Talk:Kids with Guns

The Revolver
Just an idea, but the cover of Demon Days holds 3 pictures which blatantly reference some of The Beatles covers, for example, the front parodies "Let it Be", and inside we can find similar images to the covers of "Help!" and "Sgt. Pepper". Perhaps this singles cover is a reference to "Revolver"? Just a thought, use it, don't use it....

First track?
The Gorillaz official fansite states that the single is titled "El Mañana" / "Kids With Guns". link. Cbing01 22:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

the wording on the single is listed as Kids With Guns / El Manana

Designer Of The Year exhibition/Noodle connection
The article stated that the exhibition was opened AFTER the video was premiered which was incorrect - the exhibition opened a whole week before the video was shown. The picture shown in the exhibition was the same one as on the single cover so it is unlikely to be a sign of her being alive.

I do think she's alive but that this was not a valid connection.

It fell out of the top 40
But it actually fell to number 57. Worth mentioning? Sweetie Petie 12:01, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Hell hole.
Hey, did anyone notice the "Hell Hole" In the site lately. With blood painty the words "The Fire is coming out the Monkey's Head" Now with a fancy counter. How are they counting it though....

you probably already know but just incase it is counting down to murdocs rebirth on 6/6/06 although the end date listed on the counter is difrent that is the day it ended.

Grammar???
I'm pretty sure that the phrase "El Mañana" is incorrect. "Mañana" is a feminine noun in the Spanish language. The indefinite artice, "El" is masculine. The correct phrase would be "La Mañana". This could be a subject, but is a trivial fact to the song.

--The above unsigned comment made by 68.83.162.78 at 23:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

For one thing, "El" is a definite article, not indefinite. Sorry, I just had to point that out. Probably just a typo. For another thing, "Mañana" is a word that can be both masculine or feminine, with different meanings depending on the gender used. While "La Mañana" would mean "The Morning," "El Mañana" would mean "The Tomorrow." Maybe I'll add that to the page. Bleh, no time now. --myncknm 13:27, 19 May2006 (UTC)

Why would that change the songs name? --Worthlessboy1420 03:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

As Myncknm (HI JOHNATHAN SHI!) said, it can be used both ways. It can be La Mañana or El Mañana, La Mañana meaning The Morning and El Mañana meaning The Tomorrow. So it's correct.

Mañana is spanish for tomorrow (discussion covered above). It cant be a genderized word because its an idea... its like saying uh...uhmm...i dont know but my point stands valid, damn it!!!

enjoy the lyrics...

Summer don't know me no more Eager man, that's all

Summer don't know me He just let me love in myself 'Cause I took you're love from you that Just died, yeah

I saw that day, Lost my mind Lord, I'm fine Maybe in time You'll want to be mine

Don't stop the bird when it comes It's the dawn, you'll see

Money won't get there Ten years passed tonight You'll flee

If you do that, I'll be someone To find you

I saw that day, Lost my mind Lord, I'm fine Maybe in time You'll want to be mine

I saw that day, Lost my mind Lord, I'm fine Maybe in time You'll want to be mine Maybe in time You'll want to be mine Maybe in time You'll want to be mine

correct me if im wrong...

I couldn't help but notice...
The phrase "some fans have suggested" was changed to "But what Albarn probably meant." Is that really a legitimate claim to make? I didn't see the interview myself, but it's pretty bold to make such an ascertive claim to what sounds like it could be a fairly ambiguous statement. Sounds more like an opinion than anything, but I'll let someone who's actually seen it decide.

Frankly, my opinion is that if Albarn's exact words were that she was "killed off" and that she may "come back," that sounds to me like he means like she's been killed off. I hope Noodle's alive as much as the next guy, but most of the arguments I hear about how Albarn meant "she only died in the video" strike me as fans grasping for straws, desperate for hope that she's alive. But that's just my two cents.--Foot Dragoon 11:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

ahem. its called IRONY! they use it all the time!!!

