Talk:Kim Campbell/Archive 1

Popularly elected
What's it mean that "she was not popularly elected"? How did she get to be PM other than by being elected?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.203.205.194 (talk) 07:18, 31 July 2004 (UTC)


 * Strictly speaking, PM is an appointed position, not elected, but who gets appointed is usually strongly influenced by parliamentary elections.


 * (1) Mulroney announced his intention to resign as PM and as leader of the PCs
 * (2) The PCs elected Campbell as new leader of the PCs
 * (3) Mulroney resigned as PM
 * (4) Campbell, as leader of the party with a majority in the House of Commons, was appointed PM.
 * (5) After a few months, Parliament was dissolved and new elections were held.
 * (6) The Liberals won a majority in the new Parliament
 * (7) Campbell resigned as PM
 * (8) Chrétien, as leader of the party with a majority in the House of Commons, was appointed PM.
 * --Indefatigable 16:05, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Nude
Wonder if her posing nude in the 90's is relevant? Krupo 05:28, Sep 3, 2004 (UTC)


 * "Posing nude" is a bit strong. Here is the image.  (Copyright info: © Barbara Woodley/Labatt Breweries of Canada/National Archives of Canada Source: Woodley, Barbara. Portraits: Canadian Women in Focus. Toronto: Doubleday Canada, c1992. Image 64.) --Doradus 14:55, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC)

Cabinet ministers
Did Paul Martin really appoint 77 cabinet ministers? I'm almost sure that's wrong. Is it supposed to be 37? May 5, 2005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.91.50.49 (talk) 18:28, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

It looks like it's 39 with Martin included, or 38 appointees: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/martin_paul/cabinet2004.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flying fish (talk • contribs) 20:09, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

"An election is no time to discuss serious issues."
In as much as that's how her comment is remembered by the Canadian public, it's not what she actually said. See here. Bearcat 02:15, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

G7 vs g8?

 * Did Margret Thatcher ever sit on the G8? At the time of her leaving office, was it not still the G7? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.115.47 (talk) 18:50, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Hershey Felder
Is she actually in a legal marraige to Hershey Felder, or are the just commonlaw ? Dowew 04:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Avril
Is her legal name still Avril or that was just her birth name? Did she legally change her name?--Sonjaaa 17:07, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Her legal name is still Avril, but no one has actually called her that since she was a teenager. I would assume for example her Law degree states "Avril Campbell", but other legal documents, like signing into the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, she uses A. Kim Campbell .  For a more recent example Charles Strahl signs legal documents as "Chuck", including the Privy Council .  She also used "Kim" when writting that play with Hershey Felder. Even her offical bio at the Club of Madrid uses "Kim".   So, to sum it up, Avril is still her name, but she doesn't use it on anything. Dowew 22:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Senators ?
Did Kim Campbell get around to appointing any senators ? User:Dowew

No. Brian Mulroney filled all existing vacancies before leaving office on 25 June 1993.

According to the Senate website, Campbell holds the distiction of being the only PM (including the current one) to have not appointed any senators. --Victoriagirl 19:51, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Rape
Does not adequately explain her part in revision of the rape law or what this means. More detail? --Daniel C. Boyer 23:46, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Wasnt the David Milgaard case big news and Kim Campbell being a cause for it?If so then I think there should be more on her and the case like Daniel C. Boyer mentioned.Hope. 22:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)Hope.

abortion
i know she passed some abortion law in 1991 that the senate did not approve. Maybe this should be mentioned in the article because i don't have the specifics of it, it is pretty significant because in canada the senate is more of a traditional part of government who is realy just suppose to rubber stamp laws passed in the house of commons — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.108.138.142 (talk) 17:44, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Moved from article
I removed this from the last paragraph of the article:
 * Campbell's other legacy is less flattering, though largely not her fault. Campbell was one of the notable modern cases of the "cult of popular personality" in Canadian politics.  Like other past and future political leaders, she demonstrated how perilously short the shelf life is of politicians deemed "dynamic and charismatic" by the press and media before being elected leader.  Other notable cases include John Turner, Stockwell Day and Peter MacKay.  She rose to the top on the strength of her personality and fell just as soon as she stopped being a novelty and started to actually govern.

"'Cult of popular personality'" suggests a phrase in use; I'd never heard it, and the only web hit is from this article, and nothing from Usenet. I think this falls on the wrong side of the line for original research. Further, Campbell fell not so much when she "started to actually govern" as during an election campaign she called quickly to capitalize on her popularity. And Peter MacKay isn't a very good example of the build-up-knock-down phenomenon the passage is trying to describe; he was built up years ago as a presentable young Tory of enough promise and that's about how he's seen today.

All that said, there is certainly something here that could be written into the article, so I'm leaving it here for consideration... Samaritan 00:00, 6 May 2005 (UTC)


 * In the extreme there is the cult of personality. While considering an explanation of why Sarah Palin could not happen in Canada, the memory of Kim Campbell's political career arose. The comments above show too that sometimes party workers would rather have a battle of personalities than of issues. Campbell's federal and international experience could not be questioned like Palin's is. The account of the 1993 election shows that much depends on what gaffs get magnified and stick. And they're both conservatives.Rgdboer (talk) 00:02, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

First or Third Female PM in North America
At first we say:
 * She is the only woman to have held the office of Prime Minister in Canada, and only the third (after Ertha Pascal-Trouillot in Haiti and Violeta Chamorro in Nicaragua) to lead a national government in North America.

