Talk:Kids See Ghosts (album)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Nice4What (talk · contribs) 23:34, 23 September 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm going to start this review and try to finish it by the end of the week, as time permits! Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 23:34, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Initial comments
Compiling these first-day comments in my run through the article. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 00:04, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Replied to all, thanks a ton and can't wait for the rest so the article can pass sometime this week! Hope we can finish this before Jesus is King comes out haha. --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:01, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Going through a second time again. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 19:11, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Lead

 * In the lead, I don't believe the line is gramatically correct.
 * ✅ fine now?
 * I was believing something more like "It was released on June 8, 2018 through GOOD Music and distributed by Def Jam Recordings".
 * Is my recently added sentence about lyrics fine in the lead?
 * Is my recently added sentence about lyrics fine in the lead?

Background and recording

 * Seems that André 3000's contributions are highlighted too heavily. His work on PP&DS and TLOP is unrelated to his production on KSG from what I know.
 * ❌ as it gives background on why he appeared on the album?
 * Hm. Not sure if his features on PP&DS and TLOP are the reasons why he appeared on the album though. Same reason why the section doesn't delve into Yasiin Bey's recording history with both artists, or Pusha T's (beyond Daytona).
 * Caroline Shaw is also a vocalist on "No Mistakes" alongside Wilson and Kid Cudi.
 * ✅ though used two sources as only Tidal mentions her as a producer though Billboard is a RS that mentions the others
 * Find a different source other than that Billboard article (ref 20). That article reflects the initial credits that was missing a lot of contributors. I notice that it doesn't have Aubrey Graham as a songwriter for "Yikes" or Irv Gotti and 7 Aurelius as producers on "Violent Crimes", for example.
 * There's loads of sources which are mixed in accuracy, do you know where I can find a proper one yourself?
 * If you're citing credits and features, I believe the liner notes or Tidal credits would be fine.
 * No need to individually mention Kanye's features on Nasir, Daytona, or K.T.S.E. as it doesn't add any context to the recording of this album. Could be condensed into a one sentence mention that he executive produced, produced, and provided guest vocals for each of these.
 * ❌ as he worked on those albums during the sessions so it is worth noting which songs he was on as it's only one sentence each
 * The article is about Kids See Ghosts though, not the Wyoming Sessions. In my opinion, mentioning each feature is an unnecessary detail and a bit off-topic.
 * Look fine now? --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking better. I would put the information after the sentence "West returned to Wyoming two months later for the recording of then-upcoming albums", since explaining all of West's contributions to the set of five albums may be more useful when introducing them / explaining what the Wyoming Sessions are.
 * Look fine now? --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:50, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Looking better. I would put the information after the sentence "West returned to Wyoming two months later for the recording of then-upcoming albums", since explaining all of West's contributions to the set of five albums may be more useful when introducing them / explaining what the Wyoming Sessions are.

Themes and lyrics

 * Bipolar disorder is first mentioned in the "Themes and lyrics" subsection but there's no mention of West's lyrics on the disorder in Ye or how the disorder was related to his November 2016 hospitalization. I would look into incorporate this to the "Background and recording" section.
 * Marked as done, but do you mind pointing out what you added?
 * "The album's mental health references include more about rising from the state than those on West's previous album Ye.[21]"
 * "The album's mental health references include more about rising from the state than those on West's previous album Ye.[21]"

Release and promotion

 * It's worth mentioning that the Dexter Navy film never materialized.
 * ❌ you are correct but no source mentions this after searching Google hard
 * Tried looking for sources as well and couldn't find anything. I would suggest maybe rephrasing the sentence to indicate that a film was planned.
 * ✅ if that's fine now?
 * Yes.
 * I believe that "Devil's Watchin'" was renamed to "Fire" but I'm not sure. It may not actually be a scrapped track.
 * ❌ searched this and found no result
 * The NME article states that the album was intended to be released through Wicked Awesome, but it doesn't say where they got that information. It could just be speculation based on the fact that it was a Kid Cudi album. I'd try to find another reliable source verifying this, but otherwise removing this info.
 * ✅ after I could only find one source
 * You may want to link to the Sunday Service article of give a brief explanation on what it is and how Cudi participated in the cover of "Reborn".
 * → "a follow up to Kids See Ghosts". There can't be a follow-up to KSG2 if that album doesn't exist yet.
 * ✅ typo haha
 * ✅ typo haha

