Talk:Kherson

Geology
Close to Kherson is an area that looks very strange from satellite: (46.60056°N, 33.03972°W). It looks like a mining area.


 * I couldn't find that map there. Please, give a direct link. Sashazlv 01:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


 * New to wikipedia, didnt know about the 'discussion' tab. Ok, here it is http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=46.600556,33.039722&spn=0.3,0.3&t=k. If you zoom out a bit, you can really see that it looks strange.

This is not a mining area, but an area with sand dunes, which are partly covered by forests which have been planted since the 1950ies.

Skluesener

Founder
Contradicts with the Gannibal article, which says Kherson was founded by one of his sons.

Twin Cities
The previous list from 04:16 1 September 2010‎ by 68.97.46.189 was pure fantasy. None of the cities mentioned have listed Kherson among their twin cities on the respective main entries. Also, I have searched the archive for Oslo municipality and can find no mention of Kherson ever having been a twin city (they abolished twin cities some years ago, then having only agreements with Madison, WI, USA). They currently have cooperation agreements with some cities and regions, but not Kherson. --Geira (talk) 14:58, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit request
Please link to the disambiguation page Kherson (disambiguation)

Please add the hatnote

-- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 03:47, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  09:49, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

No "Control", not "Controlled by"
Territory being occupied during an ongoing military aggression on a country is NOT the same as "Control". Stop putting it into the infobox of this or any other city. It is also a misuse of "Smaller parts" group of parameters in "Infobox settlement" template. Flipping Switches (talk) 18:31, 10 March 2022 (UTC)


 * The template does not have a field "Control" nor "Occupied by". Please do not misuse inappropriate fields. Oleksandr Master (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Why don't you add the fields in that case? It can't be too hard. 46.132.47.156 (talk) 18:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Russian name...
I'm not sure when the Russian name/pronunciation was removed, by whom, or why, but the majority of the population there speaks Russian as their main language, so even if it weren't for the fact that it's now under Russian control, it'd still make sense to include that. The only reason I can think of for why it was removed (I found it in the history) is for political/nationalistic reasons, but this doesn't fit with NPOV. -2003:CA:874F:BB68:55F0:1353:3A3F:73E7 (talk) 20:52, 19 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Oops, you did a badspeak. Your IP is now marked as "russian bot" status. 2A00:23C4:4EE0:A201:15E9:7F09:B7E0:8F1E (talk) 20:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Restored. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.242.127 (talk) 15:01, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

"Russian occupation" section
This section does not make sense. For one can not occupy a city that one founded to begin with.

Agreed, plus the Kiev government has no control over the area and the area has petitioned to join the Russian Federation. It's a Russian city occupied by the Ukraine. Article needs major restructuring, perhaps after Kherson eventually joins Russia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.126.118.233 (talk) 21:58, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
 * If the Ukraine government has no control over the area, the area is not "occupied by the Ukraine". And only the collaborators have petitioned to join the Russian Federation. 82.132.186.65 (talk) 17:51, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
 * This comment does not make sense. The city is located within internationally recognized borders of Ukraine, who founded is irrelevant. Mellk (talk) 23:54, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

At the end of the Russian occupation section, it is stated that "No other country recognized the annexation". This should be changed to "As of 5 October 2022, North Korea is the only UN member to have explicitly backed annexation" (The following link can be used as the source: https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/nkorea-backs-russias-proclaimed-annexations-criticises-us-double-standards-2022-10-03/). — Preceding unsigned comment added by El819 (talk • contribs) 14:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Occupied doesn't represent the actual situation.
Earlier today Kherson along with other fromer regions of Ukraine joined the Russian Federation. It is now an annexed territory, a part of the Russian Federation just like Moscow, Sevastopol or Vladivostok. Maybe we can add to separate infoboxes about Ukraine and Russia. Bilikon (talk) 15:38, 30 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Of course not. Just because someone claims to have annexed something, it doesn't change the situation. The so-called annexation by the fascist regime in Moscow lacks any legal standing, as the entire world has made clear (including the UN). Pretending otherwise would violate what virtually every reliable source says about the matter. Jeppiz (talk) 17:36, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 October 2022
Kheron is stated as being russian.

