Talk:Kiln Theatre

Coordinates
I deleted the coordinates, as they were for Knockholt in Kent, miles away from Brent, it wasn't a simple east/west confusion that I've seen before. I don't know the theatre; someone that knows where the theatre is and can figure out the coordinates for it can add coordinates.Carlwev (talk) 14:21, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Nicolas Kent
Up until a moment ago there was only one mention of Kent in this article and that was misspelled. As AD of the Tricycle for nearly 28 years, Kent surely has to get a mention here, and someone who knows more about him and his work than I do ought to write a separate article about him. --Agarpp (talk) 09:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I see that an article for Nicolas Kent has now been created: well done, Agarpp. I've done some tidying up on it and added a link to his own website. Headhitter (talk) 11:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Seemed a ridiculous omission in the context of what he'd achieved at the Tricycle. Your tidy-up looks good! Agarpp (talk) 14:35, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Headhitter (talk) 15:35, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Early history of the 'Trike'
I'm hoping to expand the early history, which I think would be of interest to readers. My credentials are that I lived near the trike for 25 years and was employed there, either full or part time for most of the period 1980-1990, though everything will be 'sourced, perhaps someone else can therafter fill in on the later decades.Pincrete (talk) 00:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I've added some of the early history, including the origin of the name (as I know people often ask about this). I haven't added all sources (which are mostly from The founders Ken Chubb and Shirley Barrie's website & V+A archive), I will do so ASAP.

As regards the change to the 'devastating fire' part. I have to say that I was in the building myself on the morning after the fire, and NONE of the auditorium was burnt at all, however the roof was completely destroyed and the expansion of the iron girders of the roof caused instability to the principal external walls .... there was much more damage caused by firemen's hoses and rain getting in during the ensuing haggling between insurers as to who should pay for the damage! The Tricycle thought it was much simpler to tell everyone that the building had been gutted than explaining all this! This may constitute 'original research' so I've just put a neutral version of the story! Hope that's OK.Pincrete (talk) 18:38, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

African/Black theatre
I have just reverted the general opening description from "African theatre" to "Black theatre", for two reasons, firstly because this is the general term used by both the Trike and in the UK, and is used by many theatre companies themselves .... also because the majority of the Trike's 'black' productions have in fact been Caribbean, with a smattering of African-American and, a very few truly African works, mostly from South Africa (the only exception I think being from Uganda). I think the word black to cover all these is the preferred and clearer term and not in any way offensive or inappropriate.Pincrete (talk) 20:56, 31 May 2013 (UTC) ps the only justification for 'South African works' as a distinct category, is or was that there was a period, late in the apartheid era, that a great deal of political theatre was coming out of South Africa. Some, but by no means all of it was 'black' theatre in the sense of being about black people (in SA) or mainly featuring black performers, writers etc.Pincrete (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Jewish film festival 'boycott'
I've just reverted a sentence on the current contoversy regarding Jewish Film festival, I've done so as the entry was cherry-picked to present a PoV. If I am able, or someone else can present a more rounded picture of the controversy, they are welcome to do so, there seem to be quite a few sources AS WELL as the one used by today's Anon editor.Pincrete (talk) 00:02, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

ps done same on Indhu Rubasingham page (where I am acused of being the Trike and of attempted censorship!), just to make it clear to anon editors, if this subject IS covered on Wikipedia, it should be covered in a neutral, balanced, non-partisan way and certainly NOT 'beefing up' sources (eg the JFF/JLC statement doesn't mention anti-semitism, and the Trike has not 'boycotted Jewish Events' (plural) which one anon editor inserted).Pincrete (talk) 11:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I removed some material that was sourced to a blog. If others feel it its really that notable, it can be discussed here. I came from the BLP board to the directors page and then here. Thank you, --Malerooster (talk) 21:02, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Malerooster, the last edit was mine, to the extent of, having had 3 days of removing other people's edits, (all contentious, partisan, unsourced or inflammatory), this one at least had a framework of source/balance. The 'blog' is actually a reputable periodical and the writer an established journalist, so a RS.


 * I've just left a message on your talk page (we can't go on not meeting like this), saying much the same as here. I think I am going to revert your edit here and add more balanced sources when I am able. I'm also thinking of asking for partial protection of this page and Indhu Rubasingham's (as I'm tired of people using both pages as a platform).Pincrete (talk) 21:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I've just restored most of the 'spectator' material, and renamed the section 'controversy' rather than 'ban' or 'boycott', since attaching a condition to an event (whether I, Nick Cohen, the JFF or anyone finds the condition acceptable), cannot (impartially) be described by Wikipedia as a 'ban'.Pincrete (talk) 23:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I would probably not include this material, but I will not revert you. You might want to mention the author by name since its a blog. Has this really been that widely covered? --Malerooster (talk) 02:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's an unfolding situation, the Spectator material ITSELF has not been widely covered, but the accusations of anti-semitism/politicising of a cultural event have been widely covered (BBC, Guardian, Independent, and other nationals to my knowledge), there have been fairly high-profile supporters on both sides (and there are probably clearer sources, at least on the pro-Tricycle/neutral side). Given this theatre's reputation as 'culturally diverse' and as a cross-cultural meeting place, it would be very serious for the theatre's image if the accusations 'stuck'.


