Talk:Khanates of the Caucasus

Azerbaijan
Today most of the khanate make up the modern Republic of Azerbaijan. I putted this in the article Baku87 (talk) 10:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Qajar times and not Safavid times
The Khanates are from Qajar times and not Safavid times.In Safavid era they were called beglarbegies .--Alborz Fallah (talk) 11:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

hi
can someone writ abouts the khanates i have link http://azerbaijans.com/content_376_en.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.27.127 (talk) 18:08, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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Khanates to the south of Aras
I didn't quite understand your reasoning for removing all the khanates south of the Aras river. Are you implying that these khanates did not exist? Could you please elaborate further? — Golden  call me maybe? 12:25, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I guess this issue should be reminded 188.253.216.219 (talk) 19:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Persian khanates
Azerbaijan khanates, Persian khanates, iranian khanates. First of all, it is said in the sources that the khanates are of Turkic (Azeri) origin. but the phrase "Persian khanates" is confusing. they are not of Persian origin, so the term Persian khanates should be removed, what do the admins think about this? DifaiTal (talk) 19:20, 28 September 2022 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000

So let me rewrite it for those who don't understand what I mean. The word persian khanates can be confusing for the reader. First of all, the khanates were not of Persian origin, but were ruled by Iran's Azeri feudal lords. DifaiTal (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * Not at all, kindly don't alter sourced information / insert your own words, if that's what you're implying here. Please see WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:24, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, since when it was established by Persia? Would it be fair to say that Czech Bohemia was established by Austria? This is too much my friend. Any state is a result of subsequent historical events. Those khanates would not exist if there were no Seljuk conquest with the subsequent Mongol invasion. I suggest to rephrase this paragraph. OrkhanScience (talk) 19:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In Wikipedia we follow what WP:RS says, not our own personal opinion. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your notice, I am supporting that. But as you may know, we can manipulate historical articles by dumping here all biased books. We all well know that certain academics do have their agenda or simply just don't bother with details. I kindly ask you to answer my statement not refer me to policies.
 * Bluntly naming khanates "Persian" is very bold statement to make. Just some academic has such opinion doesn't make your revision of this page valid. Lets do our work in Good Faith. As I already said, that would be the same thing if name Bohemia -- Austrian Kingdom, or Scotland - English Kingdom. OrkhanScience (talk) 21:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The reason I am not answering your comparison is because its pointless, as per my previous comment. If you think any of these scholars are “biased” and that it’s a problem, you need to present evidence that demonstrates so. Perhaps take it to WP:RSN. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

First of all, I was just stating my opinion. I didn't make any changes. DifaiTal (talk) 19:27, 28 September 2022 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000

Azerbaijani khanate
Except that the khanates are ethnically Azeri, most of the sources mention Azerbaijani khanates.So why is the title written as the khanates of the Caucasus?.I know that even now there are discussions about the political geography of azerbaijan. However, during the Safavid era, these khanates were called ( In Safavi times, the name "Azerbaijan" was applied to all the Muslim-ruled khanates of the eastern Caucasus, alongside the area south of the Aras River.) Azerbaijani khanates.This term was also used during the Russian Empire period.Is there any large source about the khanates of the caucasian? Spasticgamer (talk) 04:29, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000


 * @brandmaster@Golden@HistoryofIran Spasticgamer (talk) 05:04, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000


 * @Brandmeister Spasticgamer (talk) 05:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * Except that the khanates are ethnically Azeri
 * They were not.


 * most of the sources mention Azerbaijani khanates.
 * They do not.
 * However, during the Safavid era, these khanates were called ( In Safavi times, the name "Azerbaijan" was applied to all the Muslim-ruled khanates of the eastern Caucasus, alongside the area south of the Aras River.) Azerbaijani khanates.This term was also used during the Russian Empire period.
 * You read that from Azerbaijan (toponym). You might also want to read the rest of its info, including that the Azeris first emerged as an ethnic group after 1918, and that Azerbaijan was the historical name of the area in northwestern Iran. Also, have you edited in Wikipedia before? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:06, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Isn't it ethnic? If the ethnicity is not Azeri, why does the article say that the khanates are of Azerbaijani origin?.  moreover, there are many sources that even in the sources of the article, the term azerbaijan khanates is more than the caucasian khanates. Spasticgamer (talk) 11:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * Huttenbach, Henry R. (1990), Soviet Nationality Policies, Mansell, p. 222, The pattern of the Russian conquest varied: in some cases, notably in the Azerbaijani khanate of Ganja, the emirate of Bukhara, the khanate of Kokand and Turkmenistan, violence and bloodshed were involved.Nahaylo, Bohdan; Swoboda, Victor (1990), Soviet Disunion. A History of the Nationalities Problem in the USSR, Simon and Schuster, p. 12, Its inhabitants being Shiite, the Azerbaijani khanate was more closely linked with Persia than with their Turkish kin. Peter the Great defeated Persia and annexed the Derbent and Baku regions of Azerbaijan in 1724. Spasticgamer (talk) 12:01, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * Swietochowski, Tadeusz (2004), "Azerbaijani khanates and the conquest by Russia", Russian Azerbaijan, 1905-1920: The Shaping of National Identity in a Muslim Community, Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0521522455, Spasticgamer (talk) 12:00, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * Even in this article itself, 65% mentions the Azerbaijani khanates, but there is only one source that I can not support the Caucasian khanates. Spasticgamer (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * Cherrypicking sources from this article is not really helping. And even if thats 65%, thats thanks to the cherrypicking of overenthusiastic users - two can play that game if need be. Also, you did not answer my question: Have you edited in Wikipedia before? HistoryofIran (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * You really don't answer any of my questions logically. as if you want je, it should be like that in wikipedia.  I won't argue with you because it doesn't make any sense.  As for your question, no, I haven't been on wikipedia before. Spasticgamer (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * You really don't answer any of my questions logically. as if whatever you want should be in wikipedia.  I won't argue with you because it doesn't make any sense.  As for your question, no, I haven't been on wikipedia before. Spasticgamer (talk) 12:11, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * Or perhaps I give you answers you just don’t like. And thanks for your answer, that’s all I needed. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * It's not an answer I don't like. You just don't answer logically, that's all.  You see wikipedia only from your own perspective and do not respect any other opinion.  have a nice day. Spasticgamer (talk) 12:15, 22 July 2023 (UTC) <--- blocked sock of User:Aydın memmedov2000
 * You seem to “know” a lot about me despite being new to Wikipedia. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:17, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Khanate
Khanates were and are called khanlug ir khanlıg in both Iran and Azerbaijan. Please check this. And also referring Armenian sources instead of Persian, Russian, Azerbaijani sources is funny actually. 188.253.216.219 (talk) 19:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)


 * 1) No source for your claims, and also contradicted by the WP:RS in the article. Unless you're referring to the historical region in northern Iran, Azerbaijan did not exist back then
 * 2) Azerbaijani "sources" are not WP:RS because they engage in historical falsification/negationism   HistoryofIran (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)