Talk:Killing of William Jefferson

Notable?
Not sure whether this article's subject is notable, appears to be a case of WP:NOTNEWS and/or WP:ONEEVENT? Coolabahapple (talk) 04:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Excuse me, but aren't WP:NOTNEWS and WP:ONEEVENT only valid concerns for individuals that trigger a single brief amount of media attention, and then are forgotten, and never mentioned again? Well, Jefferson's case comes up, again, and again.  Jefferson's case comes up in different contexts.  His murder was over 20 years ago, but new coverage of it came up just last year -- http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e4b_1430343078


 * Consider our general coverage of murders here on the wikipedia. Very few murder cases get covered here.  Toronto, the city I live in, averages about 55 murders a year.  Chicago, a similar sized US city has about ten times as many murders.  We don't need to cover those murders, with very few exceptions, because, from a long view, they are so similar they are adequately covered in the article on murder, or related to murder.  Either someone was killed, a suspect was arrested, charged, convicted; or a suspect was arrested, charged, acquitted, and the case remains unsolved; or no suspect was ever found, and the case remains unsolved.


 * The reasons a murder case may be exceptional:


 * 1) For most murders notable RS don't discuss the case as an archetype of a deeper issue;
 * 2) For most murders notable RS don't discuss exceptional elements -- like cult signs;
 * 3) For most murders there is no extra media coverage due to the involvement of celebrities -- as there were for the murder trials of OJ Simpson or Phil Spector;
 * 4) For most murders there is no International angle;
 * 5) For most murders there is no terrorist angle;


 * Jefferson's murder case is an exceptional one, due to the twenty year on-going coverage of it; due to the International element, an American, said to be employed by the United Nations, murdered while on a UN mission; due to the characterization of the murder as an act of terrorism -- the first act of terrorism in post-independence Bosnia.


 * No offense, but have you ever read the widely used essay WP:Arguments to avoid? The authors of that essay name an argument to avoid "IDONTLIKEIT".  Is it possible that you fell into the trap of suggesting William Jefferson wasn't notable, that this article was an instance of  WP:NOTNEWS and/or WP:ONEEVENT, because you have an unexamined unconscious bias against covering murder victims, and this has blinded you to how his case has exceptional elements and he has had ongoing coverage for decades?


 * I plan to wait a reasonable period of time, and if you no one defends this tag, I'll remove it. Geo Swan (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Geo Swan "unexamined unconscious bias against covering murder victims", huh? please explain how you have come to this conclusion, does my edit history show a pattern of picking out articles about murder victims for notability tagging? Anyway, coming across this article while looking at cat:american librarians i had concerns about its notability, hence the tag; these concerns have not been allayed. ps. your link to "the widely used essay WP:Arguments to avoid actually leads to a disamb page listing a number of essays, maybe you mean WP:IDL, part of Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions? This isn't an afd, rather the notability tag queries whether this subject requires a standalone article or could be merged, redirected or deleted, and alerts other editors to this.Coolabahapple (talk) 14:24, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * , my last paragraph, above, contains a question, not a conclusion. I am disappointed you didn't try to answer my question.  We don't usually cover murders, murderers, murder victims.  But, when RS cover a murder, a murderer, or a murder victim, we may choose to cover them.  I think I countered your initial concerns, WP:NOTNEWS and/or WP:ONEEVENT.  I think the ball lay in your court, to further explain your concern.  You came across the article "while looking at cat:american librarians"?  Okay.  But how does that relate, one way, or another, to Jefferson's notability?  Geo Swan (talk) 00:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * no probs, tag removed. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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