPOV problems with what information we present, and WP:OR problems with any conclusions, summaries, or juxtapositions. --Ronz (talk) 17:45, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The website fits WP:ELOFFICIAL criteria, and belongs in both the infobox and at the top of the "External links" section. --Ronz (talk) 17:49, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've removed the protection request. If the vandalism and blp problems (the "Controversy" section) are behind us, then I don't think the article needs protection. --Ronz (talk) 18:10, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not believe I used original research, I cited Gawker Media and ReadWriteWeb -- they are not reliable sources?220.164.19.223 (talk) 05:05, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Because you're an ip that has made no other edits to Wikipedia, I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to. --Ronz (talk) 05:24, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Are Gawker and RWW good sources though? Do they really have editorial oversight?NCSS (talk) 21:05, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Any further thoughts? NCSS (talk) 20:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * For the most part, blogs are not considered reliable sources; however the reliable sources noticeboard will be able to give you a more definitive, situation-specific answer on the reliability of any given source. --Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 20:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip.NCSS (talk) 21:33, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Background
Should there be separate sub-sections for Digg, Pownce and Milk? I think one sentence for each is kind of weak for entire sections. Anyone else have thoughts? NCSS (talk) 21:25, 6 September 2011 (UTC)