But then we say:
 * In 2004, she was included in the list of 50 most important political leaders in history in the Almanac of World History compiled by the National Geographic Society. She was cited for her status as the only woman head of government of a North American country to date

These statements are inconsistent. Are different definitions of "North America" being used? JackofOz 10:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. Wouldn't Nicaragua be considered to be in Central America ? No Guru 16:34, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * We say North America includes Central America. Apparently National Geographic are using a more restricted definition, limiting North America to USA and Canada.  Something needs to be said about this - not sure what, though. JackofOz 20:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Additional comment: Flora MacDonald was Acting Prime Minister on occassion, c. 1987-88 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.187.67 (talk) 05:41, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Free image needed, since existing image to be deleted
Image:Kim Campbell.jpg will probably be deleted soon. So, we need to find a new free image, to take it's place. Please see Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Library and Archives Canada non-PD images for the discussion, which effects many Canadian photographs. --Rob (talk) 22:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Totally ridiculous. Image deleted, apparently, nearly two years ago, and no image has been found yet? The "replaceable fair use" rules are totally absurd. john k (talk) 16:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Any particular reason her photograph from http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Compilations/FederalGovernment/PrimeMinisters/Gallery.aspx cannot be used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.148.247.167 (talk) 04:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Cleanup tags
I added some tags because parts of this article need desperate Wikification, copy-editing, and citing (a whole lot of it reads like an editorial, some quite POV, and is a bit "iffy" in terms of wiki-bio rules, especially in a political context). See especially everything from section entitled Prime Ministership downwards. Though it may not necessarily be the best way to instruct, I'd advise people working on this article to look at any earlier US presidential articles and try and bring this article up to their standards of formatting, style, and referencing. They have been quite well monitored by experienced editors. I do not have much knowledge on this subject in particular (i.e., Kim Campbell), so I can't offer to improve this article too much, but I will work on it as I get time. 66.183.69.201 (talk) 06:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

"Fuck off"
People, we do not need to censor Campbell's use of the word in the Family section (though it really doesn't fit in the Family section). WP:NOT says Wikipedia is not censored; this isn't kindergarten! 24.66.190.107 (talk) 18:19, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

headshot
I noticed the picture of Campbell changing often lately. I like this current picture (Kim_Campbell_head_shot.jpg) and hope it stays. NorthernThunder (talk) 07:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Coat of Arms
Sorry, had some difficulty inserting Kim Campbell's coat of arms. I think I've done it correctly now. Cheers! A1 Aardvark (talk) 09:57, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Firsts
Was she the fist prime minister not to be re-elected? This would be as notable as the others if it were true 86.40.208.206 (talk) 12:22, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course not, Charles Tupper wasn't. John Turner wasn't. Joe Clark wasn't(and he was acually elected once!) Not only that, Arthur Meighen wasn't reelected TWICE!Ericl (talk) 03:18, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

35 or 75?
Under the section "Prime Ministership" it says that she cut the number of cabinet ministers from 35. Under the section "Legacy" it says that she cut the number of cabinet minsters from 75. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freesodas (talk • contribs) 01:34, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Religion
Would there be any strong objections if I removed the Anglican tag from Campbell? She's expressed opinions on the subject that are consisten with being lapsed or not involved in a religion. Since we don't list other notables who are lapsed (James Joyce for one) in the religion of their birth, I think it would be wise to remove the tag. Whether to have it in the infobox or not is not as important. Homagetocatalonia 15:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Historically, the PM's faith has been important. Its not so much any more, but an example being Abbot became Prime Minister because the other candidate was a Catholic.  Also people like to point out that Tupper was the first Catholic PM (I am going from memory here so I might be wrong), there has also been points of issue regarding political issues like same-sex marraige when the Pope urged Canadian Catholic politicians that they had a moral duty to vote against it, and Paul Martin was a practicing Catholic.  As for the lapsed tag, as we do not have a source to verify this (I know Campbell went to a religous boarding school when she was a kid from watching a documentary about her and she was seen in 2000 praying in the schools church if that is any indication).  Also, there has been political issue taken with the fact that Stephen Harper (and his predecessors as leader of the Aliance ie Stockwell Day) were fundamentalists Christians.  Dowew 17:00, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm fully in favour of listing the PM's faith. The problem, as I see it, is that Campbell does not have the faith that we listed and hasn't expressed any other belief systems around which we could create a tag. http://www.adherents.com/gov/adh_pm.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_Prime_Ministers_by_religious_affiliation are what first inspired me to put in the lapsed tag. However, I know that these sources are not absolute, so any verification or contrast from other sources would be welcome. Homagetocatalonia 19:09, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why list it then? Just as the saying "if the shoe fits" applies sometimes, equally important is "if the simplistic label doesn't apply, then please don't apply it" also is meaningful. Anyway, we prefer to keep our religion and politics separate here in Canada, thank you very much. Garth of the Forest (talk) 22:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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soft history
I can't help but think that this account is quite soft on Kim Campbell, as if it wasn't really her fault that she lost the election...Does anyone else remember her as the smarmy, fluffed-up politician that I do? Somehow it seemed all too fitting for her to have ended up in Hollywood.

-- agreed that controversy was part of her reign, and so should be part of this page. References to the "nude" picture should stay in. *Also*, there should be mention of her repeated public statements claiming that she in fact had her doctorate when she had not completed the program. Not a fan nor a detractor, but wiki is about accuracy, no?

She admitted, while in office I recall, that she had not paid back her Canada student loans. Anyone know if she has done so as of 2006?

-- I think the account is too soft on the Conservatives for losing. As I recall, the Conservatives were reeling from the problems left by Mulroney especially GST replacing MST. I remember repeated complaints about Campbell being an out of touch autocrat, who was appointed because the Conservatives knew they were sure to lose and wanted to signal their female friendliness. As such, Campbell was also unable to unite the party. The line about Conservatives being confident about maintaining a majority seems completely untrue, and seems to throw Campbell under the bus as the reason for losing the election. 67.21.158.2 (talk) 13:50, 30 August 2019 (UTC)