Talk:Kid Miracleman

Thoughts

 * 1) Notability - IGN, Amazing Heroes and Wizard seemed to have ticked this box but I shall Google some more; seeing as a less-referenced version of the page has sat here years fairly confident any AfD will not come to anything.
 * 2) On Miracleman v Marvelman I personally think current identity, worldwide notability and the critical standing of the revival are unignorable factors. While the character's original name is naturally of great importance it's inescapable that the renamed version has a higher international profile in any quantifiable metric, and we're rapidly approaching a tipping point where it's been Miracleman longer than Marvelman to boot. Miracleman's done everything Marvelman's done, whereas Marvelman hasn't done everything Miracleman's done, if that makes sense. Thus for, say, character articles the current ongoing versions should be primary IMO, as long as we include the right clarifications.
 * 3) Related... in the comics the characters use their "superhero" and "civilian" names interchangeably for quite sensible reasons. However for histories and synopsises I feel it aids clarity to refer to the superhuman forms by the former and the unaltered forms by the latter. This could be due to my faults as a writer as I can't find a way to put across the state of affairs presented in fiction without bogging down and getting tangential, which I do enough of anyway (cite:everythingihavedoneonwikipedia).
 * 4) However any of this crap some places use about "pantheon" being a team name should be discouraged with extreme prejudice.
 * 5) Mary Marvel being "turned into" KM - this seems to have spread from Moore's potted history in the second Eclipse issue (and Gifford in Family #2, during which he also explicitly notes his interaction with Anglo was dropping off pages, which suggests he wouldn't have been party to character creation) but I'm not sure how it really maps out. KM first appears around 18 months in, by which point when Gower Street Studio were surely no longer mining Captain Marvel for plots. KM has a consistently different dynamic with the rest of the family (I.e. he's interchangeable with MM and YM, with his USP being he's a foot shorter and has commas for eyes). IIRC Mary had turned up already in Miller reprints and if KM was a straight proxy surely he would have immediately turned up rather than not showing up a year or whatever later?Beyond being the third member of a comic book team with Marvel Family in their name there doesn't seem to be much crossover. I do think Mary is worth a passing mention, if nothing else to avoid this getting added, but unless an interview with Anglo or a contemporary saying "yeah, I totally based Johnny on Mary Marvel" turns up I feel making the connection is an over simplification.
 * 6) Is there a story-in-progress template we can tag to the end of the Silver Age summary? I've intentionally kept SA summary material to a bare minimum for the time being. It does feel like the story is heading in a direction that might question if we're seeing the "real" Young Miracleman so taking too much of what's been published at incomplete face value could lead to a lot of backtracking, especially as we seem to be talking only a couple of months before we get the answers.BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 11:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Notability links
Bit Wikipedia'd out at the moment but some links to work in for notability: - BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 12:26, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * https://ew.com/movies/2019/05/26/brightburn-miracleman-comic/ Entertainment Weekly
 * https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/when-were-superheroes-grim-and-gritty/ Los Angeles Review of Books
 * https://comicbook.com/news/breaking-bad-10-great-comic-book-heel-turns/ Comicbook.com
 * https://www.cbr.com/miracleman-darkest-turn-kid-miracleman-rampage-marvel/ https://www.cbr.com/bad-superman-dc-comics-marvel-prime/ Comic Book Resources
 * https://www.gamesradar.com/cult-classic-miracleman-returns-to-print-at-marvel-this-summer/ GamesRadar+
 * https://thequietus.com/articles/15586-alan-moore-miracleman The Quietus