Talk:Key (company)/Archive 1

Resource
I found this short history of Key that may be usefull in the future: http://bluemist.animeblogger.net/archives/key/ (  十    八  ) 21:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination
I have nominated this article for GA status. -- 十  八  03:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

GA Review
I'm reluctant to pass this whilst the lists are present. These don't appear to comply with the guidelines, and (I'd argue) go into excessive depth - the graphic novel lists (incomplete!) could surely be more appropriately incorporated into the novels' own pages?

Further, the whole article is very choppy, reading more like a list of facts and events than anything else. Almost the only bit that has any real content is the overly-long quote - which is itself very hard to follow! As such, I don't feel the prose is "clear", and there are also areas where the grammar could be improved - e.g. "key has their own..."

I think it needs a lot of work before it's up to GA standard, so I'm afraid I'm going to fail it.

Verisimilus  T  08:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Failed GA
There are no pictures, it is short, and there is very little corporate info Paco8191 00:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No pictures? What do you call the company logo? And what other images am I supposed to include anyway? And please define "corporate info"--  十  八  01:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Well i mean more pictures then just a logo, also the article must include more details such as corporate governance, key people,leadership, strategies, marketing, and development. there isn't really a product list at all either. Also, the entire article is very short, much too short to be a GA or even a B. Paco8191 04:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * These are awful reasons for failing a GAC. I don't think Paco8191 even read What is a good article? Images aren't a requirement (says so in the footnote), length is not a factor (the Good article system was created specifically for short articles), there's not a product list because everything is in the prose (and lists are discouraged) and a lot of the stuff he's saying is needed (strategies, marketing) sounds like stuff that only an insider would know. Besides, the afore mentioned guidelines state that the "comprehensiveness" of FAs is not needed, and I think this article certainly covers all of the basics. I seriously think this needs to be re-evaluated. Juhachi, unless you need to fix up the article a little more I suggest putting it back up on Good article nominations.--SeizureDog 05:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Per SeizureDog's suggestion, and after looking over the criteria again, and some articles on businesses that are already GAs, I've nominated it again for a third time.--  十  八  08:12, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * At the very least, I think the Impact section should be expanded. There's definitely more that can be said.  Leebo  T / C  14:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of what could be said about the impact their products made on the industry are already in their respective articles, so they don't belong here. As such, there's not much to say about the company themselves; it's really the products that speak for themselves in terms of Key's notability in the visual novel world. So you can't really go into the impact the company made without talking about Kanon, or Air, like is already given.


 * I suppose we might be able to find some information on influences, as I have read before that the style of One: Kagayaku Kisetsu e, and Kanon were used as templates for later games, like D.C. ~Da Capo~, or Wind: A Breath of Heart, among others, but then that was just original research, and so we can't really use it here.--  十  八  21:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

GA Review (2)

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

Looks like the third time may be the charm! Just a few comments though:
 * 1) Some statements require citations:
 * "Air was made to be similar to Kanon with a compelling storyline and in-depth characterization along with a well-received soundtrack." (History) &mdash; especially because this sounds POVish without a citation
 * 1) This sentence in the middle of "Main" confused me: "Further computer graphics have been provided in the past by Shinory and Mochisuke." It needs a little context. "Who are Shinory and Mochisuke?" would be a good start. (Or what? Is it a company, I have no idea).
 * 2) The "Former" section will date poorly. In 10 years, for example, "Torino is now working for Ram" will not encompass the meaning as it does, well, now. A few tweaks to contextualize this section (For example, "Since 200X, Torino has been affiliated with Ram") would be helpful.
 * 3) "Impact" needs to be expanded, if only because a Level 2 header (or even a paragraph) cannot consist of one sentence and a quote. An alternative option may be to merge it somewhere else, although I can't see it fitting anywhere else at the moment. Finding more sources for expansion would also help with the fact that this article is mainly supported with primary sources, not the ideal situation.
 * 4) References #1 is a forum and not a reliable source for a good article. You will need to find a different citation for that fact.