The video
Well, I've managed to locate the company that made the video and I've learned that the video was a mixture of real time, 2d and 3d animation. But does anyone know what tools were used to create the video and if it could be utilised for, say, a webcomic? Would rendering take to long even for just stills? Sorry if this sounds like an ulterior motive, but the island is realy nifty. --80.42.144.56 18:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

My impression is that, that video, short as it was, probably took months for a team of trained experts to create. You can see every blade of grass on the thing, and the wind motion is so realistic! The article on 3D computer graphics says that complex scenes can take up to an hour to render. Estimating 5 minutes a frame at 30 fps, that video would've taken 35000 minutes, or 583.33 hours, which is over 20 days. That's just my estimate. I might be well off, but considering that it was made by a professional team paid by a major record label, I'd not bet on a hobbyist reasonably being able to do something like that. --myncknm 06:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Short little delete
I didn't want to make the summary too long, but I thought it needed to be stated here: there was a comment saying the words "El Manana" do not appear in the song. This is barely needed; most gorillaz songs don't include the title: Clint Eastwood, 19-2000, Dirty Harry, and Feel Good Inc. (well, the song song contains Feel Good and Inc. in seperate instances). As such, i deleted it. I just think it's a bit of a trivial manner, probably better said in the Gorillaz article. Taylor 06:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Mañana
since when has this word been pronounced Munyuna????? its more like Maan or Mon + yahna, def not yuna.

The ñ makes it sound that way, like in El Niño.

Sampling of "Push It"
Kids With Guns has a lot of "push it, push it real push it" in it, and the Gorillaz Unofficial article claims that the lyrics are from the Salt-N-Pepa song of the same name. My question is: did Neneh Cherry simply sing the lyrics from the other song, or is she simply the touring vocalist for that part and that the studio version samples it? Taylor 05:51, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

No one is saying push it. He is saying "is she real?" --Worthlessboy1420 03:55, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. It's Salt-N-Pepa's "Push It". The line is commonly misinterpreted as "Is she real" but she's saying "Push it real". I'm sure that the studio recording samples from the song, but Neneh Cherry actually sang at the live shows.

Ambiguity in video
I've just noticed that when the island crashes in the music video, the smoke is thicker near the top and is irregularly shaped. It resembles a question mark. Could it mean anything? --80.42.145.77 14:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Good Catch! I just looked at the video again and the question mark looks "intentional." It being at the moment of crashdown may represent the following mystery (the fans bickering and debating :D ).

"Louie Louie" and "Kids With Guns"
Does anyone here think that the opening to "Kids With Guns" sounds like the main riff for "Louie Louie?" (Pro X 20 19:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC))

Rewrite of Article
Now we know what Happened to Noodle, the entry needs to be rewritten. Lots of it is in the present tense, talking about past ideas as if they had just happened. I'm gonna neeed some help on this. --Gerkinman TNG 19:37, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Morning, mourning, learn to spell!
"When translated, El Mañana means "The Morning." It is unknown whether morning is being used as the meaning "beginning of a day" or "be sad over something's death." If it is the second meaning, then that could be a clue into Noodle's "death" (see above)."

I've deleted everything after the bolded section, since "being sad over someone's death" is spelt with a 'u' (see mourning). Taylor 01:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In addition to that, even if mourning was spelt morning, the Spanish word "mañana" would still only mean the time of the day.

Noodle in the Background
Where exactly is Noodle in the background? I checked every frame where the island falls down to the rocks and i don't see Noodle (and yes i have been looking carefully). Is she in the wide shot of the land, the close up of it passing the cliff, or when the camera pans up when the island finally crashes? If so, then where is she in the shot?

Media Source?
I was on the google article and it has a box on the talk page saying how it was cited for a media article. In one of the pages on El Manana in "Rise of the Ogre" this very wikipedia article is actually quoted! Can someone add something on this talk page to show it or something?Michael Cook 23:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC) even though it's already in this article, there is a special box for the talk page, does ANYONE know what i'm talking about?Michael Cook 23:49, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

OR?
Yeah, like, the whole article? This needs to be gutted. 65.30.176.176 22:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Tagged the 'Impact' section, no references and a lot which would seem like OR to me...