This is a joke. The site is protected from trolls etc? Still - the stated country is 'rusia'?! Based on international legislation, the UN declaration and majority of the world, this is NOT russian. Thereafter hiding behind a 'semi-edit protection' seems to be related to this disinformation. Suggesting kherson is Russia on Wikipedia is a) factually not correct b) taking a political side c) disinformation.

This should be adjusted and the article should be managed by people without an agenda. 2A02:A420:60:BB5:DA2F:2108:D6A7:2A9C (talk) 19:16, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Don't see where it is "stated as being russian". Cannolis (talk) 22:28, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Add Russia as de facto controller.
It's true that the Kremlin considers Kherson an integrated part of the Russian Federation. Of course it's illegal, but keeping it as just Ukraine is false, as it is now a disputed territory. Dokateoo (talk) 18:53, 4 October 2022 (UTC)


 * This is true, as bitter as it is. Josias-Zygmont (talk) 03:27, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Etymology
Change "As first new settlement" to "As the first new settlement" Optymystic (talk) 21:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

✅ Mikelr (talk) 03:32, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Spelling
Please correct spelling:
 * newly formed faction "Support to the programs of the President of Ukraine"
 * newly formed fraction "Support to the programs of the President of Ukraine"

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 October 2022
I ask to be allowed to edit the page 86.18.130.241 (talk) 13:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Won't happen. You need to create an account and edit for a while. -- Mvqr (talk) 15:15, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 November 2022
Please write that Ukraine confirmed the liberation of Kherson from the Russian occupiers. source, archive link. Thanks in advance, - 🇺🇦 Слава🇺🇦Україні 🇺🇦 Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦 (talk)🇺🇦 14:06, 11 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Slava Ukraini! Long live the victory! Long live the heroes! Euglenos sandara (talk) 15:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Херсон - це Україна! - 🇺🇦 Слава🇺🇦Україні 🇺🇦 Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦 (talk)🇺🇦 16:14, 11 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:24, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * To change to just Ukraine that the region is libirated and it is on Ukraine control. 77.29.230.37 (talk) 06:00, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kherson#cite_note-65 77.29.230.37 (talk) 06:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)


 * After I posted this, someone else has added “and Ukrainian forces subsequently entered the city on 11 November 2022”. At the time, the sentence still wasn’t in the article. - 🇺🇦 Слава🇺🇦Україні 🇺🇦 Героям🇺🇦Слава🇺🇦 (talk)🇺🇦 09:16, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

City Raion romanisation errors
The timing of this might be a little unfortunate considering the very recent page protection (slava Ukrajini!), but the city raion names are romanised wrongly.

Суворівський район, Корабельний район, and Дніпровський район, are all romanised inconsistently in the article, as Suvorovski raion, Korabelny Raion, and Dniprovski raion, as of the latest revision. The correct romanisations, as per the Ukrainian National transliteration, would be have their suffixes be -skyy or -nyy, and not -ski or -ny.

The correct transliterated names would therefore be Suvorovskyy raion, Korabelnyy raion, and Dniprovskyy raion, respectively. In English, there's also tradition to translate names for Ukrainian administrative divisions directly, (Kyiv region or oblast instead of Kyivska oblast, for example,) so Suvorov raion, Korabel raion, and Dnipro raion might also be appropriate. German Wikipedia uses this approach for their raion articles. SAINT LUM (talk) 00:50, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Lemonaka (talk) 19:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Still in Russian federation
Still in Russian federation 2603:6010:8605:CF00:ACB2:44CA:62A5:302C (talk) 01:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Good joke. Mellk (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Never again! --Andhanq (talk) 15:49, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 November 2022
Change “subsequently entered the city on 11th November.” to “subsequently started entering the city on 11th November.” 2A02:C7C:A489:4100:8D67:8331:FEC6:F1C4 (talk) 13:46, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Sirdog (talk) 05:56, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

