Talk:Killzone 2/Archive 1

Something Suprising?
In an interview with some guy with Guerrilla Entertainment (Killzone Project), He stated that "You will not be let down" "Our team has been working hard, and the game is shaping up to what the trialer was like in 2003.." You can check it out at www.ps3.ign.com and look for the Ps3 Roundtable Discussion with Jeremy Dunham some other guys. But does this mean somthing? http://media.ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746551/vids_1.html

I added something as a rumor
Because I couldn't find a link to the proof, if anyone can that would be nice, I added:

"A rumor stated that, the trailer was produced on PC with roughly the specs of the PS3. The trailer was a scripted walkthrough of a level running on the PC, not having enough time to fine tune it, they had it running at 5 Frames Per Second, which was later sped up to the 60 frames per second seen in the trailer. Another rumor stated that a developer said that they only had time to tap into about 70% of the power of the PS3, and that the finally product will look the same, or close to what was shown in the trailer"

added this post: 8/4/06


 * I know of this rumor, it's been around since '05 that the vid was made on an alpha kit (probably "Shreck") at 5 fps, then sped up to 60 fps. I first read about it in PSM.--Yewyew 09:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Bias in 4th paragraph?
"Inferior game producers and console manufactures have traditionally advertised higher resolution screen shots then actually available during game play. This move by Sony and Guerrilla Games is surprising considering the previous quality of their games and consoles."

This contains a couple implications- that Killzone 3 is an inferior game (by what standard?) and that the PS3 is an inferior console (presumably to the Xbox 360). These are both opinions and speculation since neither has been released yet. Let readers draw their own conclusions based on the facts (and speculation) presented in the previous paragraphs.

"Some gamers speculate that this could very possibly be the 'last gasp for air' from a dying breed of gaming consoles."

This is hearsay. There are millions of "gamers." What authoritative source speculates this? If there is one, then it should be provided. Otherwise, the statement should be stricken. (Furthermore, what "breed of gaming consoles" is referred to here? The as-yet-unreleased PS3? the entire Playstation line?)

"The suspicious timing of this maneuver comes on the heals of the release of rival Microsoft's Xbox 360 which boasts superior graphics and processing power."

Superior graphics and processing power to what? The PS2? Killzone 3 is being developed for the PS3. By most accounts (which themselves are preliminary, since the PS3 design is not finalized yet) the PS3 will have quantitatively equal or greater graphics and processing power than the Xbox360.

Nevertheless, the characterization of the timing as "suspicious" is unfair.. the trailer was shown at the 2005 E3 convention- a place where you would expect such a trailer to be shown (regardless of its integrity), and about 2 months before the worldwide release of the Xbox360.

--67.51.176.92 03:59, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the 4th paragraph sounds like it was written by a Xbox 360 fan 'jealous' of the PS3... for some reason.


 * Is it just me or that some tends to think that anyone who doesn't like the "PS people" automatically qualifies as the "Xbox people," especially in the eyes of the "PS people." Replace the proper nouns and you'll get an equally strong argument.


 * Well it has to do with the fact that someone who defaces a PS3 page is more likely to be an insecure fan of the Xbox360.


 * You guys(the console community) should really stop bickering about how X console is better than Y or how A game is better than B game. It's just pathetic to see you guys arguing over something like video games.


 * I think a game with the Killzone graphics quality is possible with the PLAYSTATION 3 specs; but it definetely wouldn't be a launch title or even a first-gen one, it would be almost a final title for it.

This is not confirmed
This shouldn't be posted as fact that the next-gen game won't be 2, as it was done by only one site and never confirmed. Also, there hasn't been any word on a PS2 killzone 2, and the PS3 launch is just around the corner.


 * I believe GG has stated that they're working on a PSP Killzone game. --HQ 14:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

"Recent developments"
I removed the following passage:
 * This was before more recent developments proving the footage was infact CG.

There was no support to this claim, any links of reference, or any description whatsoever of the "recent developments" in subject, so I took it out. ShadowMan1od 03:08, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved article to Killzone PS3
Calling it Killzone 3 is a little dubious, so I moved it to Killzone PS3 as a working title. Lengis 18:55, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better if it were like this: Killzone (PS3). -- Tu s  pm (C 20:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
This page is in a very poor state. I removed a MASSIVE paragraph (good lord, it took up an entire page by itself) of "rumoured features", on the basis that it could be massively compressed. Furthermore, nearly none of the rumours were apparently made anywhere but here, making them dubious and unworthy of a mention.

The article still needs a good deal of expansion, which I expect we'll see as we come closer to the release date. In the meantime, I've listed this article for cleanup: its organisation still leaves something to be desired, and I'm aware that my changes are by no means ideal.


