Talk:Kid Rock/Archive 5

Nu metal
There's basically one source calling Kid Rock's music "nu metal". Anyone agree that it should be removed? 166.225.182.72 (talk) 01:11, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

birthday discrepency
The first line of the article states his birthday is in 1972. The summary on the right says 1965. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.118.237.206 (talk) 19:53, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Birthplace
In the article itself, it says he was born in Michigan. On the side table w/ info, it says he was born in Tennessee. 76.28.202.17 (talk) 21:59, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

vandalism?
the opening paragraph has the line because he is unfortunately the worst artist... i havent read the whole article but it is obviously a case of vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.64.84 (talk) 08:42, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Fictious family member listed
The part about his siblings was discombobulated as it previously appeared, "He has two older siblings: brother William "Billy" Ritchie; and sister Carol Ritchie. His younger sister Jill Ritchie is an actress, and a younger brother Charles Champion Ritchie twice removed", especially the last bit about supposed brother Charles being twice removed. A cousin can be "twice removed" but a brother? It seems like that was added as a joke particularly since I could find plenty of info online about his other siblings but "Charles" is mentioned nowhere. He doesn't appear to even exist.

http://www.purevolume.com/kidrock which self-describes as "Excerpted and Adapted from Rolling Stone Cover Story Kid Rock's Cure For Heartbreak By Austin Scaggs Issue 1037, October 18, 2007" contained the following information that Kid Rock only has three siblings Billy, Carol and Jill. There is no Charles: "Bobby was the third of four children: older sister Carol handles Rocks books; his straight-laced younger sister, Jill, is an actress (she played Charisma in Herbie Fully Loaded) who lives in Los Angeles; Rocks older brother, Billy, who lost his right leg at age six in a tractor accident, has struggled with drug addictions and is now studying to be a yoga instructor."

For the above reasons I removed Charles and restructured the sentences pertaining to Rock's siblings.Slinkybinky (talk) 09:31, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 68.195.72.59, 17 June 2011
I just want to change his VMA Nominations for "Bawitdaba" from 2000 to 1999

68.195.72.59 (talk) 01:18, 17 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Avic ennasis  @ 17:15, 16 Sivan 5771 / 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 50.133.23.36, 23 June 2011
In the millenium tour, (In Detroit) Creed was not there. In was Seven Dust, Metallica and Ted Nuggent. I was there. Check the palace of auburn hills line up.

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Edit request
His genre of music is rap, rock and maybe country rock. Southern rock and country rock; rap rock & rap metal are pretty much the same. A casual person without much knowledge on the subject may be misled to thinking that he has made considerable in like 6 genres. If there is so much debate on his genre, why not make a separate section for that and put his main 2 (or 3) genres in the infobox — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanyewest1123 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Right-wing beliefs
This guy is a big-time Republican right-winger who seems to think that we should attack the rest of the world, which is pretty extraordinary for a rocker, and yet there is no mention made here. Does the studio have a full-time protector erasing any such mentions? Actually it's ironic that he has an "activism" section. Factfindingmission (talk) 08:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Can you site a source where he says, "I wanna bomb AFRICAAAA! and i wanna bomb ASIAAAA!"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.66.197.131 (talk) 02:16, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Charitable?
I heard on the news this morning that he gave $1M to the Detroit Symphony. Can someone verify? If so, please add to his page. 138.162.128.53 (talk) 14:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Needs Cleaning
I can't believe how bloated this thing is. Most of it isn't notable. Not every detail of his life has to be added. Dkspartan1 (talk) 01:06, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Kid Rock's Daughter
User:Mythic Writerlord added the reference to | Kid Rock's Daughter. I'm not sure as to the reliability of Mediacourant.nl, and also not sure of the exact translation. It doesn't appear that she claims Kid Rock is the father, it seems to me that she is mentioning her current boyfriend. Furthermore, I was unable to find an english reference to his supposed daughter. Can we get some input on this? Thanks. Greedo 8  18:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Activism
The section on Activism has no sources. I suggest the removal of that section and placing the comment about performing for troops in another area. Donating to charity isn't considered activism either. Greedo 8  16:06, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Political Views
The following in Section 5.4 is wildly biased: "After a white man gunned down nine black church members in Charleston,SC the confederate flag came under attack. The shooter draped himself in the rebel flag before the shooting.The NAN and NAACP went after anyone assiociated with the flag.In July of 2015 Al Sharpton's NAN Chapter of Detroit went after Kid Rock.Stating either he stop using and denounce the flag.Kid Rock responded to Fox News in an email to Megyn Kelly.She read his response out loud which said "Please tell the people that are protesting me, that the can kiss my ass". The NAN demanded Chevrolet drop sponsorship on Rock's 2015 Cheap Date tour or they would boycott.After a meeting they refused has they were told Kid Rock hasn't used the flag since 2011 when he won The Great Expectation Award from the Detroit chapter of the NAACP. They also stated the only flag on his tour that was used was the American flag."