Overall though, a very well written article. To allow for these changes to be made, I am placing the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work thus far! Cheers, CP 23:28, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe I have taken care of all the points but the fourth one, particularly because I doubt there is much more I can find. If that means it fails, then I guess I'll have to find more some other day in the future.--  十  八  21:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It's just that no paragraph, anywhere, at any point, can consist of one sentence and a quotation. Certainly not under a Level 3 header either. If the only thing that can be said about it came from one blogger, I wonder if the company has had much of an "impact" at all. Certainly if, as you say, "Key has had a large impact on the visual novel industry," then there must be more written about it. In any case, it has to be expanded, merged or removed. Also, "Magome Togoshi had been with Key since Air, working as one of the signature composers, but left the company in October 2006." (Former) requires a citation. Cheers, CP 01:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No, Key really is very notable in the visual novel/eroge world; Key is the reason why games like D.C. ~Da Capo~ and Wind: A Breath of Heart are the way they are, just it's very hard to prove with what little resources I can scrounge. And as for Togoshi leaving, I probably won't be able to get a clear reference until they reveal their staff for their next game and Togoshi won't be listed there. After he left, there were rumors that Shinji Orito was also going to leave, but in an interview of Orito and Jun Maeda in the December 2007 issue of Dengeki G's Magazine it says that they would both be working on the next Key project.


 * But you're right; the article just needs more citations and an much improved impact section. I doubt I'll be able to do anything for either of those within the next five days or so, so you can fail it for now if you must.--  十  八  02:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I will fail without prejudice, so whenever you get around to actually doing these things, please renominate and let me know, and I will review it again so you don't have to wait another month once it is renominated. It's really well written, so I don't have a problem going over it again at a future date. Cheers, CP 15:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

GA Review (Parsing Error)

 * GA review (see here for criteria)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

A familiar review to end the evening. One comment:
 * 1) I do like the way that the article has been expanded, but some of the expansion needs to be expanded. This part, under "Comiket involvement," requires citations, as it sounds a bit ORish without them: "Generally, the products Key sells at Comiket are very rare and cannot be bought anywhere else, which causes them to become collector's items and can be resold at higher prices on online auctions. Typical products include: postcards, telephone cards, calendars, and posters. The products Key sells at Comiket are all related to the visual novels the company produces."
 * 2) References #1, #3 and #5 are broken. Cheers, CP 05:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Otherwise, it seems to have gotten nothing but better since I last reviewed it! To allow for these changes to be made, I am putting the article on hold for a period of up to... well I'm sure you're familiar with this by now. =P Cheers, CP 05:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * First point &mdash; I removed the portion about the online auction and rarity due to lack of source, but I sourced the fact that at three separate Comikets, Key released products of those listed, and those same products verify the next sentence since they all pertain to visual novels Key has produced. Second point &mdash; I removed reference 1 and replaced it with four other cites since the purpose the link had served isn't available anymore which brings me to my next point about reference #3, the entry from Key's official blog. Key's website just went through a revamp today and they wrote in their blog that portions of their website will be inaccessable until they can transfer the files from the old urls to the new ones, so for the time being the link to that blog entry will be dead, but it'll be restored eventually, though for the time being I suppose I'll remove it. As for reference #5, I have replaced it with an archived version. You can imagine my surprise when all of Key's old links went dead today and I had to restore the lot of them with the updated urls.--  十  八  07:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries, I completely understand. The major source for one of my GAs went down on the day of my GA Review, after I waited over a month for it! Anyhow, seeing as how everything looks good now, I will be passing the article as a Good Article. Congratulations, and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 18:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
Yay, made a userbox for Key! :D -- Highwind 888, the Fuko Master  02:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Angel Beats
Will be an anime per ANN and 2ch. I don't feel comfy editting a GA like this so would someone else? Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 04:42, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Moar related links:  Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 04:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Updated, and might I add, unexpected.--  十  八  06:15, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, its good news even if the character looks just like Haruhi. :D I can't wait to see it, everything Key does is so darn good. And I'll keep watching for more updates so we can improve this article/spin off one for Angel Beats! :D (Nice topic save Kyaa!) Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 22:22, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Former
I see the template Key at Japanese Wikipedia, which "Torino" is the former, do not know, right? And staff, "Din" is not mentioned in this article? Please add, Juhachi --113.170.153.87 (talk) 05:25, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Torino is on the staff of Rewrite, so as long as that game is unreleased, Torino should stay in the main staff section. I added a note about Din.--  十  八  06:15, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

company?
Key is a brand of Visual Art's, nor internal company. They also work another VA's product. .Is it popular way as "company" in hentai game articles? --Tondenh (talk) 04:37, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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