Talk:Khadr family

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For a March 2005 deletion debate over this page see Votes for deletion/Abdul Karim Khadr

Though I might have voted to keep the Abdul Karim Khadr page separate, I see the utility of having a page about a Khadrs generally. Since the vote was for merging, I've gone for it.

This article should contain most of the information about the Khadrs as a group, plus any specific information about those Khadrs who are not deemed notable enough to have their own page. I think that, without question, Ahmed Said Khadr and Abdurahman Khadr need their own pages. I think less of a case can be made for Omar and Abdullah, and even less for Abdul Karim, Zaynab, or Maha Elsamnah. --Saforrest 21:29, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)


 * I can't agree with you about Omar. He is the only Canadian in Guantanamo Bay!  He was subjected to torture!  (Or torture-lite if you prefer...)  Although the USA has a policy to take special measures to protect child soldiers they treated Omar in the harshest possible manner.  This is all noteworthy.  -- Geo Swan 01:57, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

is she married or not?
The daughter in part of the article is said to have had her wedding attended by Bin Laden and in another part to be a single mother.


 * Perhaps she's a widow? Especially since her husband was probably also in Al Qaeda, since the ceremony was held in the camp. --Saforrest 23:38, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

A serious allegation - any credible citations for that which is alleged?
About the statement:

"Some commentators have called for Kareem's mother to lose custody of her minor children, on the grounds that encouraging one's children to become suicide bombers is a form of child abuse."

Is such a statement suitable for an encyclopedic entry? Who are these "some commentators"? Are they the talk-show blowhards, whose pronouncements are often extrapolations of demonstrable reality?

I nominate that this sentence be deleted, or at least have the allegation ("encouraging [her] children to become suicide bombers") be cited to suitable source(s) - i.e. regarding the encouragement, not the identification of the commentators, etc.

--Wikifreeman 20:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Regarding attacking Maha Elsamnah and saying she should have her children taken away (all of whom are 16 or over now), think rationally, not emotionally.

If you read the Frontline interview, she clearly states she doesn't believe in suicide bombing. People like to sling all kinds of outrageous accusations, not only is it slander, it is legally liable!

Just because one errant son made a ton of money being dramatic and saying what the media would pay the most money for also doesn't make it true.

If she wasn't afraid to remark about the 9/11 attack and talk about Osama Bin Laden, why would she lie about this?

UmmTayyab 18:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

nationality
Someone changed the article to call the Khadrs an "Arab family" rather than a "Canadian family". The parents became Canadian citizens when they were young adults. Five of the six children were born in Canada. I think that makes them Canadian. Geo Swan (talk) 09:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we do not call the Kennedys a "White family with American citizenship", the Khadrs are a Canadian family, their race is unimportant. Sherurcij (Speaker for the Dead) 05:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The Controversy section seems NPOV to me: "A large number of Canadians complained that the Khadrs had "taken advantage of" Canada." I don't know how the writer of the article knows this - their certainly was never any scientific poll taken - only incendiary articles written in the SUN. Etc.. It is truer to say that most Canadians did not complain about the Khadrs. I have changed "A large number of Canadians" to "Some". But this Controversy section should include criticism of this sort of incendiary discourse also - as not everyone believes that in order to use the healthcare system one must have some correct political or religious belief - or have the right colour skin etc... ~—Preceding unsigned comment added by Canuckistani (talk • contribs) 14:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Questionable source "thefacesbehind.net"
This source was used in the article and i have substituted it with a {cn} tag because it does not meet basic requirements of WP:RS. It is not clear: Who is the author? Does the author and publisher have a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy? Who is the publisher? Who owns the website?... IQinn (talk) 02:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Should this article be split to deal with each brother separately?
In principle, I agree with the other contributors about the value of an article about the Khadrs as a family, but given the new charges against the youngest brother, Abdulkareem Ahmed Khadr(the one who is paralyzed and in a wheelchair), I'm now thinking that maybe it might be best to split this up into separate articles after all, if only because the charges against the three brothers are so completely different in nature. The oldest brother is being held on terrorism charges in Canada, Omar Khadr is being held in Guantanamo Bay for allegedly murdering a US Marine in Afghanistan, but according to Canadian police, the recently laid charges of rape and child molestation against the youngest brother have nothing to do with Al Qaeda at all, and as far as anyone can tell, the crimes he's charged with don't appear to have had any political motivation whatsoever. Therefore I'm voting to split this into multiple articles, dealing with each Khadr family member separately. Mardiste (talk) 22:17, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

suggesting change to first paragraph - admins, please give your opinion?
That first paragraph needs to be edited. It currently reads:

The Khadr family (أسرة خضر) is a Canadian family noted for their ties to Osama bin Laden and alleged connections to al Qaeda.[1][2] The family maintains that they have not broken any Canadian laws, and they have never been charged with any crimes by Canadian authorities.[3]

This was accurate up until last week, but now that Abdulkareem has been officially charged by Canadian authorities with sexual assault and child molestation, it needs to be changed. Can someone please rewrite this? Thanks Mardiste (talk) 22:34, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

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