 * Edit: forgot to sign this post, so here y'go: RandyWang 12:33, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't get this...
SCEA's Vice President, Jack Tretton, was quoted as saying that the Killzone footage displayed during E3 2005, "is definitely real" and "is real gameplay." But as it turned out, Jack Tretton was actually referring to a previously talked about game, instead of Killzone, called Resistance: Fall of Man (formerly called I-8). However, Jan-Bart Van Beek hinted at the trailer being pre-rendered.[1]

It says that he (Jack Tretton) is talking about Resistance, but clearly they moved on from Resistance and he was talking about Killzone? McDonaldsGuy 20:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Templar in the trailer?
How do we know if that guy's Templar or not? If someone can cite his existence in the trailer, you're more than welcome to leave him in, but I'm removing it. There's also no mention of him in the trailer itself. --DethFromAbove 01:45, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

YouTube
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 17:57, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Differing Framerates?
"The framerate shown in the trailer does not fluctuate as it should in any real time rendering because of the varying complexities of the scene."

Not true - games can be locked at a certain framerate for RTM or quality assurance purposes. For example, a framerate at "around" 60fps would garner differing fps on or near 60 frames per second, so the game can be locked at 30 fps (since the hardware is certainly capable of doing so) to keep the fps consistent with the running scenario.

But don't believe me - it's been done already with one game. Resistance: Fall of Man: http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/2006/11/21/resistance-fall-of-man-roundtable-interview/

It's a fairly old technique - the Halo series on the XBOX also took advantage of this. Many games predating the sixth-generation of console gaming also had locked fps in one form or another. --Sqrfrk 10:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Just adding to discussion, the above disputed statement is not entirely wrong, the graphics seen in Killzone trailer is beyond PS3 amd X360's capability to render at constant 60fps. When graphics are in the range of a console's capability to render at 60 or more fps then it is usually locked at 60(I bet this is the case with XBLA titles) or if most of the time it hovers somewhere above 30 fps, it might be locked to 30 to provide consistent visuals -- Anonymous


 * The graphics in the Killzone trailer is irrelevant - what's in dispute is the fact that the words "as it should" was included in the above statement. This is clearly not the case. --Sqrfrk 06:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

E3 demo confirmation?
PSU has an extract from an interview Gameinformer did with Peter Dille on the possibility of a playable demo at E3. Here ’s the link: http://www.psu.com/node/11214 Not sure if it relevant enough for the page - Sean

Found another screenshot
In the First Screenshot section, there is an ingame picture. I just found a picture that is a little interesting.

http://www.weimage.com/out.php/i6017_killzonefinal.jpg

The picture before is pretty much a zoom-in on the poster seen in this one. The comparison is shown in the link (the one in the article is on the bottom with the better-looking one on top)

Perhaps this should be posted instead?

Feel free to overwrite Image:Killzone 2 - Gameplay.jpg
Now that there's an E3 trailer with gameplay footage, it's a lot more revealing and representative of the game than the really shitty screenshot I uploaded yesterday. Feel free to either upload a new screenshot (without watermarks!) or just upload a new one over the original. - hahnch e n 12:57, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah just saw it. Looked really good too!

Name change to Killzone 2
In the trailer it now says Killzone 2 at the end. I believe this page should be renamed, agree? 71.189.248.93 18:28, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe, but there is still no true name, but the game isn't complete and everything is subject to change. It should stay "Killzone (PS3)" right now. ShinraiTS4 05:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The game's name is Killzone 2, and has been for quite a while. This is a simple matter. Lrrr IV 07:40, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually people just called it Killzone 2 simply because they thought of Killzone: Liberation as a side story, when in fact, it was a direct sequel. Regardless, The name really is Killzone 2 now that the devs have confirmed it. Plus you can see it at the end of a recent E3 07 trailer, so meh. ShinraiTS4 07:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Release Date
That release date was not confirmed, so I removed it. ShinraiTS4 07:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The article still says the release date is February 2008 which is not true. That sony press release reviewjournal article says it will be released in 2008. It does not say Feb 2008. I read another article with one of the developers and they stated it should be released in the Summer of 08. But I can guarantee you Killzone 2 will NOT be out in February of 08. Someone please remove that unconfirmed release date. - Russell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.110.101.211 (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Budget Problems
According to this article on Gamespot, coming from the developers of Killzone 2

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/killzone2/news.html?sid=6162365&mode=all

There are 120 developers working on Killzone 2 and the budget exceeds $21 million (USD). Yet the current version of the wikipedia article states that there are more than 135 developers working on it and the project has a budget exceeding $41 million (USD). There's a source/citation for the information I found and yet no source or citation mentioned for the data given in the article, already making it suspect. Could someone please correct this? 72.49.194.69 08:10, 29 August 2007 (UTC) Joshua