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Education
There should be an explanation of his educational background. I´ve read he does not have a high school diploma but can´t confirm. These are important facts people should know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.196.204.112 (talk) 16:10, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Robert "Kid Rock" Ritchie (R) for Senate
Robert "Kid Rock" Ritchie for Senate is NOT a legitimate Senate Campaign. He never filed with FEC.GOV Source: (Michelle) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:77C8:3070:4F9:E12F:A7D1:6740 (talk) 00:21, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I Love Kid Rock Because Terry was having so much trauma in her family of 7 + 1 Life Only Kid Rock Could give her courage to Love Jesus Like She Always Did but got stripped from me
I Love Jesus, too, Kid Rock. I am sorry for placing you top of my list in facebook and Twitter. Mr. President should probably have someone put me away for being as simple minded as me Terry, I cry out to my Lord incessantly I cannot stop weeping my family is tired of me. For loving Jesus? What is so wrong about this. It is the Satanic Culture of this World. People are Jealous Jesus gives me power in his healing to do what? To still love them above myself. I can't stop loving the only God in my life who loves me for me. I am so hurt...weeping Thank you for giving me your life as I see it it is very fitting for Jesus purpose. I am just an old lady who doesn't feel wanted by any body on this earth. crying...I can't even remember the simple password I registered with wiki as I don't even care. this is just a pc to buy meds was my real reason I had to retire to buy some meds life saving meds for my Dan. Who care about mom? Who care about gramma Terry. I am just someone's old rag. But Jesus still loves his little lamb sister terry. This I know is my Father God's Jesus way for me. I don't need anything or anyone. I have slept outside in the 40 acres we own behind us just to feel Jesus presense and feel safe form the stinging pain of my own peoples feelings for me... I slept last February out in the hay field with 4 snorting deer. Jesus loves me and sees there is no comfort for me on Earth anymore. And this is just not right to deny His Holy Spirit. Who cares about me anyway. At least Jesus God loves me. That's Jesus is all I need God is all I need. I will not deny or cave in. Teresa L. Haintel facebook Teresa (terry) Haintel TWITTER too July 30, 1957 Born Crawfordsville, Indiana only lived there a year, Delaware OHIO 2 - 8, O'Fallon 8-13, Ferguson MO 13-23 1 girl born 23-25 San Francisco son at age 25, 27 moved back to St. Louis, Wellsville, MO old house moved to Callaway County after being hired by the Callaway Nuclear. Why am I doing this because Jesus want Terry to have a Voice and Purpose for Him to his dying people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JesusTerry1LoveGod (talk • contribs) 11:24, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Changes to the article
Edits to the article by, I believe have strayed from the template of WP:BLP articles and how they normally look. Some of the content changes, such as the edits to the lede, as well as removing a lot of the controversies associated with the article's subject seem detrimental.


 * The "Career" section should not be so expansive for an artist who hasn't provided much cultural influence.
 * The "Biography" section should be changed to "Early Life" and cover his upbringing and be separate from current personal affairs or career moves.
 * The "Personal Life" section should stay intact and list all noteworthy events regarding the subject that have been reported on, such as his legal troubles, and political views.

I, however largely went with most of the edits and kept them intact, but due to their incomplete nature of them I attempted to condense the excessive "Career" section by combining stray sentences and removing non-notable statements, along with the other things I mentioned. Some statements were weirdly worded, which I also changed. Looking for input on this. -- Gokunks (Speak to me) 01:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I kept the personal life section after the initial conflict. I also added back a couple poinys I thought were trivial (the sex tape and the Romney campaign theme). The main issue with what to keep as I rewote the article was whether it seemed encyclopedic. I tried to only remove trivia. I did not make any controversial changes to the article. I am trying to keep things civilized here but it is difficult to protect the integrity of the article when people come in and treat it like a fan page and try to include every minute detail of his life. As I researched the subject, I considered articles about performances and collaborations and whether the material was encyclopedic enough or if the source was reluable. I decided against some materjal only backed by PR statements. I don't understand why the lead was written how it was originally so I rewote it to properly summarize the contents and sound less like a PR firm with the mention of the multiatinum sales of Devil Without a Cause. TheRealBoognish (talk) 01:23, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the suggestions:


 * I agree about changing the section name from "Biography" to "early life".
 * The Career section is not too long. Your view of his "influence" is an opinion, and there is no rule that an article has to be shorter or longer based on his "influence". The length was based on the amount of encyclopedic information I could find in research, not opinions about the subject.
 * I restored the "personal life" section. I took out the sub-sections because the linear approach looks better and many of the political activity parts were unsourced. Previous edits removed sourced information about his political views such as the Reason sourced bits on his liberal social views and the citations for his libertarianism. I initially considered not including the information on his political views if it couldn't be written encyclopedically (and therefore fell under trivia) but kept it eventually because it explains why he is categorized as a Republican and a libertarian. TheRealBoognish (talk) 01:44, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Of the unsourced content taken out, the only one that is noticeably not visible was the filmography section which had a tag on it saying it was unsourced. I addef bits on Joe Dirt and Osmosis Jones to the career section because they had significant coverage. I didn't discuss his appearances in Larry the Cable Guy movies because the only sources I could find were press releases. The filmography therefore came across as trivia. TheRealBoognish (talk) 02:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Also, I feel Twisted Brown Trucker not only may need its own article, given the length of this one and unresearched infornation on the band members, but there needs to be sources for the band lineup. So far I only have sources for the 1996-1998 era lineup of the band. TheRealBoognish (talk) 02:53, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I'd like to point out that I did not remove any of his reliably sourced political activities. The Warrior video and comments on Confederate flag, NFL, etc. was moved to his career section, the activities not related to his music career were moved to the personal life section. The Sean Penn video Americans was sourced only to YouTube, and thus not reliably sourced. If you wanted that back in, you should have found a reliable source instead of edit warring. I couldn't find a source outside of YouTube; coverage should be significant, otherwise it's trivia. TheRealBoognish (talk) 03:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

User:R9tgokunks, should the article ever get unlocked, can you please discuss what you want changed in the lead, and what other changes you believe should be made to the article, such as trimming parts in the career section since Twisted Brown Trucker now has its own article? TheRealBoognish (talk) 05:44, 30 January 2018 (UTC)


 * I definetely think "Artistry" should be re-titled to "Musical style and influences," as that is more common on articles. The "personal life" section needs to be moved back to the bottom and re-adding the subsections again. Take all of the controversies out of the career section. That section should only relate to his success or non-success as an artist, as it were. Many of his controversies are not career related and instead out of his personal beliefs, thus why they should go into the "Personal Life" section under a subheading. -- Gokunks (Speak to me) 23:56, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * User:R9tgokunks The stuff about the Confederate flag is related to his stage presence, not his personal beliefs, and the NFL part happened on stage. If you take it out of the career section, it loses context and becomes trivia. The article on Queen (band) has the section explaining their music as "artistry". "Style and influences" doesn't make much sense when it's hard to find reliable sources on his influences. Maybe the header "Career" could be removed? TheRealBoognish (talk) 03:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Also, I tried to remove a lot of the stuff pertaining to "Twisted Brown Trucker." I didn't think it belonged. It was more related to his band and not his solo work. I believe it should only be about ~2 paragraphs about his career pre-success, and the stuff about his band going to that respective article. -- Gokunks (Speak to me) 00:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * User:R9tgokunks the parts about the band could be trimmed since there is a separate article for Twisted Brown Trucker, but the parts specifically about him such as the interactions with other Detroit artists and the animosity towards Insane Clown Posse should not be deleted. Could you clarify which specific paragraphs you believe should be removed so we can discuss them? Also, "pre-success" is misleading, since it's indicated by the sources that his first album Grits Sandwiches for Breakfast had some success--even the ICP book Behind the Paint, written by someone who dislikes Kid Rock's music, says the album was at least moderately successful. TheRealBoognish (talk) 03:04, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Also, User:R9tgokunks, there's not a rule that says a biography has to be based on the subject's "influence", which is subjective, and also I proposed quoting the Cowboys and Indians magazine article which theorizes that Kid Rock was influential on country music. TheRealBoognish (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know enough about that genre, but I wouldn't disagree that he is influence on country music, from what I have hear about modern production. But we need more than one source on things like that. -- Gokunks (Speak to me) 03:26, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

User:R9tgokunks is this worth talking about? Him condemning racist hate groups in concert? http://ew.com/music/2017/09/07/kid-rock-nazis-bigots-kkk-speech/amp/ TheRealBoognish (talk) 05:31, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Influence
The Cowboys & Indians article alleges the rapping style on "Cowboy" having a massive influence on several country singers but I haven't found yet firsthand admission from the artists cited so I left it out. However, maybe it could be noted by saying that the magazine cited these artists as being influenced by Kid Rock, and not saying definitively that they were until reliably sourced firsthand reportings if them saying they were influenced can be cited.

There was an article on rapper MURS saying he'd like to work with Kid Rock that I came across while researching this article. I didn't add it because it was trivial.

WhoSampled also reports a Tech N9ne song as reinterpolating the chorus of Kid Rock's "Forever", but I also saw this as trivial and the source is fan edited, although the edits are approved by a staff. TheRealBoognish (talk) 02:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 30 January 2018
Two editors, including myself and gokuks, agree that the Biography section should be changed to "Early life".

I also suggest the following addition to the "artistry" section:


 * Cowboys & Indians claims that Kid Rock's song "Cowboy" had a major impact on the country music scene; the magazine alleges that artists Jason Aldean and Big & Rich, among others, were influenced by the song's country rap style.

The source is here:

TheRealBoognish (talk) 02:20, 30 January 2018 (UTC) TheRealBoognish (talk) 02:20, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've made the header change since it appears to be non-controversial. I haven't added the addition because it does not appear to have been discussed. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:21, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Peer review of previous revision
User:R9tgokunks, I wanted to go through some of the problems I had with your revision, as follows:


 * Personal life: The splitting of his relationships, legal troubles and politics doesn't feel encyclopedic. It makes it feel like trivia. Like, "here's all the things you might not know about your favorite rock star!" No legitimate biography I've ever read is formatted like this.
 * It's not important to Ritchie's life for readers to know that Anderson miscarried while filming the movie Blond and Blonder. That doesn't provide readers any understanding of Kid Rock. It's relevant to that movie and to Anderson, but here it has no relevance.
 * "The divorce was allegedly over a disagreement of Rock's Detroit residence and Anderson's Los Angeles residence" is unsourced.
 * " It has been suggested that his no-show at the Download Festival 2008 was due to depression over the divorce" - this is cited, but it is speculation. Shouldn't be included. It's kind of like, while writing a biography of Albert Einstein, stating "Einstein MIGHT have been autistic". What evidence is there that Ritchie was depressed? I would have merged it into the career section, but overall it reads as trivia: "Kid Rock was scheduled to perform. He didn't." Doesn't seem encyclopedic.
 * "Other news reports suggested, however, that Kid Rock's outrage during a screening of Borat, in which Anderson cameos, was the divorce motive" -- Again, this is speculation. Shouldn't be included. Not encyclopedic.
 * "On July 6, 2011, Kid Rock appeared on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight show where he said he has no regrets about anything he has done in the past." -- unsourced.
 * The sex tape doesn't need its own section. It's a one-note part of his life, and I moved the part about the lawsuit against the company to the career section.
 * Political beliefs: You deleted sources for Kid Rock being a libertarian. You also deleted a cited statement from Ritchie on him having liberal views on abortion and gay marriage.
 * "As of 2017, Kid Rock has been known to make numerous overtly political speeches at many of his tour dates, particularly making transphobic comments at many occasions." POV statement. Wikipedia should be impartial. I rewrote this to read that his comments were perceived as being transpohobic, and also clarifying that the "speech" was delivered as a rap. But I am still concerned that this is trivial. Will get advice from further peer review.
 * "In 2011, Kid Rock allowed Mitt Romney's presidential campaign to use his song "Born Free" in campaign events. Kid Rock later endorsed Mitt Romney's candidacy and performed on Romney's behalf at campaign events. By May 2012, Kid Rock was still the first of a handful of musicians to endorse Mitt Romney, including Ted Nugent and Lee Greenwood. Kid Rock performed alongside Lynyrd Skynyrd and Trace Adkins at the 2012 Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida. He introduced Romney's running mate, Paul Ryan, at a rally in Michigan in October 2012; Ryan went onstage to "Bawitdaba"." -- contains numerous unsourced statements, and irrelevant commentary. I trimmed this to the most relevant sourced information. For example, what relevancy to Kid Rock specifically does Nugent, Greenwood, Lynyrd Skynyrd and Trace Adkins' endorsements have, or of Ryan coming onstage to 'Bawitdaba'?
 * "as well as former Presidents George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama" -- source cited only says that Kid Rock has met Barack Obama. Does not mention Bushes or Clinton.
 * "In July 2015, Al Sharpton's NAN Chapter of Detroit stated that Kid Rock should stop using and denounce the Confederate battle flag, which had been featured prominently in the Charleston church shooting committed by Dylann Roof. Kid Rock responded to Fox News in an email to Megyn Kelly. She read his response out loud which said "Please tell the people that are protesting me, that they can kiss my ass". The NAN threatened to boycott Chevrolet unless they dropped their sponsorship of Rock's 2015 Cheap Date tour. They eventually refused, while also insisting that the only flag to be used would be the American Flag." -- entirely unsourced, and the issues involved are already discussed with clarity, context and relevancy in the career section.
 * Fake senate announcement already discussed in the career section.
 * "He has previously stated that he is "definitely a Republican on fiscal issues and the military, but I lean to the middle on social issues."" -- source could be added on at the end of the existing better written statement, and the part of him being conservative in regards to the military and asserting that he is a centrist on social issues could be added to the article. But the version I had was overall better written.

