Talk:Killing of Mohammad Habali

Removal of the relevant background section
Your removal of completely relevant part of the article is a clear harassment. All the sources used in the background section are supported by the sources directly related to the subject. In fact, those reliable sources have had used the materials you removed as a background material to the death of Habali. You removed "Habali's brother, Alaa, said Mohammed was mentally challenged..." paragraph, showing how so hasty you were at removing the well-sourced section. Btw, soon or late, you'll be responding to the admins regarding your hounding pattern and I warn you against repeating this action. -- M h hossein   talk 17:53, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

As for this edit; No, that "Habali was shot by Isreali soldiers" is a well-established fact grounded on concrete sources (even Israeli sources say he was shot dead by an Israeli soldier). The only controversy is over whether or not Habali was killed in a violent protest. The camera footage, as confirmed by Haaretz and some other sources, shows no violence when the shooting was done. -- M h hossein   talk 20:05, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Moving IDF Statement to background section
User:Mhhossein I dont understand your justification in the edit summary and your moving of the IDF statement to the Background section. Please elaborate and justify this edit. FYI I am objecting this movement of IDF statement to background section. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  10:29, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The material you inserted into the 'event' section was in fact a background to the incident of Habali's death. In other words, groups of Israelis soldiers were carrying out parallel operations in various areas of Tulkarem and their presence was due to the violence does not mean the area where Habali was killed was violent, too. However, your insertion gives the impression that there were violence when he Habali was killed. That said, one may add materials directly related to the death of Habali into the 'event' section. -- M h hossein   talk 10:55, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Mhhossein thanks for the reply, Please see the link
 * IDF has not said that it was different area. IDF statement was clearly a response to the murder charges so claiming that IDF response was for another area and not near Habali's restaurant is blatant WP:OR. IMHO the army statement should be presented as it is with trying to claim that the response was for different area, unless you can find me a statement from the area that clearly and specifically states that the army statement was not covering the area where death occured. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  11:10, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * First, you need to write the whole story, notably the fact that "violence" is only the claim of IDF:
 * Second, see I reliable sources say the IDF soldiers were spread in different areas of the city
 * Third, the IDF's claim was already mentioned in the article. -- M h hossein   talk 11:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * you are not addressing the central point. IDF has stated this in response to the questions of Death. Hence it has to be in the statement section. whatever elaborate claims you have made above does not address this simple fact. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  15:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Third, the IDF's claim was already mentioned in the article. -- M h hossein   talk 11:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
 * you are not addressing the central point. IDF has stated this in response to the questions of Death. Hence it has to be in the statement section. whatever elaborate claims you have made above does not address this simple fact. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  15:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * you are not addressing the central point. IDF has stated this in response to the questions of Death. Hence it has to be in the statement section. whatever elaborate claims you have made above does not address this simple fact. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  15:17, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Shot in the leg
Btselem says Habali was hit in the head and another guy M.H. was hit in the leg. there seem to be some reports that I believe are not true that said Habali was hit twice. Do we have a confirmation here ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  10:46, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no second guy, no where in the source says that there was another man being shot in the leg. M.H. stands for Mohammad Habali. Many other sources, already used, say Habali was shot twice. Please restore your changes. -- M h hossein   talk 11:06, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Mhhossein as you can see above, The quote from btselem clearly refers to them as 2 seperate individuals. did I miss something ? -- D Big X ray ᗙ  11:13, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point, "M.H. was driven to the hospital in another car" means he was another guy. I'll see other sources, too. -- M h hossein   talk 11:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point, "M.H. was driven to the hospital in another car" means he was another guy. I'll see other sources, too. -- M h hossein   talk 11:24, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Mass changes
DBigXray: Thanks for your edits but note that your edits are taking the article into the point the mentally challenged Habali was killed as a result of the violence he was involved in. You've also changed/removed the article sections. Can I ask you to discuss further changes before making them? -- M h hossein   talk 11:23, 3 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I think I have clarified certain attributions that were missing in the article. and added a new section "statement". I dont agree with your claim that my edits are doing what you claim are doing. If you have any specific objections to my edit you can start a thread on it and we can discuss on it and then take normal WP:DR if our disagreements continue. regards.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  11:28, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Notability
An AP (NY reprinted) - source with a few lines on this subject (the rest of the long article being on military investigations in general) does not change the sourcing situation here - there needs to be something more substantial for recreation. Icewhiz (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

POV
Significant problems with fact presentation. One example, the video I watched shows him holding a large club or stick in the air, i.e. not using it as a walking stick, and lagging a group of men moving quickly along a street but Israeli troops are not visible. Very hard to tell what went on from a video.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:52, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I am starting to suspect a COI. I suggest you let the AfD proceed without all of this tendentiousness - slapping templates on the article and bludgeoning the AfD is not getting it done. The right thing will likely happen, and if you do not like the result, do another AfD in a few weeks. Lightburst (talk) 20:02, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Bring RS for your positions, not your own personal opinion on what the video shows. Because actual reliable sources say things that are very much different than your unsourced opinion. Thank you in advance for abiding by WP:V and WP:RS and not asking us to read your personal opinions.  nableezy  - 20:55, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree the sources are cherry picked to promote one sided POV. For example in "Background" section the position of IDF is given in POV terms.Also most of the sources are WP:BIASED yes we can use such sources but we need to counterweight such soures with sources from other side as per WP:NPOV --Shrike (talk) 09:42, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Agree with what? the background is presenting just some statistics, nothing more. Which POV terms do you mean? Do you have sources contesting the figures provided? -- M h hossein   talk 12:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Uh do you have any sources that dispute anything in the article. Yall not liking that there is an article about Israelis killing a Palestinian is cute but not all that important here. Bring sources but kindly leave the unsourced nonsense elsewhere.  nableezy  - 15:27, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Absent any sources provided to substantiate a NPOV claim here I will be removing the template. You dont get to tag an article because your feelings are hurt.  nableezy  - 16:15, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * And done. If you would like to challenge something as POV bring a source showing it is in dispute. Until then please do not disruptively or tendentiously edit this article. Thank you.  nableezy  - 17:04, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I mixed up the sources the correct one is this[ ] which clearly says "Israeli soldiers regularly carry out nightly raids across the West Bank, routinely detaining suspects wanted for low-level terror attacks, illegal weapons possession, and other security related offenses" --[[user:Shrike|Shrike]] (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Better now?  nableezy  - 18:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Good. -- M h hossein   talk 18:13, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Well I was asking Shrike. Shrike, does my edit resolve your concern? Are there others?  nableezy  - 18:07, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 20 December 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Death of Mohammad Habali → Killing of Mohammad Habali – Mohammad Habali was killed by live ammunition fired by Israeli soldiers. Also, per this similar move request.-- M h hossein   talk 06:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Support: died by the hand of another; these cases are handled on Wiki as "Killing of...". --K.e.coffman (talk) 08:20, 27 December 2021 (UTC)