Talk:Kikyo

Proposed move
I think this page should be moved to Kikyo (InuYasha). Not only is "Kikyo" the name of many other fictional characters, but is also a feminene name in Japan. This would removie any confusion. (Animedude 19:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Are there already articles for other character named Kikyou, or for the name 'Kikyo/u'? If so then perhaps the move/name change would be good (althought one minor beef, I dislike seeing Inuyasha with a capital Y in the middle, just my personal preference). But if no other articles exist, then it's not necessary at this point. Roxybudgy 00:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was jsut following the naming convention of other Inu Yasha related articles, they do indeed include the capital "Y" in the middle of the page title. But I can think of several other anime characters with this name, some jsut in suporting roles. Not to mention it is an actual name in Japan. I will try to hunt down all pages with the name, but I jsut think making this article specific to Inu Yasha is a good thuing to do, as a name like "Inu Yasha" is specifc to this show, where as "Kikyo" is not. (21:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Seperate the death and stuff after please
We should have the stuff after her death like the presence in the jewel and possibly the bow seperate. Her death/final momments was just one arc. All this stuff happened after it. What if Kikyou has a ream talk with Kagome or Inu? Would that go under how she died? Well that doesn't make any sense. So why should everything about her after her death be associated in her final momments section?
 * Good idea. I'll do that. Sumhtun 07:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Kagome's bow
Also, the bow Kagome recieved at Mt. Azusa (spelling) may be part of a plan as well. While Hitomiko had Kagme captured, she stated that Kagome had no real power and that the bow is what Naraku was after, thus leading Kagome to think "Kikyou?" to herself (chapter 508). I'd say this should be added since we have the stuff about the pure spot in the jewel on the page.

Edit about the light
We have mention of the light but nowhere does it say what the light does. I added that it repurified Kohaku's partially corrupt shard when Naraku attempted to take it. Then right after that Naraku exclaimed "Kikyou, so that is your trick." That is an important scene and it is involved directly with Kikyou...or at least Naraku, Kagome and Kohaku believe so.


 * I take the deletion as a no. Why oh why was that deleted? If 3 characters think the light involves kikyou, and the light does something important, it should be put on the kikyou's page. There is noone else even hypothesized by any character as having a responcibility in it. Sure we can delete it if we get an answer saying otherwise, but until then....this is an important plot point and Kikyou is the only one that is recognized as being part of it so it should be there. Note: I also deleted the PS parts above this paragraph since they were pointless. Don't worry. I wrote em anyways so noone is getting their ideas removed.(VRaptorX friday 6:14 pm eastern time)

more quotes please
Just nitpicking right now but it seems like for any manga when in explaning things we never see many direct quotes on the page. Can we please have more. Kinda hard to get a really good understanding of the character if it's all in 3rd person and we make one sentence out of 5 chapters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VRaptorX (talk • contribs) 03:43, 2 April 2007 (UTC).

Inside the shikon no tama theory
OK...I keep trying to post the "evidence" supporting this but it keeps getting taken down. Wiki always allows speculation and unproven theories for movies that arn't released yet so why not for this? And this theory has a lot of support from actual words from the characters in the manga.

1) Naraku specifically blames Kikyou for the light in the jewel in chapter 475 2) Kikyou told Naraku during their final confrontation that "when you die, you'll see who really lost." 3) Kikyou said that her soul was purified by Kagome. She was in contact with teh shikon no tama at the same time her soul was suppossibly purified. Put two and two together and it is possible. 4)In chapter 496, Kohaku states that he felt purity coming from teh jewel that "felt like Kikyou-sama."

Seriously people look it up. All of those things mentioned above are true. teh characters did say those things. Verifiability is needed for Wiki right? Well then stop deleting it.

(and please note this is all speculation and may be disproven or proven later on. But Wiki always allows "speculation" parts for movies that are not released so why being so pushy on specualtion of a manga? they are both fictional things. Someone can say anything they want about the Midoriko theory as well.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VRaptorX (talk • contribs) 06:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC).


 * Speculation about unreleased movies qualifies as "buzz", which can be quite significant in popular culture in some cases I guess, but this isn't an unreleased movie. It's a published manga. Speculation about subsequent chapters is limited to a small portion of the fan base and has to do with a very small part of the whole story. There's no point in bringing Ear-Tweak, Makimaki or Freelance manga forum debates in Wikipedia articles.--Boffob 19:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

OK but at least keep the sentences that states that Naraku specifically blames KIKYOU and noone else for the purity in the jewel, Kikyou saying to Naraku, "when you die, you'll see who really won" and Kohaku's recent statement in chapter 496 about the light in teh shikon no tama feeling like Kikyou. (That last one basically gives it away too)


 * As long as you spell it Kikyo as agreed on in Wikipedia...--Boffob 01:08, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

OK...hold up. I'll take out the "u" if hey are still there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VRaptorX (talk • contribs).