Your revision had numerous issues, which led to it being reverted to the better formatted version. TheRealBoognish (talk) 20:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 30 January 2018
Can someone link to Jason Krause when he is first mentioned in regard to Twisted Brown Trucker's lineup? TheRealBoognish (talk) 04:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC) TheRealBoognish (talk) 04:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 30 January 2018
There also needs to be links to Jimmie "Bones" Trombly for keyboardist Jimmy Bones, and Twisted Brown Trucker. TheRealBoognish (talk) 05:40, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:05, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 31 January 2018
The album Early Mornin' Stoned Pimp is referred to "Early Morning", not the actual spelling. Can this be changed to reflect the album cover and article? TheRealBoognish (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Padlock-bronze-open.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:51, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Artistry vs. Musical style
Queen has an Artistry section. Other music biography articles have this section named "Musical style and influences". I've seen no evidence either is preferable.

discuss here. Use reasoning and evidence, not threats. TheRealBoognish (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC) TheRealBoognish (talk) 10:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Musical style is far better, per WP:NPOV and WP:PEACOCK. This is not even slightly difficult. Guy (Help!) 11:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Puffery really wasn't the intention and artistry doesnt inherently mean appraisal, but I'll change it. TheRealBoognish (talk) 11:38, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, but it's a peacock term, musical style is more neutral and reads better for someone whose "artistry" is certainly open to dispute. All good. Guy (Help!) 14:05, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Nu metal
Nu metal keeps getting added and removed and the sources refer to Devil Without a Cause, not Kid Rock in general. And regarding that album, this profile on the era states:
 * Devil Without A Cause, Kid Rock’s breakthrough album, and one that, while not nü-metal, extended the lineage of rap-rock

So Kid Rock is not nu metal. HellbillyWithoutACause (talk) 03:59, 18 December 2018 (UTC)


