Talk:Kid Rock/Archive 4

Lets Work Out A Compromise And End This Once And For All
Quite frankly, I haven't been pleased lately with myself, or my actions as of late: So lets work out a comprise concerning Kid Rock's genre. Since much of his music is Hip Hop with rock/metal elements, why don't we just put "Rap Rock/Rap Core," or Just Hip Hop and Heavy Metal as his genres (albeit with sources)? Then create a section or add to his article a history of his genres (with sources). It'll cut down this stupid edit war (which I admit I was a part of), and will heal some unnecessary friction between Myself, Rock Genre, and Sugar Bear.

I apologize to Sugar Bear for my personal attacks and demeanor over the past week or so. I should've been more civil and far less abrasive.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 05:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say the way we have it right now is fine, besides he hasn't performed any rapcore in his whole career. RG (talk) 15:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC)~
 * Yeah, I thought "Rapcore" was the same as "Rap-Rock." Turns out it's a subgenre. I meant just "Rap-Rock."--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think that heavy metal should be listed, being that Kid Rock does not perform traditional heavy metal. Hip hop and rap rock are fine. (Sugar Bear (talk) 18:34, 31 March 2010 (UTC))
 * Yeah, I think that's what it should be: "Hip Hop, and Rap Rock." I'll try to get the page unlocked.--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 23:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you are in agreement I will unprotect it. J04n(talk page) 23:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * How is there is consensus here? Baz agreed with me that the sources were legit. Greg said that heavy than should be put in the box(changing his original vote on the matter), Bear disagreed with that. J04n said just hip hop, no one was happy with that. And Backtable agreed with Bear despite the sources, so in total: 2 votes nu metal, 2 votes no, and 2 votes that no one agree with. Here's my suggestion, why don't we just leave the genre spot in the infobox blank or link it to a Styles and influences section like in Evanescene's article. RG (talk) 03:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I got a better idea, lets keep "Rap Rock" (his main genre) in the info-box as the only genre (to avoid future edit wars), then create a section (or add to what's already in the article) about ALL of his other genres, influences, and styles. We'll mention Nu Metal in the section--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 06:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Not better at all in my firm opinion. The only way to avoid any conflict whatsoever is to just have it blanked. Then the problem will be solved. Styles can be discussed in the article. RG (talk) 02:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * So put a "see genre section" link where the genre part is? I don't have a problem with that--that way we can beef up his article with sourced music genre information!--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 03:05, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that is very encyclopedic. Ignore RG. He's just angry because nu metal isn't sourced well enough to be included in the Infobox. (Sugar Bear (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC))


 * An anonymous editor has reverted back to the old revision. Before I restore the agreed-upon consensus, I wanted to comment on the sources used: MTV uses Allmusic's biography. Essentially, Greg used the same source twice. Also, the article on Kid Rock's website does not refer to his music as "rap rock". I don't think he noticed this when he added the source. (Sugar Bear (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2010 (UTC))
 * "Ignore RG. He's just angry because nu metal isn't sourced well enough to be included in the Infobox" Wow, what a friendly statement. "Don't listen to him, his opinion means nothing." Seriously can you at least attempt to be nice? And I believe with Greg's new support of linking the infobox to a Style section we have a solid consensus. RG (talk) 23:28, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Two users does not a consensus make. (Sugar Bear (talk) 00:35, 6 April 2010 (UTC))

I don't want to start another comment war, or anything: But maybe we should get several "neutral" users here to vote?--Greg D. Barnes (talk) 18:36, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see why we can't just add nu metal to whichever genres we had before this argument came up. Sure, Kid Rock's music contains guitar solos and isn't as aggressive lyrically (for the most part) as a lot of other nu metal bands, but he certainly has enough elements to list it. In my opinion, Kid Rock isn't nu metal, but if sources are calling him nu metal, it needs to be added.


 * Alternatively, why is simply 'rock, hip hop, country' not sufficient for the infobox? Surely if people think Kid Rock is nu metal, they can appreciate that this is covered by listing rock and hip hop? It seems like perhaps some users are pushing POV a bit too much - neutrality is the aim of the infobox.


 * If I had to give my opinion, I'd vote for the latter. James25402 (talk) 18:29, 11 April 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should add genres based on a couple of sources rather than the overall number of sources. The generalization of rock and hip hop is fine, but, if you want my opinion, I don't think that there are enough sources identifying Kid Rock as a country singer rather than a rock musician that sometimes incorporates elements of country, which is not the same thing as being a country musician (Hank Williams is a country musician, Kid Rock is not). Listing only rap rock is fine, and listing rock and hip hop are fine. Both cover the entirety of Kid Rock's music career. (Sugar Bear (talk) 21:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC))