Talk:Killswitch Engage/Archive 1

I deleted something about the Taste Of chaos DVD, Saying that its a group DVD and its not a killswitch engage dvd
I messed Something up on the page, i dont kow what happend but now the page is REALLY wide, Someone Fix?

have changed the location of the Roadrage tour to include UK. if memory serves me correctly they played in the UK with the new line up

Meaning of name: It may have other meanings, but people I know use "kill switch" to mean an device which shuts off machinery in an emergency, e.g. a switch on a boat or jetski that attaches by a cord to the belt and stops the engine if the pilot goes overboard.

-- I added a mention of the name being similar to that of Kill Switch...Click, who preceded Killswitch Engage by about a decade, and noted that the official explanation doesn't do much to allay concerns that they basically ripped off the name of their band from another band.--

Im going to remove all the song titles from the albums. Doesn't add that much and looks really ugly. Its all available on the album link or elsewhere on the net.

Don't know if you realized this, but Kill Switch isn't exactly original, and they said they named it after an X-Files episode the bassist saw... no one has concerns they ripped off anyones name, who have you been speaking to? Also, the only Kill Switch I've heard of came after KSE.Mphudson 16:22, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

What the heck?
What is that "Soon To Take Over The World!" Myspace link doing. Unless it has any relivance to anything Killswitch Engage oriented, it has got to go. And, sadly for the artist who that belongs to, that link has nothing to do with this article or even the band. Therefore, I say unto yee Myspace link, "Be smited, that of infernal nothingness! Begone!" OmniAngel 17:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

As Daylight Dies
Does anyone have any citation for the number of copies sold, because I have noticed over the past few weeks it has been constantly altering  Asics    Talk 18:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This Fire Burns on GH2
Someone made a custom song on Guitar Hero II which is "This Fire Burns" on YouTube. Jay B. 20:22, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh never mind, after I saw that like HALF OF THE ROCKS SONGS IN THE WORLD were made into custom GH songs, drop it. 18:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Main part of the article
I added some subheadings just to split it up and make it easier to read, but I'm not to happy with the titles... someone wanna adjust them? --Nzhamstar 03:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

genre
what condom wrote Thrash Metal further down this page? i suppose mcr are symphonic grindcore then:P on a serious note they are metalcore. Traditional Metal + Hardcore (more screams etc) = Metalcore which combines singing and screaming, slightly harder than traditional heavy metal, and thats exactly what they do :DAdil Ghanty 20:23, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. They have a hardcore (metalcore) sound a lot like later Hatebreed but with more melodic guitar work along the lines of Shadows Fall. glocks out 23:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Please note that I have put Melodic Metalcore as their genre. If you need further overlook on this dilemma, please inform me. RaikiriChidori 19:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Soundwave Festival
It's announced that Killswitch Engage will be playing Soundwave 2008 []  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.168.76.10 (talk) 05:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

logo
why is their logo a .png image when they've released an vector based image? Balthazar (talk) 03:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

GA nomination on hold
Please leave a note on my talk page when you're done with this stuff - cheers, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide 09:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Can the band member's names be wlinked in the infobox image caption?
 * "Formed in 1999 following the disbandment of the bands Overcast and Aftershock" - Aftershock (Aftershock (band)) needs a wlink here
 * "and although the album was not an initial financial success or entered any charts" - Change "or entered any charts" to "and did not chart"
 * "Severson who works as a website developer at Roadrunner Records, handed Killswitch Engage to several Roadrunner Record representatives" - Put a comma after "Severson", before "who"
 * Is there no more information about their first (self titled) album then the fact that they...well...made one? There really isn't much there at the moment :(
 * "and increased the band's exposure and peaking at number 37 on the Top Heatseekers chart" - reword to "and increased the band's exposure, peaking at number 37 on the Top Heatseekers chart"
 * Ref 11 - Can you get a backup for the Amazon ref (just that I've been using them a fair bit recently with mixed results in terms of correctness =/) - IMDB should be OK if the content is the same.
 * "Following the 2003 Ozzfest, drummer Gomes left the band to live with his wife, pursue his band Something of a Silhouette, and was tired of touring." - Reword --> "Following the 2003 Ozzfest, drummer Gomes left the band as he wished to spend more time with his wife, to pursue his band Something of a Silhouette, and because he was tired of touring."
 * For ref 16 you should also be able to access the band/album history (on australian-charts.com, which I've memorised completely by now :P), so you could also use that as a source for the album's entire time on the chart (just so that the ref is more useful for the reader)
 * Ref 17 doesn't actually point to a page specifically about the band/album
 * "Receiving mostly positive reviews, Jon Caramanica of Rolling Stone" - This seems to imply that the Rolling Stone reviewer received mostly positive reviews. Reword to "The album received mostly positive reviews, with Jon Caramanica of Rolling Stone".  Speaking of which, is there a source for this review?
 * Does ref 20 cover the material being cited...?
 * Ref for the Billboard chart position for As Daylight Dies?
 * In ref 23, Stylus Magazine should be wlinked
 * Ref 25 needs publisher/author
 * "peaked at number 13 number 19 on the Mainstream Rock charts" - Um...?
 * "due to back problems from Adam" - Dutkiewicz, not Adam
 * Ref 27 - NME should be wlinked as the publisher
 * "guitarist for Diesel Machine and Halford.Dutkiewicz recovered" - There needs to be a space after the full stop
 * Might wanna mention in the "Current members" section that Dutkiewicz was originally the drummer
 * For the MySpace EL, use the MySpace template

Reviewed version:

Good luck, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide 09:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * A few of these things were taken care following the peer review, i can't link to a specific band on the RIAA database, it has to be searched. Taken care of the others, thanks! M3tal H3ad (talk) 11:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Gah, more metalcruft at GA! :P Passed. &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide 12:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Pete Cortese
I'm removing all mentions of this guy because i can't find any reliable sources saying he was in the band. Please provide a source and i will re-edit the article appropriately. M3tal H3ad (talk) 02:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

(Set This) World ablaze CLEARLY has him as a previous member, he left the band because his wife was having a child. They did a segment on it where they showed footage of him at his last show, + he is interviewed about the band.

JOHNHUMMELL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.228.222.38 (talk) 11:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

2009 album?
WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL 2009? %$#@! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.191.198.164 (talk) 01:59, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Opening line
Do we really think it's necessary to state 'often abbreviated to Killswitch? Yes, of course there will be plenty of journalists and fans that will do this for shorthand, but it would look ridiculous if we added 'Black Sabbath, often abbreviated to Sabbath', or 'Iron Maiden, often abbreviated to Maiden'. Blackmetalbaz (talk) 09:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Not exactly. Official abbreviation seems to be KSE. That's all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Talvimiekka (talk • contribs) 19:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Joel Stroetzel
It says that NME has reported Stroetzel leaving the band...I haven't seen anything anywhere on that. Can someone clarify? I just checked NME, and I'll be damned, but I didn't see that news anywhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Matx33 (talk • contribs) 00:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah no sign of that either. i'm going to go ahead and get rid of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.29.189.207 (talk) 01:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Name ambiguity
I saw that someone claimed that they added content to clarify the distinction between this band and Kill Switch...Click, but I don't see it in the article. Normally I don't think that disambiguation is all that important for band names (e.g., this is "Pink", not "Pink Floyd"!). But in this case I think it should be at least mentioned, because of the similarity of genre and because both bands have made it into the relatively small group of "more well known" category of said genres.

I for one specifically looked up this article to see whether or not the two bands were related!

Blckclbrtn (talk) 05:39, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Jesse Leach - Reasons for departure
"After Leach got married on April 20, 2002 and began touring again he started to become depressed. This started to affect his screaming as he would put too much emotion into the screaming and not enough technique. At his worst Leach would do a show then head back to the bus and go to sleep."

The above quoted from the main article does not reflect at all what was in the sources (footnotes 10 and 11) cited at the end of the paragraph. There is no talk of "depression" and it affecting how much "emotion" was put into the screaming in lieu of technique. In fact, they say that the problem was that he did not have the technique to begin with and could not maintain the quality of his voice consistently on tour due to straining it after 4 continuous days. It's a very different situation than the one described in the main article. Someone with better knowledge of the situation might want to rephrase that part acurately. I hesitate to do it myself because there might actually be sources/consensus that claim what is written there. In that case, those sources should be cited appropriately as the ones offered do not match up. --S.Reemas, August 4th, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.36.56 (talk) 08:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"High Heels For All"
Can anyone actually source the infomation on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Heels_For_All, Because I'm struggling to believe KSE would do anything like 'Ska'.

