Talk:Khara-Khoto

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it seems the derived water helped the Gobi desert in its growing... any idea of the GPS position ? --bloublou 18:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Khara Khoto is situated at 41°45'52" North, 101°08'38" East. This is based on Google Earth imagery. I haven't been there (yet) with or without a GPS. The river now flows more than 13 km from the ruins.

In modern Mongolian, the town's name would be Harhöt or Kharkhöt (transliterated from Cyrillic). In older Mongolian, it would be Qaraqota (transliterated from the vertical script, using the system in Omniglot or Linguamongolia). I welcome corrections or further information from someone fluent and/or literate in Mongolian.

Khara Khoto featured in an episode (The Dark Castle) of the Sino-Japanese TV series "The Silk Road" made in the mid 1980s. FitzHugh 19:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Khot (mong.: town) is written with o, not with ö. The second part of the text sais the Ming destroyed the city, so I changed the introduction accordingly. 85.179.30.25 20:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Khar baatar
I used to think he was only a legendary figure. Are there any real accounts of the events surrounding the destruction of the city? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yaan (talk • contribs) 13:07, 15 May 2007 (UTC).


 * In the last paragraph, is the year accurate. It might be more logical if it were 1372. After the fall of the Yuan Dynasty, the Mongols considered making Qara Qota capital of Northern Yuan and reconquering China from there.
 * Who is "king" Khar Bator? Maybe one of the military generals. Gantuya eng (talk) 13:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have added to the article what I clarified and changed the year to 1372 and "king" to "military general".
 * Does anyone know whether the "Black river" (Hei River) and Ezene river are the same river or different rivers? If deffierent rivers, it will need to be clarify which of the versions is right. Gantuya eng (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Kozlov writes that Khar Khot is a bit to the east of the easternmost arm of Ejin river. He calls the easternmost arm "Munungin gol" (in the German translation of 1955), but I think Ejin gol is precise enough for our purposes, especially given the probable medieval name of the city. Unless of course we find out what the name of that exact river arm in 1372 was. Yaan (talk) 16:10, 22 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've finally created an Ejin River article. AFAIK the Heihe and the {Ejin,Etsin,Edzin}-gol are the same, although it appears that the Chinese name is more often used for the Chinese-populated southern reaches and the Mongolian names is used for the Mongolian northern bits -- which makes sense. Jpatokal (talk) 08:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Wall dimensions
The Webster article cited states the walls are up to 450 yards on a side, not 45. Also, it says the walls are up to 12 feet thick, not 2. Changes made accordingly. Martian bob (talk) 17:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

References inlined
References, what little we have, are now inline and all of them are checked, except Kozlov (1923), which is mentioned in texts like here, but I don't have access to the book itself&mdash;original language being Russian, of course. --Rayshade (talk) 00:46, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a German translation of Kozlov's book, if that helps. Yaan (talk) 10:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * An original version is available at the University of Iowa Main Library. I've had access to it in the past, but have moved away. I have scanned images, I ought to post them...Martian bob (talk) 19:45, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Alternative names
This town also seems to be called Heishuicheng? This is how it's shown on Google Earth. It's quite hard to find this article as the names aren't linked. --Timjack (talk) 10:48, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Possibly.
 * P.S. it seems both Heicheng and Heishuicheng are used. Yaan (talk) 10:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

It may be Kokoton, Kokotan, Coucouhoton (in Chineese Tartary - on different maps 18 century ). Deniscode (talk) 06:41, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

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