Talk:Killing of Jordan Neely

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2023
Change: "Penny should have known when Neely became unconscious and released him"

to: "some believe the hold was justified while others do not" 50.206.31.50 (talk) 16:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Shadow311 (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Please describe how we can provide a "consensus". Several news stations interviewees new yorkers with a mix of responses showing that some people believed Penny's actions justified some did not, shall we provide links to dozens of videos with these interviews? 2601:646:4201:6370:C4A1:5BF:32B:5369 (talk) 02:17, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I honestly believe much of this article should be rewritten. It seems quite biased, heavily insinuating the idea that what Daniel Penny was unjust. 98.115.49.65 (talk) 02:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Very much agree. The tone and even the writing style are biased. Please change/edit to be more neutral - especially "should have known." Thanks! 2603:6011:C003:1256:D188:F3CC:F6AC:C762 (talk) 01:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
 * As stated by other posters the language in this article seems very biased. It is important to understand that there are varying opinions of this incident. The langue and content of this article seems to only represent one viewpoint. 71.71.148.123 (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Only one viewpoint is supposed to be represented--that of the reliable sources. If you'd like to present some to back up changes you'd like to see, you are welcome to do so!  Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 19:55, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Why isn't this alleged?
there has been no conviction on this. The United States still holds an innocent until proven guilty legal system. Throughout the entire article it is described as a homicide perpetrated by Daniel penny which has yet to be proven in a court of law.

It seems for accuracy sake this article should refer to this as an alleged homicide and list Daniel penny as the alleged perpetrator. 2601:646:4201:6370:C4A1:5BF:32B:5369 (talk) 02:13, 22 March 2024 (UTC)


 * There is no question that Perry committed homicide--he does not deny that, nor does anyone else. The question is whether it was a criminally culpable homicide.  If it were described as 'murder' or 'manslaughter,' I would agree with you.  But it is not.  There is no need to state as 'alleged' facts that are not in doubt.  Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 02:31, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2024
Please add the following relevant information to the biography of the deceased. From Newsweek "A New York City police spokesperson told Newsweek that Neely's record has 42 prior arrests, dating between 2013 and 2021. They include four for alleged assault, while others involved accusations of transit fraud and criminal trespass. At the time of his death, Neely had one active warrant for an alleged assault in connection with a 2021 incident." Link to source-https://www.newsweek.com/jordan-neely-arrest-record-outrage-grows-subway-death-1798248. Please note that Wikipedia is supposed to be a neutral political source and as the fact of his criminality would be relevant to assessing the likely impact on his behaviour (more criminal behaviour) it should be included in this post. In simple English, the man wasn't a saint, so please stop trying to pretend he was and give people the full information so they can make up their own minds. 86.42.34.204 (talk) 11:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Other potentially relevant sources: CNN, ABC7 NY, New York Daily News, Forbes. Not saying this should or should not be included. Though I'll point out that this has been discussed extensively before. 〜 Askarion   ✉  14:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. This is not a non-controversial change to be made using the Edit Request template. PianoDan (talk) 22:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It doesn’t matter what color each man was. 74.70.83.208 (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2024 (UTC)