90.242.195.98 (talk) 18:46, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Something smells fishy about that for me too... and if there is no source and it doesn't look like anyone is going to give a source, why isn't the article a candidate for deletion? First, "High Heels for All" does not sound like a KSE album name. second, Ska is not KSE like. 71.232.34.21 (talk) 00:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Nominated for speedy deletion per hoax vandalism CSD "blatant and obvious hoaxes and misinformation" --Kmaster (talk) 04:29, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Screamo
im such a dumbass

Meh KSE are too heavy to be screamo what do they have in common with emo? (by the way screamo is a sub-genre of emo) Kerrang don't really know band genre as well as people make them out mate like the time they said Queen are punk. Paladin91 21:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


 * To be safe, I think it should just be metalcore (for now).

AKnot 01:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

thrash metal is what they are

the band is official marked as a thrash metal band 'end of story'

By who? They are heavily influenced by 'SwedeCore', (Death metal and HardCore), and then heavily by Thrash Metal. Thrash Metal with Metalcore elements. Not at all Screamo.. But very FashionCore.

How can they be screamo when they have POSITIVE lyrics? James25402 19:37, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

See citation in above section. RaikiriChidori 19:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

They're emocore, officially. 144.131.36.143 (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Wtf there metalcore all the way (Seth4000 (talk) 13:59, 27 March 2009 (UTC)) Seth4000

Christian Metal?
i know that jesse leech was a christian, and he's not in the band anymore, but i was listening to end of heartache a few days ago and some of the lyrics sounded an awful lot like they were about jesus and shit, should we add the CM tag to the article? has the band made any statements (since howard came on board) regarding this? i'd find it hard to believe inthat they're touring with/toured with machine head and lamb of god, but like i said, some of the post leech lyrics still seem to be about christianity. andi don't know howard jones personally so it's not like i can ask him.69.212.156.19 01:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

yes actually in an interview (sorry i cant cite it) done in italy when they were touring over there howard makes the statement that the band has always put "positive" lyrical content in their music. the lyrics from both the End of Heartache and the As Daylight Dies album are far to similar to christian ideals to be considered anything else but christian. i have yet to find a direct statement that says that the band is christian, but i believe this is due to the fact that the band does not practice any particular religion and also drinks which is something that "christian" bands dont do. the albums all talk about the rapture(as daylight dies), being reunited with him, maintaining faith (this fire burns), always being with "him" (jesus/god), the crusifixion (rose of sharyn), and other things like that. sorry this isn't cited info, but im just throwing that stuff out there.

before this section was deleted off the main page of Killswitch Engage i remeber seeing that it said all the members were at some point raised christian. also as a side note, the only two songs i can find that aren't christian really are My Curse (As daylight dies) which is obviously a love song, and Holy Diver, which is a cover from the origonal done by Dio.

no i would even say that My Curse could be talking about the curse of the flesh. i think one of the good things about killswitch is its positive no matter what way you look at it. i cant get enough of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukescham (talk • contribs) 03:09, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

All That Remains
How come All That Remains are on the Associated Acts? --124.187.135.54 03:13, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * well mike produced their album and phil labonte was almost KSE's second vocalist.
 * And I believe Phil did some work on a KSE song as well. Correction, Adam D produced ATR's albums.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:06, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Big four?
"This band is one of the Big Four metalcore bands, along with Bullet for My Valentine, Atreyu, and Avenged Sevenfold."

Just asking cause I haven't heard it, when did this happen? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.36.136 (talk) 08:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Big four? The official "Big Four" in music is the Big Four thrash metal bands which are Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax. If someone is making a Big Four metalcore groups then for one it would have to purely official and second why would these four bands even be in this list?? For one not even Avenged Sevenfold or Atreyu are metalcore bands anymore. • GunMetal Angel  22:33, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Nor are they good anymore.  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:09, 23 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Incorrect! Avenged Sevenfold is awesome! • GunMetal Angel  21:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)


 * If there was a Big Four of Metalcore, then I wouldn't say it consisted of K:SE, BfMV, A7X and Atreyu. I'd say it consisted of (and take note) K:SE, BfMV, Lamb of God, and Trivium. I've come to this conclusion through lots of observation, and whenever I think of metalcore, I think of these four bands, and I imagine a lot of other people do too. So, even if there was a big four (which I highly doubt), the big four listed initially are, quite simply, not the big four, but the big two plus two other bands that used to be metalcore but moved away from the genre and became post-grunge.


