Talk:Killing of Donald Scott

POV tag added
I added a POV tag to the article as it has a number of speculative statements and seems to clearly side against the law enforcement officials in this event without providing any inline citations and only giving three references at the end of the article, all of which appear to be potentially biased. No citations provided from major reliable publications or news outlets. Dugwiki 15:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the villiage voice. The problem is that sources such as the LA times seem to not have this in their archives, but more biased stories remember this case.  I'll also look for the lawusit between the LAPD officer and the Ventura County DA. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 18:28, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I found the copies of the actual reports by the Ventura County DA. These are copies of official government documents.  Can't get more authoritative than that. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 20:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

This man had no marijuana plants on his property and was raided for having marijuana plants. He was shot for wielding a gun on his own premises, which is legal, after hearing his wife's pleas of "Please don't shoot me." Helicopter, canines, and "a high-tech Jet Propulsion Laboratory device for detecting trace amounts of sinsemilla" were dispatched by police officers, and could not find a single shred of marijuana.

There is no basis for objection to the neutrality of this article. This event did occur; a man with no marijuana plants was raided for possession of marijuana plants. He was then subsequently shot while trying to defend his wife, who is yelling "Please don't shoot me." There is no "spin" on this article, facts are stated neutrally and without bias.


 * Anon, As the original author, it would be wrong for me to remove the tags. Get an account of your own if you feel that way so that you can remove dispute tags, while I continue to footnote. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 22:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Jason, I was posting in response to Dugwiki's statement "it has a number of speculative statements and seems to clearly side against the law enforcement officials in this event." I detect no language clearly siding against law enforcement officials in this article. I remember viewing a television news piece on this incident when it happened, and subsequently when the wrongful death trial reached settlement. Every fact from the incident is reported accurately in this incident, including the wife's account. I fail to detect any language "clearly" siding against law enforcement officials. - D_evans45@hotmail.com


 * I'm glad you agree, but don't delete comments when adding comments of your own. Anyway, as I said, get an account.  That way you can remove the NPOV tag yourself.  I'd do it but I'm the article's original author and while I could some would say it is a conflict of interest for me to do so. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 16:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Jason, I'm done with this, I attempted to convey what happened on every news channel in Southern California when this unfortunate event occurred. A claim that this article "clearly sides against law enforcement officials" is preposterous. Go ahead and maintain your opinion, the dispute of neutrality on this article is incorrect.


 * I want everyone viewing this discussion page to know: the fact is an innocent man was shot down for possession of Marijuana plants he did not own; whether you choose to believe this or not, an innocent man was shot to death by DEA agents for possessing illegal plants which he did not own. The sheriff's department subsequently agreed to pay the deceased's family $5 million while still proclaiming no wrongdoing.


 * If your daughter or wife were shot multiple times for a crime they didn't commit, would you be at peace? 2 bullets in the head and 3 in vital organs, watching your loved one bleed to death for a crime they did not commit. If this doesn't seem cruel to you, I hope you witness your daughter or wife bleed to death. Innocent people do not deserve death, nor do they deserve slander in the afterlife. - D_evans45@hotmail.com


 * We're on the same side here. All I'm telling you is two things.


 * Stop deleting comments when you add comments.


 * Get an account so you can remove the NPOV tag. I won't do it due to conflict of interest - I'm the original author.


 * Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 18:33, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

I communicated with anon offline. He was specifically responding to the editor who added the NPOV tag, not to me. I was confused by his deleting of comments. He avered that he won't be editing here anymore, so I don't know if my caution to not delete comments got through. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 16:14, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

NPOV dispute
Ok, this really needs to be settled. What, EXACTLY, is NPOV in this sourced article? It is important to be specific about this since there is an NPOV tag added. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 04:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I guess I agree, I removed the tag. Without any objections (besides sources, which have improved) raised, the editing process is best served by removing the tag. Thomquaid (talk) 21:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * How about how official report is in quotes? This is clearly there in an attempt to minimize one of the few pieces of information in there that tries to actually explain the other side of the story. It's even more blatant than the sentence portraying the report as a blanket denial. This article isn't NPOV, it's "NPOV". Bollinger (talk) 16:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Very well, I removed the quote markes from around the phrase "official report". BTW, the official report by the Ventura County DA is pretty anti-police.  He stopped short of actually pressing charges, but his report was damning.  Try reading the link. Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 00:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Any reference that says "Bradbury" passes WP:RS.


 * Oh, why am I the only person on this page to use indentation?Jason Harvestdancer | Talk to me 00:09, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

More detail needed
As it stands this article is mostly a Coatrack article. Details on his life and his death, such as his obit are needed. Most articles say he was 61 at the time of his death, so I've added a 1930s birth category.-- Auric    talk  23:00, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

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