No longer a theory. In chapter 499 Kohaku and Kagome confirm that Kikyo is inside teh shikon jewel. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VRaptorX (talk • contribs).
 * Nowhere in chapter 499 did Kagome or Kohaku say Kikyou was in the Shikon no Tama. Kagome said it was Kikyou's light in the jewel, and Kohaku said Kikyou's purity in the shard hurt Naraku, not Kikyou herself. Please stop editing your theory into the article.--Slotedpig 16:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Kohaku stated that the purity came from the jewel, not the shard. He says that just a little bit before Kagome in the same chapter (and in the previous one).

http://makimaki.110mb.com/IY499/03.php OK...look at page 3. Kohaku specifically says that the purifying light flowed INTO his shard, thus meaning the light came from another source. If it flowed out of, then it would be from his shard. The light came from the shikon jewel.


 * The light is still referring to Kikyou's power not her. Its clearer in other translations --Slotedpig 19:20, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * It's quite clear in this one too, it says "Inside of Naraku there's still some of Kikyo's power?".--Boffob 21:33, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

OK....but can we put that under the Naraku part of her character relations part? It just ends with "unable to do so." Having her power inside the jewel is basically the key to stopping Naraku according to Kana. So technically she didn't fail. It's pretty obvious with reading between the lines that she purposly died in order to put the power in the jewel but knowing you guys that won't take it....so at least mention the light being they key so she could get her revenge in a way. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by VRaptorX (talk • contribs).

I should just point out that if we go by standard reincarnation belief, Kagome *is* Kikyo in the same way that the Dali Lama is *always* the Dali Lama. The soul remains the same, it's just the vessel that changes. That they should look different and have different names is irrelevant. Why do people get so hung up on the clay resurrection that they forget this? Even in the story, we learn that Kagome takes just about all but a minuscule portion of the soul back from the "resurrected" Kikyo. So has Kikyo really died? How can a soul be "dead" if it was reincarnated 500 years later? Indeed, how can the soul be dead if only a fraction of it was within the vessle that was destroyed. Then again, this is supposedly a shonen manga so I'm willing to cut the mangaka some slack even if she does have some rather strange notions about Buddhist/Shinto mysticism. --130.127.121.188 20:28, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * you have just confused the heck out of me. Either way, if you noticed the part of Kagome's soul Kikyou held never went back into Kagome so it's gotta be elsewhere; only the soul collectors flew off but that leads to question if they had a collective residental memory/feelings of Kikyou which RT probably hoped noone would think about. But...knowing how Rumiko Takahashi keeps having plot holes...chances are she just decided that Kikyou grew an individual soul of her own. So whatever is in the shikon no tama....likly won't go back into Kagome.

Vandalism
To whomever (64.231.68.33) has erased the "Final moments" section:

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Katsuhagi 20:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way, the IP listed under edit comment was a mistake, my appologies. Katsuhagi 20:30, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment
Guess that answers that... never mind this all... -- EmperorBMA|&#35441;&#12377; 22:38, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Kikyō was much kinder before she was buried in the Pet Sematary. kikyo is nice and kind y would people say shes cold blooded dam u kagome!!!!!!!!

is there a way to add a spoiler tag or hidden tag to the Final Moments section? sum ppl might not want to know the ending. Tieu yeu nu 07:46, 26 October 2006

Kikyou vs Kikyo
Is it "Kikyo" or "Kikyou"?


 * The title is Kikyo. For spelling consistency it will be so in the article.  If you feel that is wrong, you should suggest that the name of the article be changed.  The internal spelling will follow. Harvestdancer 17:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Where can I suggest that? Hairouna 04:51, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I recommend creating a new section in the talk page of the InuYasha article. I will say something, though. There are several ways of translating a name, depending on which branch you use. With the long o the name has at the end, you can translate it as Kikyoh (passport Hepburn), Kikyou (wāpuro rōmaji), Kikyō (Hepburn ō, the correct way). However, note that the revised Hepburn is difficult to use while searching for an article, because there is no way you can remember the Unicode value for the last letter. Kikyo is the closer to the best form Kikyō, w/o having to use a Unicode value. -- ReyBrujo 16:00, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I went through and changed all instances of Kikyo's name in the article (except for the romanization and list of alternate spellings) to the spelling "Kikyo", in accordance with the article's name. -Tacubus 21:35, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Views on Kikyou
I suggest that this sentence "Throughout the series she comes of as a very self centered and selfish character who only acknowledges the existence of her own pain." be deleted, or at least edit the "selfish" part to include reasons why she is considered "selfish throughout the series". Edit: Actually, I'll just delete that sentence for now, if anyone want to put it back for a good reason, feel free to do so. Roxybudgy 05:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm thinking this article needs a serious rewrite. While certainly the core facts are present, there is a lot of bias in the way these facts are presented and the comments addressed to "All you Kikyou haters" need to be removed entirely. I'm tempted to address this in a portion of the article (maybe fan reaction citing common hatred of her, if I can find enough sources to justify it).


 * If anyone has any suggestions, I'd like to hear them.


 * Lanky


 * I agree with you Lanky, the article looked too much like a re-telling of the series in a biased way, so instead of slowly editing it, I'll just revert it and do a bit of editing. Also, the current image seems to be too big, it should be replaced with the image that was there before, I'm not sure how to do that though. It looks like the image has been fixed. Roxybudgy 07:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Shrine Maiden Kikyo
I'm just going to explain the reasons for my edits. First of all, I simplified the first paragraph because I felt that the excessive details were unneccesary. The words 'miko', 'Shikon Jewel' etc are linked to their appropriate articles, so if people wanted more information, it's only a click away. Also, I thought it was misleading to say "Sango's village" because it really isn't her villiage, nor is she the leader or that village.

This article needs consistency, so I'm going to replace 'demon' with 'youkai' because 'youkai' makes more sense than 'demon'. As for the rest of this section, I edited it to make more sense. Roxybudgy 07:39, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

After Resurrection
Kohaku's shard was only purified after he joined up with Kikyou, therefore it is safe to assume that Kikyou is the one who purified the shard. If anyone has evidence that disproves that, say so. Otherwise I will be re-adding a mention of this. Roxybudgy 00:28, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

About the extra paragraphs, I disagree (and will put them inside comment tags until I get some feedback). First of all "it is important to note" because? Kikyou hardly has a reason to smile, and when she does show emotion, it's a natural human reaction (to panic or flinch at pain), so it's hardly and important note.

As for the priest, Kikyou at the believe that Inuyasha was the antagonist and felt it was her duty to make sure he doesn't pose a threat to society. Therefore the priest was interfering with her duty, that coupled with the anger and hatred she felt for Inuyasha at the time, meant that she would show no remorse. Heck, another way of looking at it is that the death of the priest was an accident. Kikyou merely freed herself, and it just happened to result in a sharp object flying towards the priest.

Kikyou adapts to her 'undead' circumstance pretty much straight away, after all, she got in touch with the shinidamachuu ASAP and the moment she learned the truth about Naraku from Kaede (someone she trusts) Kikyou immediately planned Naraku's destruction.

Kikyou does not test Inuyasha's love, she knows that the 'betrayal' and her death killed any chance of a realationship. However, she has on occaision tested Kagome's intent. Roxybudgy 00:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Relationships
The priest that Kikyou 'killed' only met for a few moment, not much of a relationship, but I'll leave it. However, tending to soldiers was something Kikyou had done in her past life, so it's not really a sign of remorse.

"Ultimately, Inuyasha is all Kikyo cares about. She loathes the fact that she can not be with him in life, and wouldn't mind descending to Hell if it meant he would be with her." Wrong, just wrong. If it were true, Kikyou would have secretly killed Kagome long ago and lived happily ever after with Inuyasha. Kikyou accepts the fact that she and Inuyasha will never be together, so her main focus is now on fulfilling her responsibility to destroy Naraku. And the reason Kikyou made that one attempt (keyword: one) to drag Inuyasha to hell was because she thought Inuyasha posed a threat to society (after all, she thought he had stolen the jewel for evil purposes and massacred her village). I will be removing this sentence. Roxybudgy 00:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Too Much Unneccessary EDITING
First of all I think some of you people are biased, that goes to both Kikyo haters and lovers. This article needs to be objective. A lot of the stuff is interpretation and you have to leave it at that.

Kikyo did not purify Kohaku's shard because it was already pure since he's a good person, the jewel remains pure with Kohaku because he's a pure being or are you forgetting the whole changing color depending on the soul thing.

Furthermore, Inuyasha isn't all Kikyo cares about, even if at one time she only gave a damm about him, she has changed a lot due to her interaction with other characters. And yes she has better come to adapt to her undead situation. The different characters she meets have aided her character development. She doesn't adapt right away. The reason she meets and helps different people (all of whom mostly end up dead anyway) is for character development purposes and that's why through them she becomes less enraged.

Furthermore she did kill the preist who WAS trying to save her soul. He was an innocent man

Kikyo is emotional-less and does show emotion of pain or panick when she's being attacked but otherwise remains emotionless because it adds to her mystique. She only shows emotion when its forced on her. When she's being attacked obviously she going to show pain and panick like normal people but otherwise attempts not to show emotion. Think of the time when Kagome interrupted her lets go to Hell spell or the time she was attacked by the Band of 7. She showed emotion only then.