 * One source is not enough. This article is a summary of all the sources. Binksternet (talk) 07:14, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Name
At what time in his career did Kid Rock adopt the professional moniker? That fact is conspicuously absent from the article. Sławomir Biały (talk) 11:37, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Devil Without a Cause Tour
I have made a Wikipedia page of his debut tour, anyone who wants to help with references please help. NO DELETING THE PAGE. Sławomir Biały (talk) 14:34, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Repetition in the article
There is a section in 'career' related to criticism of Kid Rock's use of the Confederate flag that is repeated word for word in the 'personal life'. 2A02:C7F:E873:B200:ADE1:86C:A0A7:156D (talk) 07:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Bad Reputation
Kid Rock's new album "Bad Reputation" which comes out soon needs an article on here 2607:FEA8:60E3:8300:50FC:214:B3A6:8FB6 (talk) 02:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Heavy Metal? Nu Metal?
I've grown up with classic, hard, and alternative rock music. As I do appreciate the knowledge being shared within this page. I have a complaint. In no way shape or form has kid rock ever created, performed, or written heavy metal or nu metal. In my opinion. If kid rock can be considered heavy/nu metal. Bands like glass casket, amen amarth, or findlands korpiklani can also be considered as classical music. Which makes zero sense and why I made that analogy. Infusing hip hop and country is not in any way "metal". Just because one has an electric guitar doesn't make it metal. If that's the case there are many jazz and Ska bands that could also be placed in the metal category. I'm not saying he's a rhinestone cowboy who grew up in the concrete jungle. What I am saying is his music, which I rather enjoy mind you, is far from any source of metal. I would rather accept MGK's new genre as metal than to fathom the thought of an artist who created their name based off of their own cultural and political views as "metal". Keep in mind. I'm no music officianado,, but I've been around long enough to understand that jazz influenced the creation of what we know as heavy metal. Not rap. Not hip hop. Not country. The solemn lyrics, the fast and slow traditions, the use of fast paced 16ths, as well as the vocal influence. Heavy metal and Nu metal is a lot of things. Kid does not fall into that category in my opinion. 2600:1009:B023:F41C:6C7F:CD5E:2CA9:69A1 (talk) 15:50, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

I agree that Kid Rocks music does not fall into either genre nor has it ever fell into either genre. ISoldier92 (talk) 03:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I removed heavy metal from the lead. There has to be a consensus to remove nu-metal from the infobox. Is there one? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 01:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi protected edit request
In the Early Life, please add that he attended Romeo High School. https://www.dailytribune.com/2011/04/22/kid-rock-visits-romeo-high-school-donates-money/amp/ 2600:100C:A117:1B0E:48AF:CAA7:5D75:C85D (talk) 12:02, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Where exactly in early life? Lightoil (talk) 12:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * done --FMSky (talk) 16:38, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Bud Light
The sources cited allege the video was a response to the spokesperson, while the actual video does not. The video mentions Anheuser-Busch but not the spokesperson. There is significant context missing in the video, and the reporting in the sources cited does not provide evidence backing up the conclusion that the video is a response to the spokesperson. This is an assumption. It's similar to the assumption that the Zachary Levi tweet about Pfizer was an anti-vaccine message even though it was not explicitly stated to be so. It's a theory but it has to be proven by evidence, not merely reporting. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 10:44, 5 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Also, I don't know how people can watch a video that's freely available on Instagram and see that no mention of Mulvaney was made in the video, and still listen to biased legacy media reporting when they tell you something that's not backed up by the video they're reporting on. Objectively, no one really knows what his objection to Anheuser-Busch is, considering that he hasn't explicitly said that it was a criticism of the ad campaign. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 03:13, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I had rewritten the sentence to the more neutral "it was suggested that the video was in response to" and it was reverted. I don't understand the thought process in repeating, without question, claims made in the media without evidence, and refusing to do no investigation and just repeating the claims that haven't been vetted. The reporting on that video is some of the most blatantly biased I've ever seen, thoroughly demonstrating that many media outlets do not do any investigation, and simply report unverified claims often originated by complete randos on social media. Why is no one answering me when I ask how you can repeat an assertion about a living person without the person confirming that it is true? RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 03:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, I object to "it's safe to assume because he's a Republican" being used as a justification for repeating an unverified claim regardless of how many sources report it. That shows blatant bias. RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 03:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, RS coverage and simple inferencing clearly indicate that this was a response towards the Mulvaney advert. Just because he didn't explicitly say it doesn't mean that it cannot be inferred, especially when multiple RS sources interpret it as such (as we look for on this site). Now their are certain issues with this doctrine, but in this case, it's pretty much a forgone conclusion that if the whole Mulvaney situation never occurred, this whole stunt would not exist. Besides, the current wording doesn't even explicitly label it as a hit towards Mulvaney; it describes it more as a criticism of Bud Light and Anheuser-Busch themselves. - Knightsoftheswords281  (Talk-Contribs) 06:07, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Then wouldn't this be speculation since the sources cited did not reach out to Kid Rock directly, rather than jumping to a conclusion that was not researched? He appears to have signed a contract to represent a beer company that has Caitlyn Jenner as a spokesperson. That could have been the underlying motive behind the criticism of Anheuser-Busch and shooting the Bud Light cans, a form of guerilla marketing for a company that is seen as being more friendly to conservatives than Anheuser-Busch.￼ RockabillyRaccoon (talk) 11:17, 26 April 2023 (UTC)