Talk:Kevin and Kell

Wording
I'd like to change
 * 'The society in Kevin and Kell rather than identifying people by race or social class identifies by scent and having class distinctions such as "carnivores", "herbivores", "insectivores", and "nocturnal".'

to
 * 'The society in Kevin and Kell rather than identifying people by race or social class identifies by scent and having has class distinctions such as "carnivores", "herbivores", "insectivores", and "nocturnal".'

The scent for identification doesn't come up that often in the strip and I find it confusing to have it juxtaposed with class distinctions in the article. Any counter opinions? RJFJR (talk) 18:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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Merge/redirect List of Kevin and Kell characters
There currently exists a list of Kevin and Kell characters consisting entirely of original research and in-universe content. I don't see the purpose of it on Wikipedia per our various guidelines (ranging from WP:GNG, as I have seen no indication that the cast is notable on its own, to WP:PLOT, as Wikipedia should not describe fiction entirely from an in-universe perspective) I've attempted to boldly redirect, but this was countered. I'd like to ask anyone if they have any idea if anything can be salvaged from that list. It doesn't have any sources - not even to the comic itself - so I honestly don't see the point... pinging. ~ Mable ( chat ) 17:00, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * PS: I like how this article currently handles the characters of the webcomic. It describes all the important characters and how they relate to one another in prose. I think it should be an example to other webcomic articles, though I still dislike the amount of original research (primary sources) went into it. ~ Mable ( chat ) 17:12, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting this discussion, I think it is best to have a consensus as the article has recently been deprodded and recently edited. Primary sources are allowed for description purposes such as film plots, record track listings. Regarding the future of the article, I don't have a strong view so would support the consensus here, and if no one else comments after a month I would support the redirect. Atlantic306 (talk) 18:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I forgot I had initiated this discussion and nearly a year has passed. The list of characters has seen no improvement and is still entirely unsourced. I'll redo the redirecting and we'll see how it goes. ~ Mable ( chat ) 14:42, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

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Is Kevin and Kell a furry comic?
Hi KMWeiland, I thought we could move discussion of our recent edits to the talk page to better sort out the issues.

You've removed reference to Kevin and Kell being a 'furry' comic. I believe that one of your arguments is that the author of Kevin and Kell was not aware of the furry community when he first created the comic in 1995, therefore it cannot be a 'furry comic'. I also understand that you consider a piece of media must be solely intended for the furry community to be a furry work. Please do let me know if I've misunderstood you.

I don't agree with that line of reasoning. The citations that are in the article already lend strong support to the categorisation of 'furry' comic:
 * The author of Kevin & Kell regularly attends furry conventions to promote and celebrate this work;
 * Kevin and Kell has won an award from the Ursa Major Awards, a furry-only awards ceremony;
 * While there are very few secondary sources in the article (a problem in itself), there are cited sources in the article which call it a "furry comic".
 * Kevin and Kell is covered on a number of furry websites, such as Wikifur and Furry Nation.

Between the author acknowledging the furry nature of the comic through his regular events at furry conventions, and the furry community acknowledging its furry nature through discussions, articles, and awards, it seems pretty clear to me that this is a furry comic.

On the issue of sole intended audience, I also don't agree. Furry works do not have to be solely for furries to be a furry work.

Finally, while Holbrook may not have been aware of the furry community in the first few months of the comic, he has known about the community for the next 24 years of his comic. If your argument is valid, then it would only be valid for the first few months of strips - it wouldn't apply to the 24 years of strips that followed.

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts in a longer form than allowed in the edit explanation boxes. This article is an odd one - I don't think I've seen a "Good Article" with as many problems - so I'm keen to work together to make it accurate and useful.HenryCrun15 (talk) 23:23, 3 June 2020 (UTC)