Talk:Kim (Korean surname)

History
Someone with IP address 138.162.8.57 consistently vandalizes the origin part of this article. The person keeps adding a text that claims Mongolian origin of the surname. Even if that claim is partially true, it only dates back to the 13th century at the most. The origin of the surname is way older than the 13th-century claim. According to Britannica, we can trace back to 42 CE and chronicles officially record it in 668. Some previous editors blamed Koreans for the vandalism. However, it is not reasonable to think that Korean people deny its origin in Korean kings, which can be backed up by firm historical sources while arguing unsourced 13th-century Mongolian/Chinese origin. Please stop manipulating the history of Korea and its historical origin. The article should be protected from any further unsourced vandalism or manipulation.

DON'T OVER SIMPLIFY KOREAN KIM CLAN CAME FROM CHINA. KOREAN " KIM" CLAN ORIGIN IS IN NORTH KOREA/ MANCHURIA REGIONS. WHICH " MANCHURIA" OR " MANCHURIAN PEOPLE AND CULTURE" WAS NOT PART OF CHINA OR HAN-CHINESE. KOREANS AND MANCHURIANS SHARE ALOTS OF SIMILIARITY BETWEEN THE TWO BECAUSE KOREANS, MONGOLIANS, MANCHURIANS ARE ALL " ALTAIC" TRIBAL PEOPLE. KOREAN LAST NAME " KIM" IS NOT POPULAR NAME WITHIN HAN-CHINESE SURNAMES. IN CHINA " KIM " OR " JIN" IS COMMON AMONG KOREAN-CHINESE, HALF KOREAN-CHINESE, OR MANCHURIANS LIVING IN NORTHEASTERN PART OF NORTH KOREA/ MANCHURIA BORDER.

PLEASE CORRECT THE MISINFORMED INFORMATION. KIM LAST NAME DOES NOT DERIVE FROM CHINA. ( FAR COMPLICATED IT MAY SEEMS NOT THAT SIMPLE ORIGIN FROM CHINA!!!!!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koreankimklan (talk • contribs) 02:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, it does seem like original research as the claim made could not be found in reliable sources. I will delete the section unless sources are given and verified. --DandanxD (talk) 13:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Could we get an explanation of why so many Koreans are called Kim? (And why nearly all the rest are called Pak or Li). Adam 05:29, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * At some point in the dusty or not-so-dusty past, the majority of people (i.e., the peasantry) did not have family names, just as was the case in Europe a few hundred years ago. When families starting taking names, there was a tendency to choose a well-known name of an aristocratic family (since they already had family names, and you could, I guess, strive for illustriousness by association).  Kim/Gim, Pak/Park/Bak, and Lee/Rhee/Yi are all dynastic family names (from various different kingdoms: see Rulers of Korea), and so were popular choices.  Wang, on the other hand, was also a dynastic name (the ruling family of Goryeo had the name), but an episode occurred early in the reign of King Taejo of Joseon in which, in a rage to suppress perceived malevolent influence over the new government by the deposed royal family, Taejo had most Wangs in the country killed; thus, Wang is now not a very common family name.


 * The Wang bit I know for certain; as for the rest, I'm pretty sure I've read this explanation in a book somewhere, but I wouldn't add it to the main article until I'd checked my references. --Sewing 15:57, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)


 * Actually, as it happens, the external link explaining the clan structure that I added to the article also explains why there are so many Kims, Parks, and Lees. --Sewing 16:55, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for that explanation, Sewing. I think some text to that effact ought to be added to the article, because it is always the first question westerners ask about Korean names. Adam 02:46, 13 Mar 2004 (UTC)
 * Agreed. In fact, that might be a better point to base the article off of, as it seems to make a lot of assumptions as it is, despite having been modified a lot.Editfromwithout (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I removed the sentence, "Despite being the most common name in Korea, not all Kims are related to each other, not even in the most remote sense.". How can one be sure that two individuals are not related to each other at all? From a scientific point of view, all humans have a common ancestor (also, most major religions hold this as well&mdash;as far as I know). Is there any evidence that some of these people have no relation whatsoever? &mdash; Knowledge Seeker &#2470; 03:48, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of everyone
Surely a Wikipedia article is not the place to list everyone who shares a common name? I have just cleared up Kim, the disambig page, which was even worse. I suggest removing the list, and tellign readers to search for the full name of the person they want. BrainyBabe 13:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Gimhae, Gyeongju, and Andong
I'm pretty sure the number for the Gimhae Kims (listed at 26,300) is wrong. But before I actually edit the page itself, I wanted some recognition/confirmation of this. Also, a noted member of the Gimhae Kims includes, from what I am told, the first Roman Catholic saint from Korea, St. Andrew Dae-gun Kim. Again, I think we need confirmation, and probably, from what I can tell, a little cleaning up.Ecthelion83 (talk) 04:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Gimhae, Gyeongju, and Andong
Yeah, I think Andong and Gimhae have been mixed up. That paragraph about Andong definitely describes the Gimhae clan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.188.90.211 (talk) 21:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The Word Gyeongju Contains Kim...?
The first paragraph seems to be saying that the hanja "金," normally pronounced geum, is instead pronounced gim when it is used as a surname or when it appears in place names. It then purports to go on to give examples of place names that include that character, and lists "慶州" among them, which is apparently pronounced gyeongju. "Gyeongju" does not seem to contain kim or geum, nor does "慶州" seem to contain "金." Am I missing something? — Modus Ponens (talk) 16:40, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * An anon editor added Gyeongju to the list. Perhaps he was confused about the meaning of the sentence in the introductory paragraph, which is about the pronunciation of 金 as "gim" in place names. It is not about places where Kim clans originated, which include Gyeongju and Gimhae as stated later in the article. I've remove Gyeongju from the sentence-- Joshua Say "hi" to me!What I've done? 16:30, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Rephrase please?
Admittedly English isn't my first language, but I think that "Two clans have been set as the main Andong exist." isn't proper English. At least there must be an easier to understand way to express the thought behind it. 87.156.193.204 (talk) 13:30, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