More information
I have some information about killzone 2 but don't know if i should put it in. You Play as a character called Sev who is part of an elite Group of ISA soldiers led by Rico (From Killzone). We know that this Counter-Invasion takes place on Helghan which has a bad atmosphere and apparantley later in the Game the atmosphere takes its toll on on the ISA. (My source is "Playstation Offical Magazine UK issue 10) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.110.221.77 (talk) 11:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I can add to that by saying that Killzone will feature full damage, anyone remember Black on the PS2? Guerilla seemingly are trying to implement that, which is good, anyone think the environments in the original just felt like backdrops, rather than real buildings? I did. Death animations also look rather nifty, again a significant improvement on the first game. I've seen enemies grabbing throats, screaming in agony and continually firing their weapons as they it the ground. The guns are promised to be more powerful, cover more effective, and vehicle sections more regular. All in all, good stuff,and will hopefully silence cynical journalists, as we hoped it would.
 * Sev is the main character, and a member of the faction we see in the E3 07 trailer known as "The Legion". Rico is apparently the leader of this squad. Also, environments won't be 100% destructible (duh) but a majority of it will be completely or partially damaged by players' and enemies' fire. Everything that is back from KZ1 has been expanded upon greatly, and we'll see this when they release a demo to the PlayStation Store. ShinraiTS4 15:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

déjà vu controversy
Why no mention of the recent kerflaffle about touching up images? Was it added in and removed for some reason? Or has there been no discussion on it? clicketyclick yaketyyak 08:58, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

ISA Army, or Marines?
So I am confused, and I thought maybe a Killzone fan could answer me. Do you play as ISA Army soldiers, since it is in fact called the ISA Army, or are you Marines, specifically? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.15.64.119 (talk) 04:32, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

An Army is a general fighting force so yea. Since they weren't specified as Marines that would be the best thing to call them. GraMicE Talk  01:55, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree; in some of the artwork, the special force's uniforms identify them as marines. I heard tell the Legion were referred to as mercenaries, but it may just be the nickname for the group. Knight45 (talk) 06:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

In the first Killzone, templar and his buddies and those guys are regular soldiers, including Rico. If Rico is back and one of the main dudes in the second game, I can only assume they are still soldiers. I think that game art might just be prototype stuff, so they might have written ISA Marine on his uniform just for fun. I haven't scene that say that on the front of the troops in the game footage. Also their arm patches look more army than Marine.24.15.64.119 (talk) 12:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)jake

Just making a correction. Templar and Luger weren't "regular", they had status. Templar was a Captain, I think, and Luger a Spec Ops Assassin. I don't even believe they have Marines incorporated into their Army. The ground soldiers were just that, soldiers. GraMicE Talk  00:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Well the ISA isn't the U.S. military, or any specific national military so they couldn't be marines (even though some futuristic sci-fi games have used the term "marine" like Starcraft and Halo). Rico's Staff Sergeant rank is identical to that of the U.S. Army's rank and not the U.S.M.C.'s. Just a little f.y.i. for the discussion. Feral Mind (talk) 06:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

HD Trailers on GameInvasion?
Hi Everyone,

I didn't want to post anything without writing to the editors first, but I think I have something that can fit into the external links. GameInvasion.net has HD Trailers and screenshots on their site and they are from (not borrowed) Sony/Guerrilla Games. Here is the link to the Killzone 2 profile page: http://gameinvasion.comcast.net/gameinvasion/show/#2125763_killzone_2/profile

I really didn't see anything in HD on the wiki already, so I thought readers may like this. Let me know and I'll make sure the wiki gets updated. Have a great weekend! JPalumbo (talk) 14:57, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I think we can only put official sites up for external links. Such as (these are just examples) www.Sony.com/Killzone or Guerillagames.com. GraMicE Talk  04:44, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Being the editor, you can post (or have someone post) whatever you feel will enhance the Killzone 2 wiki for its readers. I have seen all sorts of sites like GameTrailers and GameSpy on other wiki's under an "External Links" section. So, if you would like me to post this for you, let me know! Have a great one! JPalumbo (talk) 14:12, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to add this from the External Links policy section: if determined by consensus to be valuable, they may be included. So if you feel it is valuable, then it can go up (and that isn't just GameInvasion, that is any site you can deem worthy for the wiki). JPalumbo (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 14:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * There's no consensus that your site is valuable, and I doubt there will be anytime soon.--Atlan (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

WHAT IS THE BETTER GAME
So what game do u people think will be the better game.RESISTANCE 2, KILLZONE 2, OR GEARS OF WAR 2. Find out more info about these games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bootatahpotato (talk • contribs) 02:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

- Dude, I don't think this is the place to have a fanboy war. Chaser3275 (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Re-organized, updated
This is my first time editing Wikipedia, because I really felt this game should have up-to date information. I re-organized some of the article, added new material, and added some images. Chaser3275 (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2008 (UTC)