I don't see why the Tsubaki line had to be edited because its the most important quote given by Kikyo in the entire series. Different people can interpret that line differently for Kikyo's character development. It also provides interesting comparison between the dark miko and the light miko.

Why do you think she has given up on trying to be with Inuyasha. Just because she sees focusing her efforts on destroying Naraku, doesn't mean she's given up on him. Remember even before she knew about Naraku, the ressurected Kikyo clinged to life because she wanted Inuyasha.

When she was doing that whole descending to Hell thing, she wanted to take Inuyasha with her there so they could be together forever. If she thought he was a threat to society she could have used her miko powers to kill him when he held her while being unconcious. Remember, she's not omni-benevolent, not right after her ressurection anyway but she does improve through character development as the series goes on.

Please do not re-edit the entire article like you're planning to because that's not fair to the people who contributed to it. I'm willing to help make it as objective as possible but I can't do that if you redo the whole thing. For now I think it looks pretty good as the story is well incorporated and I've added in all the necessary charcters which she meets on her journey. The only thing that needs fixing is adding additional story elements as the manga goes on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noman953 (talk • contribs).


 * I really appreciate your feed back, umm 'Anonymous' (you really should sign your comments). For now, I'm not going to do anything, for there isn't anything horribly wrong that I can see, but I'll be keeping a watch on this. Roxybudgy 06:13, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * This may sound harsh, but the article is wrong in every possible aspect. Right now, it is a fan made page that talks about Kikyo as if she were a living person. If you want to make it an encyclopedia-focused article, please follow the style guide. Of course, the article can stay the way it is, and nobody will complain for now. But someday someone will come here, delete the whole content, and replace it with text following the guides, and from what I see only the Name and Voice actors sections are useful. -- ReyBrujo 11:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I had a look at the style guide that ReyBrujo linked to. It was informative, but I'm still not quite sure what to do to make this into an encyclopedia article. Is there another fictional character article that I could look at as a good example? Roxybudgy 15:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I was given Jabba the Hutt as an example. You can check the Overhaul section at my User page to see the differences between the old versions of some articles I rewrote (that were much like the current Kikyo article) and the new ones (closer to the guidelines). -- ReyBrujo 20:26, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for not giving my name, I'm not that good with wikipedia. With all due respect, I think the article looks fine the way it is. Compared to the other characters of Inuyasha as well as comparison with other anime pages I think this page is very well kept in order. Its not as hard as you think it is. So long as we can make sure that its objective which is the main idea of wikipedia, then I think its ok. Like I said the only thing that needs fixing is adding additional story elements Noman953

Name
I deleted a sentence saying that the Chinese Bellflower is used in funerals. Feel free to add it back in when a reliable source for that staement is found, but I don't think it's neccesary. Wikipedia's own article on the Chinese Bellflower does not mention anything like that. Also, how do you make the text "Chinese Bellflower" link to the related Wikipedia article? That probably would be better. Roxybudgy 03:48, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You can create links by putting double brackets around what you want to link. I went ahead and added in the link for Chinese bellflower. But regarding whether it's used in funerals, I don't know. -Tacubus 21:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Baby eater? Semi protect this, someone.Tourskin 20:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I semi protected it because theres a lot of people out there who hate Kikyo and I am assuming most of them are un registered users. So if you're a registered user for quite some time, you can edit this or remove it if you think the vandalism is over for now.Tourskin 20:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I just read wiki policy, convinced protection not needed.Tourskin 20:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Kagome's missing soul piece
OK....we all know about Kikyou's "trap" in the jewel as Naraku called it. Just speculation but you think this could be the part of their soul? Also...if you look at the dialog, Kikyou purposely did not heal herself to put whatever in the jewel. She purposely died. I think that should be added....except knowing Wiki, it won't happen until it's spoken out loud by 5 different characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.57.184 (talk) 17:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I told you so
hmm...remember that whole "Kikyou's soul/mind/conscienceness in the jewel stuff I kept saying back a while ago? Well in the latest chapter spoilers, take a wild guess what happens. Kohaku's dead body get's revived by KIKYOU and the light surrounding him talks to the group via Kohaku. Hmm...sounds like a soul to me. Anyways, she states decided to revive Kohaku instead of staying inside the jewel to kill Naraku. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.57.184 (talk) 14:02, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * OK...now who's the jerk who keeps erasing it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.57.184 (talk) 18:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The current redirect is inappropriate
I may disappoint InuYasha fans here, but I think the current redirect to the fictional character is inappropriate. Kikyo is nothing more than the Japanese name of the bellflower, Platycodon grandiflorus. I would like to change the redirect so that people can understand what it is. --Shinkansen Fan (talk) 07:33, 28 March 2012 (UTC)