Talk:Kick Six

Just passing through and noticed...
Would the passage in the opening sentence, "one of the most incredible college football games in NCAA history" qualify as peacock language?

Merely an observation... – Red Sox Fan274  (talk ~contribs)  09:05, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

With a scrimmage from the Auburn 38 yard line, shouldn't the kick have come from the 45 (given the typical seven-yards-back setup), and hence been a 55-yarder rather than 57? Did the holder set up still deeper for some reason? Or was the ball actually spotted at the 40 after the review? WHPratt (talk) 19:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Still no clarification on this apparent anomaly! WHPratt (talk) 13:53, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * And still ...WHPratt (talk) 04:06, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

38 yard line or 40 yard line, what difference does it make? Well, if the kick went nine yards deep into the end zone, it was just a yard short of being non-returnable, which would be pretty important here. If the holder for the kick really set up two yards farther back than the normal 17 yards, those two yards might have made the difference. Even if two extra yards would still not have made the kick successful, they would at least have prevented a return when the ball went over the end line.

As we're always expressing the yard line as an integer, it’s a given that there’s a potential error of as much as half a yard in any such expression. I would expect the holder to pick a good spot on the grass, even at the sacrifice of some inches of closeness to the goalpost. So, we could accept a yard plus or minus in measuring the kick … but two yards is a tough sell. With some internet browsing, I found at least three rehashes that say the runner went out of bounds at the 39 yard line. A snap from the 39 and the placement at the 57 is reasonable. There ought to be an official play-by-play somewhere. However, unless there’s a good source for the 38, I’d suggest that 39 is more likely true. Changing the 38 to 39 would avoid so red a flag to the reader as I perceived back in 2014.

https://flywareagle.com/2013/12/02/2013-iron-bowl-auburn-alabama-kick-bama-kickkick-six-game-made-sense Quoting the announcer: "... the ball’s at the 39-yard line."

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/lupica-auburn-alabama-talked-article-1.1533789 ...until he got to the Auburn 39-yard line.

https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/story/sports/college/football/2018/11/22/iron-bowl-auburn-alabama-kick-six-chris-davis-rod-bramblett-eli-gold/2070946002/ ... he was shoved out of bounds at the Auburn 39.

Splitting hairs is what we do, but I’m going to cut it out as of now. Thank you for your patience. WHPratt (talk) 16:58, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Dravecky (talk) 06:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Kick Bama Kick (2013 Iron Bowl game) → Kick Bama Kick – There is no need for disambiguation because no other article on Wikipedia is named "Kick Bama Kick" Jrcla2 (talk) 14:22, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I was just going to submit this request myself. — X96lee15 (talk) 14:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. Also I'm going to remove the "unencyclopedic language" tag as it looks like the peacock language has been cleaned up.  Volunteer Marek   18:44, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think there's still some peacock language, "Unbelievably", "miraculous", "quickly seized", etc. I think it needs to be read through once more. — X96lee15 (talk) 18:47, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. - Dravecky (talk) 06:05, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
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Any free photos out there of the field after the game with all the fans on it?  Volunteer Marek  00:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Name
Isn't "Kick Six" the more common nickname? That's the only thing I've heard it called in the state of Alabama — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.160.155.27 (talk) 03:52, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Like the Challenger Explosion, 9/11, and the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, I remember exactly where I was when I saw the end of the 2013 Iron Bowl. However, I never heard it called the "Kick Six" until I ran across this page. I understand that this name may be meaningful in Alabama, but there are plenty of Auburn (I suppose Alabama too, but why would I deign to recognize them?) fans who have never set foot in Alabama. I think that Kick Six (2013 Iron Bowl) would be the best name for this article and should satisfy everyone. 108.38.35.162 (talk) 06:52, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: already moved. Dekimasu よ! 07:39, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Kick Bama Kick → Kick Six – "Kick Six" is a far more common name for this game. "Kick Six" has about 66,000 results on Google compared to 6,400 for "Kick Bama Kick". With the Iron Bowl today there's been significant coverage of this game almost all of it refers to the game as "Kick Six" (do a Google search for both terms and filter the results for the last week). Anecdotally, I've never heard the phrase "Kick Bama Kick" used in national media coverage. Mackensen (talk) 17:04, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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 * Support, given that most of the people on TV today have referred to it as such. Although, I would also prefer 2013 Iron Bowl as an alternative option. ViperSnake151   Talk  04:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


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No consensus to move at this time. bd2412  T 15:31, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Kick Six → 2013 Iron Bowl game – The term "kick six" has now come to refer to any missed or blocked FG returned for a touchdown (and sometimes even kickoff and punt returns), not just this specific one. The page should be moved to make room for (probably) a redirect to Field goal. Powers T 16:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Biblio worm  21:15, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose If "Kick Six" is indeed the WP:COMMONNAME for this event and there are other uses of the term "kick six" on Wikipedia, then this article should be renamed Kick Six (2013 Iron bowl). Until that happens, I think the article title should remain the same. Also note that there already is a redirect named 2013 Iron Bowl to this game. — X96lee15 (talk) 17:41, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Question User:LtPowers can you give some examples of usage 2014-2015 that prove your point? Thanks In ictu oculi (talk) 11:08, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes indeedy.
 * "Watch Will Hill Beat the Browns With Insane 'Kick Six' TD", 1 Dec 2015
 * "A 'kick-six' kicked Florida State out of College Football Playoff contention and was the center of the sports universe.", 1 Dec 2015
 * "With :03 on the clock, the ball on the 40, and a Pitt returner standing in the end zone waiting to dial up a kick-six, Koehn smashed the ball 57-yards for a 3 point win over the Panthers.", 30 Nov 2015
 * "Texas State returns missed FG for 100-yard Kick Six vs. South Alabama", 24 Oct 2015
 * -- Powers T 15:26, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support User:LtPowers yes that's convincing. In ictu oculi (talk)