 * I decided to include the 'Spectator', as it is a fairly clear articulation of one side of the argument by a fairly established journalist and therefore preferable to anon editors inserting their own interpretations. At least this morning I haven't had to 'clear up' this page and the director's page, so maybe it's 'blowing over'.Pincrete (talk) 10:44, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh dear spoke too soon! This morning another anon removed the 'controversy' section in its entirety (no reason given). In order that I should be consistent, I have restored and slightly rephrased it (and once again invited 'anons' to argue their case here!).Pincrete (talk) 13:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

The Tricycle and Indhu Rubasingham pages are now semi-protected. I have slightly modified the punctuation and phrasing of the 'Spectator' text as the previous wording (by me!), inadvertently carried the inference that Nick Cohen, was the first, principal or sole accuser (rather than having been left there as a RS articulating one side of the argument as stated above). The Indhu Rubasingham page now contains a single sentence about this controversy, with a link to the Tricycle page. This has been done by me in the hope of confining editing to this page temporarily.Pincrete (talk) 12:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally I reckon the article has rather too much tedious detail on the ins and outs of this dispute; a summary would suffice (and perhaps would be less prone to accusations of pushing a POV). Ben Finn (talk) 08:23, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Intro
I may be quite wrong about this, but I sense the intro about the Tricycle "presenting plays reflecting the cultural diversity of its community" since 1980 is PR spin, somewhat re-writing the history of the theatre; rather, this seems to be a relatively recent focus in order to get Arts Council funding which the theatre lost a few years ago. Ben Finn (talk) 12:08, 1 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Ben Finn, as someone who lived in NW6 in 1981 (and who knew the founders very well), Yes this sort of claim has always been 50% spin, 50% sincere objective. In the 1980's, the 'Trike' was very good at reaching a Caribbean audience, good at reaching a young, local, 'City Limits' audience, good at reaching a local children's audience. But at that time Hampstead Theatre and King's Head etc were more likely to be finding good new Irish writing (at a time when there was a lot), and 'Asian' theatre hardly existed till the late 80's. If you know the area, you will know that 'local' means Kilburn, W.Hampstead, Hampstead, Cricklewood, Harlesden, Willesden, Maida Vale, St. John's Wood, N. Paddington, Q.Park etc. (diverse ?).
 * As a WP editor, I think it reasonable to accept that the description is RS as being how it has been described since its inception. Is that part spin? Yes, but the National Theatre doesn't describe itself/is not described as being 'only for toffs'. ps The Trike also lost AC funding in about 1984, part of 'Glory of the Garden policy' … … it has always walked several tight-ropes keeping diverse funding bodies happy - and finding time to put on plays, which it hopes people will like.Pincrete (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Indeed I lived round the corner (briefly) at one point. I cite the tribunal plays - which as the article says were an important part of the Tricycle's output (not sure there have been any for some years, presumably because they weren't what the Arts Council wanted?!) - as something which had almost nothing to do with the 'cultural diversity' angle. Actually because of this I've modified the intro to include them and make it a bit more balanced. Ben Finn (talk) 08:17, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The tribunal plays were notable during a particular period, (and perhaps 'cos of TV etc. took the Trike's name to a broader audience), there were some 'big' public enquiries in that period. That, rather than AC is probably why they were done/stopped (though I've long since ceased to be an 'insider', so this is a guess).Pincrete (talk) 08:28, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

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Tricycle Theatre renamed Kiln Theatre
The Tricycle Theatre announced this morning that they are renamed Kiln Theatre. Here are a couple of news sources to confirm:

http://www.whatsonstage.com/london-theatre/news/tricycle-kiln-sharon-d-clarke-indhu-white-teeth_46266.html

https://www.thestage.co.uk/news/2018/tricycle-theatre-renamed-kiln-5-5m-revamp/

I've put in a technical request to move the page to Kiln Theatre. I'm also going to go ahead and make some edits to the page to include the name change, and update some information on the capital refurbishment and the work that the theatre has been making during closure (as there has been a Tricycle Theatre co-production in 2018 for instance). — Preceding unsigned comment added by The-bxt (talk • contribs) 09:48, 11 April 2018 (UTC)