Talk:Kiesel Guitars

someone please convince me this is more than an adsheet
Really, all that's lacking is a pricelist!!

Or, perhaps, begin by adding some actual references in the "Notable Players" section. Like pointing to an article where Alan Holdsworth actually talks about his Kiesel,

I mean, here's my pivot on the whole "notable players" thing: people give guitars to Billy Gibbons on a regular basis. Got it? So, his personal collection of guitars was like 450 as of 2015. Aside from that, he will happily take a guitar onstage, play it long enough to have verifying photos taken, then either give it back to the owner (as with most people angling for a product endorsement) or sign it and hand it over for some local charity auction. At any given moment, there's a dozen for sale on eBay.

To say that Gibbons is a "notable player" of any particular model past a Les Paul or a Jupiter is a stretch... yet I'm certain there's a hundred luthiers & hobby builders who claim Gibbons endorses them.

Kiesel (or whatever fanboy launched this article) appears to have placed itself in that gaggle.

And unlesss omeone can give me an awfully damned GOOD explanation of how a company founded 2015 can have "past endorsers" who have been FREAKIN DEAD FOR THIRTY YEARS, I'm going to heavily chop (maybe remove) that entire bit of gratuitousness. If you want to save any of it, put in some up-to-date refs that aren't produced by Kiesel or Carvin or from some fanboy site. Weeb Dingle (talk) 07:07, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with some of the artists being removed. Remember this article was originally split from Carvin Corporation, and then trimmed down. However, Allan Holdsworth (as a specific example) is quite clearly still an endorser, with multiple models, and discusses them in interviews like this. -- ferret (talk) 14:23, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've gone ahead and trimmed the "past endorsers" bit, but the rest are current endorsers, most with their own models. -- ferret (talk) 14:34, 10 March 2017 (UTC)