 * Support Being that a "kick six" can refer to any field goal/punt/kickoff returned for a touchdown, it's usually in reference to a returned field goal. That being said I would support moving this article to either Kick Six (2013 Iron Bowl) or 2013 Iron Bowl. —  dain  omite   18:06, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose This is the original event, and all of the others are basically copycats that are more or less just referencing this one. If the phrase "Kick Six" should ever end up entering the lexicon and becoming as ubiquitous as, say, "Pick Six," we can revisit that discussion at a later date, as right now is simply too soon to make that determination. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * None of the recent examples I listed above explicitly reference this event. If this was a new or unusual usage, you would expect them to do so, so that readers understand the reference. Powers T 03:21, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment without a primarytopic article to take its place, wouldn't this move introduce more confusion for the casual reader? Instead, perhaps a section of this article should be related to "other uses" and when that becomes big enough to merge out into a primary topic article, it can then be revisited. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:13, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Just as coincidence would have it, my wife was just watching a game and she referred to this occurrence as Kick Six not that it is a reliable source by any means. However, it would seem to support the commonname perspective. Although even with that said, I still think we actually need an actual page (Versus redirect) at Kick Six. So my comment above still stands. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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Game summary notes
Pinging @Newtothisedit, here are my notes for the game summary section - these will cover general fixes and football-specific stuff:

First quarter
 * "On the game’s first play from scrimmage Alabama" -- add comma after "scrimmage"
 * "Alabama would then drive to the Auburn 26-yard line" -- change "would then drive" to "then drove"
 * "narrowly missed wide left" -- while there's technically nothing incorrect about this, it may come off as confusing to non-football fans; "narrowly" and "wide" seem to contradict each other. Even though I know what you mean, and "wide left" is a common football term, I would consider changing this to "narrowly missed to the left" or something similar to that.
 * "dropping a difficult deep pass" -- remove "difficult", could be construed as OR
 * "On the ensuing drive" is repeated in two sentences back-to-back near the end of the paragraph; I would consider swapping one of them

Second quarter
 * "The Tigers woes continued" -- "Tigers" needs an apostrophe after the "s" since it is possessive: "The Tigers' woes continued"
 * "continued on the following drive, losing 9 yards, going three and out and punting the ball back to the Tide" -- this sentence starts in past tense ("continued") and switches to present ("losing", "going", etc.)
 * "drive the length of the field with T.J. Yeldon scoring on a 1-yard rush" -- Yeldon's first name is given in the previous subsection so you don't need to repeat "T. J."
 * "at the half" -- for ease of comprehension for non-football fans, I would recommend switching this to "at halftime" with a piped link to Half-time

Third quarter
 * "downing the punt at the Alabama 1-yard line. After starting on their own 1-yard line" -- same info is given twice
 * My only major issue with this is that it is significantly shorter than the fourth quarter section (and the subsection for the final 32 seconds); I know it's a little harder to stretch a quarter with only a few drives in it, but were there any major plays in Q3 other than Uzomah's TD?

Fourth quarter
 * "two incomplete passes, and a false start penalty" -- comma is not needed
 * I could be wrong but I don't think "read option" needs a hyphen
 * "but was stuffed" -- a little jargon-y, I would be more literal about the fact that he did not gain the required yardage
 * "Despite it being a short field goal attempt" -- reader does not know what "it" means until they keep reading; I would introduce the idea of a FG attempt before you say that it would have been a short one but Saban didn't want to try it
 * "Yeldon was stuffed" -- same as above
 * "following a sack" -- link Quarterback sack
 * "two possession lead" -- "two-possession lead"
 * "Alabama went 3 and out" -- "three-and-out" is spelled out and hyphenated in the first quarter section
 * "before driving to the Alabama 39-yard line in six plays" -- this is worded a touch awkwardly, I would go with "and drove to the..."

Final 0:32
 * "before crossing the line of scrimmage" -- line of scrimmage is linked twice in this section so this instance can be unlinked
 * "Rather than take a knee and go to overtime" -- Quarterback kneel and Overtime (sports) should both be linked
 * "but before the kick, Auburn took a timeout" -- I would add, for context, "...Auburn took a timeout in an attempt to ice the kicker"
 * "Malzahn then put defensive back Chris Davis" -- Davis is mentioned earlier in this paragraph (pushing Yeldon out of bounds) so link (and maybe mention of his position) should be moved there
 * "With Alabama's field goal unit being made up mostly of" -- fix tense to say "Since Alabama's field goal unit was made up..."
 * "the speedy Davis" -- "speedy" is used in an earlier sentence, maybe eliminate this word

That's what I could find - overall very well-written, nice job! PCN02WPS ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 02:21, 6 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @PCN02WPS Thanks for the suggestions. I have made the changes suggested with the exception of expanding the third quarter which I will do soon. Newtothisedit (talk) 12:59, 7 April 2023 (UTC)