Artwork and title

 * I would suggest adding commentary/criticism of the album cover if possible to broaden the scope of this subsection. Without this, I don't believe the usage of the full cover art would merit fair use.
 * ✅ thanks for such an amazing idea! Should I add a sentence to the lead reading "The work received praise, with it being noted for the appearance standing out." or something like that as it is called "eye-catching", "spooky" and "creepy"?
 * Are you taking about the lead of the article or the subsection?
 * Article's lead, look good now in there?
 * I would replace "The work" with "The cover art" or something similar so it's not confused for the album itself. Otherwise, good work.
 * ✅ with a slight alteration

Critical reception

 * In the 411Mania review, link to LSD article for those unfamiliar with the drug.

Track listing

 * If the samples are officially included in the liner notes, they don't require external verification.
 * ✅ apart from for ones which are not included

Other

 * Extra redirect garble can be removed from the URL of ref 127
 * No dablinks
 * 38.7% on copyvio
 * 38.7% on copyvio

Review table
Trying to wrap up this review. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 20:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Don't know how to fix 6a but the article can pass 6b now, right? --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:20, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The samples for "Freeee" and "Cudi Montage" need to be trimmed to pass, or else they violate WP:SAMPLE. And yes, I believe the article passes 6b but I would still suggest adding timed text (subtitles) to the audio files. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 21:23, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * How do you add subtitles and also how do you trim files? --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:41, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
 * An external program such as QuickTime Player + VLC would be used to trim the audio files. As for adding timed text, you click on the closed caption ([cc]) button and then "Add subtitles". If choosing the file for "Reborn" as an example, you'll be lead to create the English-language file TimedText:Reborn.ogg.en.srt. It's easy to understand how to add the times properly by basing the file on others (such as TimedText:Charli XCX, Christine and the Queens - Gone.ogg.en.srt, which I recently created for the article Charli (album)). Again, adding timed text doesn't appear to be necessary to pass GA status. Let me know if you need anymore help! Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 21:56, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Created "Reborn" text for a starter. Look alright? Also, I have cropped the files on my computer but how does uploading work with free use or whatever? --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:51, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * The file has to be in .ogg format to overwrite a previous upload. Then, go to the file page (let's take File:Reborn.ogg for example) and go to the "File history". You'll see "Upload a new version of this file" and after that, all should be good to go. Also, the lyrics for "Reborn" look good though some of the timing is a half-second off. 👍 I appreciate the work you've put in to fix the audio files. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 14:12, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Have now overwritten the files for "Freeee" and "Montage", so I beleive this can pass 6a as "Reborn" isn't copyright infringement. I'll add text to the files, does the bit on "Reborn" need fixing as it's slightly out or is that fine? --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:33, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Take out the mention of Cudi's vocals from the "Cudi Montage" caption since he is not heard in the sample. 6a should pass. I'll go through the references tonight and hopefully be able to give an overall assessment. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 17:53, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Will be able to fix the sample texts within a day or two, after tonight if there's no major issues following your assessment could this be placed on hold, logically? --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:27, 25 September 2019 (UTC) Edit: it's past the designated time by quite a bit and you haven't through the refs yet, I'll expect tonight as you said "hopefully." --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:06, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry for taking the extra time, all should be good to go. Congratulations. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ♥ ) 20:23, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
 * It's fine since we've passed this now! Will still add the captions though. --Kyle Peake (talk) 21:25, 28 September 2019 (UTC)