 * Responding to Gunmetal Angel, personally I don't think A7X are awesome, per se, but I don't dislike them, either. Then again, why is this pseudo-conversation happening on a talk page? The carefully-considered mock-rant I just made has no bearing or relevance to the article in the slightest. Oh well. --LordNecronus (talk) 20:40, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The "big four" metalcore bands should be Killswitch Engage, All That Remains, Underoath and Bullet for My Valentine, enough said. • GunMetal Angel  22:21, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Melodic Death Metal?
Someone please explain, since when do they play melodeath?

I guess they're not melodic death, but I don't think it's accurate to call them only metalcore. I consider them to have a lot of thrash elements.

Thrash Metal, not scremo to everyone who says they are, they switch between normal singing and screming so they cant be scremo.

plus do ur research peeps they are offcialy a thrash metal band


 * Definitely not a Thrash Metal band. Do they sound like Metallica? They have a sound much like later Hatebreed but with more melodic guitar work like Shadows Fall. That is, they have a traditional metalcore sound with melodic death metal influence. No thrash involved.glocks out 00:02, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


 * They are neither thrash or melodic death. As a matter of fact they are melodic metalcore. I have officialy put that as their genre. So unless you can think of a better genre for them, all I can say is, "Thank you and goodnight." ;) RaikiriChidori 19:26, 6 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I've changed this to Melodic Metal. There's just too many subgenres being invented now, it is metal and it is melodic. That is all there is to it. And just because someone called them 'metalcore' (reference 2), it doesn't make it a valid genre for Killswitch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.45.34 (talk) 00:11, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Certainly has many similarities to melodeath, but its not quite there. thrash metal? youre a fool, they arent thrash at all. thrash is like metallica, megadeth, machine head, anthrax, annihilator, sepultura... kse is totally metalcore, like old a7x, atreyu, bfmv, the devil wears prada, underoath, and such... raikirichidori is completely correct, they are melodic metalcore. they are metalcore with a bit more melody and expansiveness. and the guy who said they cant be screamo... FOOOL! plenty screamo bands sing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.248.150.73 (talk) 00:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

What is with the Genres?
KsE are METALCORE. It is clear as day, if u dnt relise this you are deaf How are they in any way shape or form prog metal? and what is the point of adding melodic metalcore when it directs to the same page as metalcore? can the genre just be left simply as metalcore, its what it is, there is no point in trying to add pointless and disputible genres —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.180.195.171 (talk) 13:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree completely - the two new genres were added yesterday, and I've removed them both. Melodic metalcore describes them very well, but is kind of superfluous: it's a subgenre of metalcore anyway and as you say, redirects to the same place. Progressive metal is just odd - I can't see any sources describing them as such, and just from my own point of view it seems a very strange description of their style. ~ mazca  t 13:31, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

This is getting out of hand, the 'source' for Groove Metal calls them Hardcore, Metal, Metalcore.

Is there any REAL sources for any genre other than Metalcore/Melodic Metalcore for this band? until one is found, I'm removing all other genres.Ducky610 (talk) 03:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Killswitch is primarily a metalcore band, if not one of the first bands to change the metalcore genre into what it is today, along with Darkest Hour. It's kinda like what Cannibal Corpse did to death metal. • GunMetal Angel  22:35, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Melodic metalcore redirects to a section of the metalcore article.. and I had 3 references for that but they were removed by unknown reasons. --Kmaster (talk) 20:16, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't remove them, but it may have been because melodic metalcore is already sourced below. Still wondering why the FAC was closed without consensus.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 23:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Pete Cortese Pt.2
Why was Pete Cortese removed again? Set this world ablaze CLEARLY states that he is a former Killswitch guitarist. Ksefan1122 (talk) 23:47, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please give an approximate time where they stated this?  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 01:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes. The set this world ablaze movie first states Cortese as a member of KSE right before the 2 and a half minute mark. They go into more detail about his time in the band around the 13:45-13:50 mark. Ksefan1122 (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I never noticed that. Readded it, and sorry for reverting your edits.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 22:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Mistakes
One mistake I noticed, that I cannot change, but is definately wrong is under the second play button, the one for "My Curse". It says 2002 rather than 2006 for the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.128.204.91 (talk) 18:34, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Killswitch Engage are MELODIC Metalcore,
In all their albums there is written that they are melodic metalcore, and they really are. I know that this seems like it's a small difference, but it isn't really. They're much more more melodic and softer (still heavy but softer) than example Unearth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AwesomeUsername555 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Big members chart error
I was looking at the members chart for KsE and its missing Howard. I don't know how to work the members chart, so can somebody fix that? Ksefan1122 (talk) 16:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Howard's Return
The article says:

The band were later added as late replacement to 2010's Download Festival in June, after original sub-headliner, Wolfmother decided not to attend as scheduled.[37]  It was the first Killswitch Engage concert to feature their complete line-up (including Jones) since their performance at Taste of Chaos 2009.

I saw Howard with them at Rock on the Range on May 22nd 2010. Was that not the complete line-up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Budman321 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Singles
Someone should start articles on their singles.--Apks94 (talk) 07:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * With what sort of info? Many of KSE's singles aren't very notable, or would have stub pages.   TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 14:48, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What happened to all the pages for their singles (such as "My Last Serenade" and "The End of Heartache")? Apparently they've been deleted. The only page still up is the one for "My Curse". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.234.214 (talk) 10:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

--Killingme (talk) 19:31, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Metalcore?
Killswitch Engage IS NOT metalcore and is most definitely MELODIC METALCORE  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.178.38 (talk) 10:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes they are, you know nothing of this band if you think otherwise. Plus your upercased typing upon the sake of genres just makes you seem like an angry 12-year old who knows nothing of metal. -- GunMetal Angel  17:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

SEVERE Vandalism of Band Members
The band members section has been edited to contain members of various other active metal groups a few times, including such people as the members of Bullet For My Valentine, Sinister Gates, Joey Jordison, and as I have no time to edit it or revert it to a proper status, I encourage somebody else to do this for the integrity of wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.123.121 (talk) 03:48, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What I don't get is to this band and Oceano there was an editor going around and putting "(black)" next to the vocalist's names. I mean that just seems like racism if you honestly think it's notable to do that among one member who is black through the rest who are whites. Jones isn't even 100% black either. - GunMetal Angel  17:41, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Howards Departure.
The band have just said on facebook (and possibly other places) that howard has left

https://www.facebook.com/killswitchengage

81.141.77.84 (talk) 19:40, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Inaccurate data
I thought I'd just like to acknowledge that in the ridiculous charts and expansions on the Killswitch Engage crew, it is misleading in every way.

Apparently, there is now a rhythm guitar and a lead guitar now. When did this happen?? I never knew that Joel sat in the background doing nothing while Adam apparently dances around playing lead guitar. This is a silly misinterpretation of the band and should be rectified.

The reality is that they both play lead and rhythm in correspondence to one another. One doesn't get all the glory and the other sitting in the background.

This needs to be fixed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.208.180.179 (talk) 07:32, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Update the photo
Could someone change the main photo to one with Jesse in the band? The one in place right now is outdated and depicts Howard, who is an ex-band member.TJD2 (talk) 18:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Member Timeline
Nobody is talking about this like they should, so I will. The timeline should be presented as follows. Not wider, (There are not enough member changes to necessitate that), not with different colors (These ones are used around the entire site), and in No different order (Although I am open to moving Pete Cortese down to better show the succession of guitarists.) — DLManiac (talk) 02:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC) Also - I am not familiar enough with the band to talk about the rhythm/ lead thing here, but I do believe it's fair to say that Joel couldn't have been only rhythm guitarist at a time when there was no lead guitarist, so that is probably right. —DLManiac (talk) 02:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

hardcore punk and mathcore
I believe that one of their genre should hardcore punk and alternative metal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jg9443 (talk • contribs) 23:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

I strongly believe that Killswitch engage have hardcore punk and mathcore in there genre--Jg9443 (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I strongly believe that killswitch engage have hardcore punk and mathcore in there genre--Jg9443 (talk) 00:57, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We've gone over this in your numerous sections at Rise Against. Your beliefs, regardless of how strong they are, don't matter. Genres need reliable sources. You should stop trying to add or remove genres without sources or against consensus from other editors. -- ferret (talk) 21:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

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