"Ordered to leave"
I can envision there being some semantic disputes here but right now it says "Russian forces were ordered to withdraw from the city" in lede. But isn't it perhaps more accurate to note somehow that the Russian withdrawal was forced by Ukrainian offensive operations? Something along the lines of: "Russian forces officially started retreating from the city on 9 November ..."? As it is now, it gives a possibility of reading it as another so-called "good will gesture" (lol!), in other words that the withdrawal somehow wasn't directly connected with Ukrainian military success, pressure and advance - which it obviously was. Using a word like "retreat" in there would help carry all those connotations. Euor (talk) 09:46, 21 November 2022 (UTC)


 * This can probably be phrased as "due to [Ukrainian military operations targeting Russian logistics], Russian forces were ordered to leave", or something like that. I do prefer the term "retreat", but if that's somehow not possible or appropriate, elaborating the "ordered to leave" -part with an antecedent would pprobably suffice. SAINT LUM (talk) 23:55, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Lead section
I want to expand the lead section. Can I do that? -- Phaisit16207 (talk) 17:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

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Etymology

 * Add this text to the etymology section: The town is also referred to as Sari Kermen (Sarı Kermen; Сары-Кермен) in Crimean Tatar. The name appeared at the end of the 15th century after the Ottoman Empire took possession of the Crimea.
 * Reason for the change: Historical name that should be mentioned.
 * References supporting change: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.134.59.159 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting question.svg Question: If I'm seeing correctly, this is an entry in a dictionary or similar repository(?). That might be okay, but it would be better if you had a more reliable source for this.


 * Also, this template is intended for users that have a conflict of interest. If you do not, you can use Template:Edit extended-protected to request edits that you cannot implement due to page protection. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages. Happy editing! Actualcpscm (talk) 17:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Proposed new article for "2022 Russian Occupation" section
I think this section should be made into a new article, then a summary could be put here for the long term context. The 3 linked articles could also be linked in the new article. What should the name be? I think something with 2022-2023, also reflecting the context in the wider conflict. Something that could include the back and forth: Russian occupation, return to Ukrainian control, and the flooding. Lena Key (talk) 11:12, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * @Lena Key I've created a discussion about a somewhat similar proposal at Talk:Russian_invasion of Ukraine, if you're interested. HappyWith (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 August 2023
History - Can someone mention that the Dnipro River delta area was inhabited by a group of hunter-gatherers which was genetically isolated from the rest of Europe's population. See https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/08/230809130654.htm (New research links early Europeans' cultural and genetic development over several thousand years) Thanks 2A00:23C2:8B08:E501:C501:381B:F5F5:8D28 (talk) 06:13, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Current status of Kherson (as of October 27, 2023)
This article states that Kherson was flooded in June 2023 and subsequently evacuated. Has anyone returned to the city? Or is it still flooded? The article should include this information in the first few paragraphs.

rdl381 (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Split History
I'd like to improve Finnish version of this article, but I can't speak Ukrainian so I have translate from English. City of this size warrants a main article on its history, espicially if new content is added. Splitting other sections like Transport and Geography would be helpful as well. Arla (talk) 18:34, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * History is an integral part of any page on a place of human settlement. Removing it to a separate page (where it is less likely to be encountered) would still require leaving a substantial summary behind. Length of the page is not a problem. With clearly marked sections, readers can skip whatever subjects are not of interest. ManfredHugh (talk) 13:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * The page body has less than 4,000 words, less than 3,300 if we don’t count the lists of links at the end. According to WP:SIZESPLIT this is in the category of “< 6,000 words — < 40 kB — Length alone does not justify division or trimming.” —Michael Z. 17:11, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Some of the detailed chronological material on the Russian occupation has been removed to the article on the Russian Occupation of Kherson Oblast.ManfredHugh (talk)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 March 2024
Adding the german city of Kiel as a partner city, this relationship has been established in early 2024. Source: https://www.kiel.de/de/kiel_zukunft/kiel_international/cherson.php Kiel's City website 147.161.165.31 (talk) 06:37, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Rsk6400 (talk) 07:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)