Mess in the Middle
The paragraph below is found about midway through the article, and it's a grammatical mess. I doubt I have time to work out the kinks, but if nobody else can, then I suppose I can try my hand at it. It's just...bad.

"It turns out that the entire El Mañana conspiracy was calculated specifically to get rid of an enemy of the band: Little Jimmy Manson, a psychotic hippie turned industry exec who was set on sabotaging Gorillaz. The reason is that Jimmy audition for Gorillaz a few years back, but was turned down after Noodle got the job. He have a grugde with Gorillaz ever since. Murdoc saw Jimmy's plan and decided to get rid of Jimmy before it's too late. Murdoc told Jimmy that he has a plan to "help him" to kill off one of the band members so that 1) Gorillaz would end with a bang and 2) Jimmy could start a new band with Murdoc. Noodle was to do the El Manana video with Manson stowed away on the island and then, while the windmill was crashing around them, Jimmy would shoot the guitarist whilst taking the parachute for himself. However, Murdoc turned the tables on Jimmy by not only "forgetting" to leave the weapon aboard the island but by also locking him in the windmill; Jimmy supposedly died within the crash while Noodle parachuted to safety. His statement has followed:"

Thanks 209.91.248.225 22:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

One article
Why is this article about two separate songs, released as a double A-side single, in one article? I mean, take "We Can Work It Out" and "Day Tripper" by The Beatles: released as a double A-side in 1965, but with separate articles. "Kids With Guns" and "El Mañana" should be moved into their own articles. Daisy-berkowitz 15:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll split the pages then, if no one has any objections.Daisy-berkowitz 14:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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Summary Citation
Beefpelican (talk) 04:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In the summary it says that the relation between El Mañana and Feel Good Inc. was intentional. Could somebody cite this please?

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Death of Noodle
This section needs some major rewriting. It has terrible grammar, refers to things not mentioned in the article (like Jimmy's "plan"), talks about things in an in universe context, and provides no references. I would rewrite it but I don't have much knowledge of the Gorillaz backstory.--Phoenix Hacker (talk) 04:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge with Kids with guns
shouldnt this be merged with Kids With Guns since its one single —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakmighty (talk • contribs) 11:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Meaning of the song title "El Mañana"
In spanish "El mañana" doesn't mean "the morning" or "tomorrow".

"El mañana" (masculine noun) means "the future that will come" with a poetic tone.

"La mañana" (feminine noun) means "the morning".

"Mañana" (adverb) means "tomorrow"

http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=ma%C3%B1ana

195.53.125.135 08:53, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Music Video Section
As great as it is, I can't help but feel it's a little long... There's isn't normally that much interpretation on a poem's page... LacsiraxAriscal (talk) 23:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Seperate articles
I hate to be this guy, but these two songs shouldn't share an article. The two tracks may be a double A-side, but they don't depend on each in any sort of way. The songs are not related in rhythm, lyrics, etc. They are two separate songs and if they're both individually notable they should each be able to stand alone. So does anybody oppose a split? Mrmoustache14 (talk) 21:50, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism
Due to targeted vandalism from multiple accounts across a large amount of edits, I've rolled back this article to 01:30, 23 April 2017. Apologies if this reverted any legitimate additions, though going by the edit history I don't believe this to be the case. FlotillaFlotsam (talk) 07:08, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

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Just clearing stuff up
El mañana means the tomorrow. La mañana means the morning. I am a native Spanish speaker, so I know what I'm talking about. I dont know why people think El Mañana means the morning. They definetly just translated mañanaand not el. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lionsleeps23 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Lily- very big Gorillaz fan.
I think the thing this page is missing most is the explanation of the storyboard behind the song/music video. For the page for "Feel Good Inc." there is a plethora of explanation of the story behind it- I feel this should be continued onto the El Mañana page because it is the continuation of the story from the previous track, "Feel Good Inc.". I will be looking into more sources to elaborate on this page.