External links modified
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20060907003534/http://kosis.nso.go.kr:80/cgi-bin/sws_999.cgi?ID=DT_1INOOSB&IDTYPE=3 to http://kosis.nso.go.kr/cgi-bin/sws_999.cgi?ID=DT_1INOOSB&IDTYPE=3

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Removing information
I just want to note that an IP User removed what could have been substantial information from this page: Here. Perhaps, it is for the better. But these changes should be discussed here in Talk Page trying to achieve consensus. You are the experts. Thanks. Historiador (talk) 16:40, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

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semi-protected
I've semi-protected this article due to repeated unjustified, unexplained changes from anonymous editors. --jpgordon&#x1d122;&#x1d106; &#x1D110;&#x1d107; 20:06, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2017
Noteable people: Kim Tae-hyung Kimtaehyunglover (talk) 16:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  JTP (talk • contribs) 19:09, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Someone with IP address 138.162.8.57 consistently vandalizes the origin part of this article. The person keeps adding a text that claims Mongolian origin of the surname. Even if that claim is partially true, it only dates back to the 13th century at the most. The origin of the surname is way older than the 13th-century claim. According to Britannica, we can trace back to 42 CE and chronicles officially record it in 668. Some previous editors blamed Koreans for the vandalism. However, it is not reasonable to think that Korean people deny its origin in Korean kings, which can be backed up by firm historical sources while arguing unsourced 13th-century Mongolian/Chinese origin. Please stop manipulating the history of Korea and its historical origin. The article should be protected from any further unsourced vandalism or manipulation It's semi-protected right now, but if you see the previous activities of the person with ip address 138.162.8.57 and others, there has been persistent efforts to vandalize this article. The person came back to add this unhistorical claim after a temporal protection was lifted. Please consider more permanent and effective means to protect it from this person or a group of people that have anti-Korean agenda. After all, the article refers to the "Korean Surname" rather than "Kim as a Chinese surname."

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2018
j 207.99.246.76 (talk) 20:23, 9 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 20:40, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2018
In the Infobox surname, please remove:


 * | pronunciation = Kim, Gim (.f gimantane)

(which is unclear whether the pronunciation is supposed to be "Kim" as in "Kimberly" or "Gym" as in "Gymnasium", and the Internet has never heard of the word "gimantane") and replace with:


 * | pronunciation =

A source for the IPA pronunciation: Of course not everyone can read IPA in general, but these particular IPA symbols are pretty intuitive, and the template generates a link to Help:IPA/Korean for anyone who's still confused. Thanks 59.149.124.29 (talk) 02:24, 17 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Yes check.svg Done, thank you. Gulumeemee (talk) 09:36, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2018
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Kim Jae-hwan, participated in Produce 101 Season 2 and member of South Korean boy band Wanna One

Dubudubuu (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  18:11, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

I wanna delete 'equivalent' in the 'jin' sentence in see also in Kim (Korean surname). not only 'kim', other korean surnames document too.
Hello, I am Joseph Seo. I see Korean surnames in English Wikipedia for interests. But, some documents of korean surname is weird for me. honestly confusing. the reason why I confuse is the Chinese surname is in korean surname documents. We, Koreans used the hanja before the 15th century, chinese character for korean surname to write. But Today, Koreans do not use hanja to write in most cases. Koreans use hangul. But I feel confusing in 'see also'. Because I never thought Kim and Park are equivalent to chinese surnames, 'Jin' and "Pu'. Well, the meaning is equal. But the pronunciation sound is clearly different. it means Word is different too in korean from chinese. So Chinese surnames and Korean surnames are not equivalent for me as I think 'equivalent'. and the documents of korean surnames feel different for me. Feels like some korean surnames include Chinese surnames. so I d like to standardize the documents of korean surnames in my way(Anyway, it it personal request). The way is All of korean surnames are not equivalent in chinese surnames. like Yun-That is correct document for me. 'The Korean surname Yun or Youn has no relations with the Doãn surname of Vietnam or Yin of China.' Most of Korean surnames have no relation in chinese surnames. We have own surname, not equivalent chinese surname. Choi-I prefer it too. Just add the chinese surname with same chinese character in the document. Id like to edit some sentences in some documents of Korean surname. Seo-This include a personal thing to me. Seo is absolutely not related to chinese surname. it is unfair to write 'related' to use the same chinese character. and the pronunciation is different too. I d like to delete the sentence 'For the related Chinese surname, see Xú.' Kim- In 'See Also', Jin, the equivalent Chinese surname. Can you delete 'equivalent' in this sentence? Park- In 'See Also', Pu, the equivalent Chinese surname. Can you delete 'equivalent' in this sentence?

We used Chinese characters to write korean pronunciation before. and the pronunciation is different from the Chinese mandarin language. We have own writing system, 'hangul'. and the word is different from the Chinese language. So I request to delete 'equivalent' or 'related' chinese surname in see also or the upper sentence in the documents of korean surnames.


 * They're related to the Chinese surnames. Even if they weren't, you still use the Chinese character 金 and it means "gold" just like in Chinese. You seem to have a general problem that Chinese characters are used at all. Hanja is an integral part of the Korean languages, and many words are of Chinese origin. --82.207.237.142 (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)